"Robert" wrote in message
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>
>On May 25, 2024, Andrew W wrote
>(in article <v2u2sg$342cs$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> "Robert" wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.2C02BE31001C856B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2024, Andrew W wrote
>> > (in article <v2tpdj$32nqb$1@dont-email.me>):
>> >
>> > > "Robert" wrote in message
>> > > news:0001HW.2C024E2C0002443930F47438F@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > > >
>> > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article <XnsB17D5438AEAB8629555@185.151.15.190>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Orlando Enrique Fiol<ofiol@verizon.net> wrote in
>> > > > > news:MPG.40bb0a01b04affd198968f@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > In article<lb53k4Ffj3rU5@mid.individual.net>, creon@creon.earth
>> > > > > > writes:
>> > > > > > > Doesn't make any sense. Maybe it made sense to medievals.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It's because God loves us that he's given us commandments
>> > > > > > which,
>> > > > > > when
>> > > > > > disobeyed, inevitably cause pain and suffering to everyone
>> > > > > > involved.
>> > > > > > An unloving God would have left us to figure out how to live
>> > > > > > with
>> > > > > > one
>> > > > > > another by trial and error, with the strong doing what they can
>> > > > > > and
>> > > > > > the weak doing what they must.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Does God Himself obey the Ten Commandments?
>> > > >
>> > > > God as the man Jesus Christ lived and followed ALL the Law.
>> > > >
>> > > > He then was authorized to present a better way.
>> > >
>> > > Jesus even out did God the father? Wow. What a hero.
>> >
>> > Has you ever read scripture, he did the will of His Heavenly Father.
>>
>> Like most people you just follow weird old stories, most of which make no
>> sense. Think.
>
>Then if you don’y believe the Bible on what do you base your hearsay?
>

Study of life and morals.

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"In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
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>
>On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 7:48 AM, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ <michaelmclean92910@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v2jp4n$100ao$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22/05/2024 11:35 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:lb4tmqFfj3rU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 17:16:47 -0500, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and saving you from
>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One would do well not to doubt the salvific
>>>>>>>>>>> powers of God Almighty...in this life or in
>>>>>>>>>>> any other He may have in store for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (signed)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a Universalist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Religion has actually convinced
>>>>>>>>>> people that there's an invisible
>>>>>>>>>> man living in the sky who watches
>>>>>>>>>> everything you do, every minute of
>>>>>>>>>> every day. And the invisible man
>>>>>>>>>> has a special list of ten things he
>>>>>>>>>> does not want you to do. And if you
>>>>>>>>>> do any of these ten things, he has
>>>>>>>>>> a special place, full of fire and
>>>>>>>>>> smoke and burning and torture and
>>>>>>>>>> anguish, where he will send you to
>>>>>>>>>> live and suffer and burn and choke
>>>>>>>>>> and scream and cry forever and ever
>>>>>>>>>> 'til the end of time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But He loves you!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> George Carlin, Dec 23 2005
>>>>>>>>> Snapshot of an ignorant fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â The original post was right, it
>>>>>>>> is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â "Do as I tell you or I will kill you"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â - kidnapper
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â "Believe as I tell you or suffer in Hell"
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â - Christianity
>>>>>>> the fear of suffering in hell is the basis of Xtianity. without it
>>>>>>> there would be no need for salvation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conform or die? Sounds like the Catholic Church speaking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the Protestant Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No,
>>>>>> there is more to following the rules than this. People must be
>>>>>> willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace for
>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Religions have never been able
>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>
>>>> so true!
>>>
>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>
>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>
>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>
>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>
>>
>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>
>So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem to be
>indulging yourself in it!
>

What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted or
murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?

>
>There is only One God and Creator of heaven and earth.
>

And Christianity doesn't know it.

>
>He didn't need your help then or now.
>

So he created humans just for play and to watch them suffer.

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"Robert" wrote in message
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>
>On May 25, 2024, Andrew W wrote
>(in article <v2tur4$33gnd$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>> >
>> > On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > > > news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 5/22/2024 7:48 AM, Maximus wrote:
>> > > > > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > > > > Michael Christ<michaelmclean92910@outlook.com> wrote in
>> > > > > > > news:v2jp4n$100ao$2@dont-email.me:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 22/05/2024 11:35 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > news:lb4tmqFfj3rU1@mid.individual.net:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 May 2024 17:16:47 -0500, ChristRose wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > and saving you from
>> > > > > > > > > > > eternal damnation.
>> > > > > > > > > > Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > One would do well not to doubt the salvific
>> > > > > > > > > > powers of God Almighty...in this life or in
>> > > > > > > > > > any other He may have in store for you.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > (signed)
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > a Universalist.
>> > > > > > > > > "Religion has actually convinced
>> > > > > > > > > people that there's an invisible
>> > > > > > > > > man living in the sky who watches
>> > > > > > > > > everything you do, every minute of
>> > > > > > > > > every day. And the invisible man
>> > > > > > > > > has a special list of ten things he
>> > > > > > > > > does not want you to do. And if you
>> > > > > > > > > do any of these ten things, he has
>> > > > > > > > > a special place, full of fire and
>> > > > > > > > > smoke and burning and torture and
>> > > > > > > > > anguish, where he will send you to
>> > > > > > > > > live and suffer and burn and choke
>> > > > > > > > > and scream and cry forever and ever
>> > > > > > > > > 'til the end of time.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > But He loves you!"
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > George Carlin, Dec 23 2005
>> > > > > > > > Snapshot of an ignorant fool.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â The original post was right, it
>> > > > > > > is spiritual terrorism.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â "Do as I tell you or I will kill you"
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â - kidnapper
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â "Believe as I tell you or suffer in Hell"
>> > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â - Christianity
>> > > > > > the fear of suffering in hell is the basis of Xtianity. without
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > there would be no need for salvation.
>> > > > > Conform or die? Sounds like the Catholic Church speaking.
>> > > >
>> > > > Or the Protestant Church.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "I should have no compassion on these
>> > > > witches; I should burn them all."
>> > > > Martin Luther
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > No,
>> > > > > there is more to following the rules than this. People must be
>> > > > > willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace for
>> > > > > anyone.
>> > > >
>> > > > Religions have never been able
>> > > > to live in peace together.
>> > >
>> > > so true!
>> >
>> > "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>> >
>> > Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>> >
>> > Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>> >
>> > Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>
>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>
>Who filled you mind with that nonsense? That is who did a lousy job with
>their brain. :)
>

Christian's minds are filled with nonsense. Why does the Bible god demand
worship and praise?

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On 28/05/2024 3:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:07 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>>>
>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>>>
>>>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>>>
>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>>>> and adults alike.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>>>
>>>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>>>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>>>
>>> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
>>
>> He did. You're not that ignorant.
>
> I thought you said the evil I produce prevents me from seeing what he
> is or did?

On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 7:48 AM, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ <michaelmclean92910@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v2jp4n$100ao$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/05/2024 11:35 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:lb4tmqFfj3rU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 17:16:47 -0500, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and saving you from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One would do well not to doubt the salvific
>>>>>>>>>>>> powers of God Almighty...in this life or in
>>>>>>>>>>>> any other He may have in store for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (signed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a Universalist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Religion has actually convinced
>>>>>>>>>>> people that there's an invisible
>>>>>>>>>>> man living in the sky who watches
>>>>>>>>>>> everything you do, every minute of
>>>>>>>>>>> every day. And the invisible man
>>>>>>>>>>> has a special list of ten things he
>>>>>>>>>>> does not want you to do. And if you
>>>>>>>>>>> do any of these ten things, he has
>>>>>>>>>>> a special place, full of fire and
>>>>>>>>>>> smoke and burning and torture and
>>>>>>>>>>> anguish, where he will send you to
>>>>>>>>>>> live and suffer and burn and choke
>>>>>>>>>>> and scream and cry forever and ever
>>>>>>>>>>> 'til the end of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But He loves you!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> George Carlin, Dec 23 2005
>>>>>>>>>> Snapshot of an ignorant fool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      The original post was right, it
>>>>>>>>> is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      "Do as I tell you or I will kill you"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        - kidnapper
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      "Believe as I tell you or suffer in Hell"
>>>>>>>>>        - Christianity
>>>>>>>> the fear of suffering in hell is the basis of Xtianity. without it
>>>>>>>> there would be no need for salvation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Conform or die? Sounds like the Catholic Church speaking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Or the Protestant Church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this. People must be
>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace for
>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>
>>>>> so true!
>>>>
>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>
>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>
>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>
>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>
>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem to
>> be indulging yourself in it!
>>
>
> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted or
> murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?

God is not a failure, but you are.

>> There is only One God and Creator of heaven and earth.
>>
>
> And Christianity doesn't know it.

Christianity is just a religion.

It is not a person. People come to know God.

>> He didn't need your help then or now.
>>
>
> So he created humans just for play and to watch them suffer.

God still does not need your help to know what reality is.

Andrew W wrote:
> "God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job."

Perhaps your human mind needs to avail itself of the privilege of
adjusting your thinking?

In the Name of Jesus

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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

On Tue, 28 May 2024 15:27:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 28/05/2024 3:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:07 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>>>>> and adults alike.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>>>>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>>>>
>>>> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
>>>
>>> He did. You're not that ignorant.
>>
>> I thought you said the evil I produce prevents me from seeing what he
>> is or did?
>
>Unless you quote me, you can say anything you like.
>
>Besides, it doesn't stop you thinking.
>
>
>>>>>> if your god cares for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>>>>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
>>>>
>>>> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.
>>>>
>>>>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>>>>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
>>>>
>>>> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
>>>> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
>>>> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.
>>>
>>> You are going to be what you want to be.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be worried about your problems with others if I was you.
>>
>> Well, I'm among those whose questions are not answered.
>
>Who says you deserve or are entitled to answers?

Robert wrote:
> On May 27, 2024, Creon wrote
> (in article <lbkasqFi5drU2@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 00:51:03 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>
>>> On May 26, 2024, Creon wrote (in article
>>> <lbid2pFf23cU6@mid.individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 20:02:08 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote (in article
>>>>> <XnsB17ED3D33470D629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did God give the animals a choice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite the Bible passage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at my answer to you in regards to that earlier this year, My
>>>>> answer remains the same.
>>>>
>>>> The answer is:
>>>>
>>>> The Noatic flood is clearly a myth about God, because we know that if
>>>> there is a loving God, He would not kill all the babies and puppies and
>>>> kittens, etc., in the world. In fact, even suggesting that God would do
>>>> such a thing is a _slander_ against God.
>>> Gen 6:5-8 (KJV)
>>>
>>> 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and
>>> that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
>>> continually.
>>>
>>> 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
>>> grieved him at his heart.
>>>
>>> 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the
>>> face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the
>>> fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
>>>
>>> 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD
>>>
>>> God said otherwise.
>>
>> Here is the point where I abandon Robert to his
>> Bible extremism. The only reason to answer him now
>> is pedagogical, for the edification of onlookers.
>>
>> I just made the point that God did _not_ cause a global
>> flood, because we _know_, through conscience and reason,
>> that a real loving God would do no such thing,
>> drowning innocent babies and kittens and puppies.
>>
>> The fact that Robert doubles-down on such absurdities
>> only shows how far Robert will go to _slander_ God.
>
> Such extreme wisdom! Especially in light of what Gods word says. Which was
> quoted above and below.
>
> I will leave you to relish in your brilliance.
>>
>>
>>>> We also know that cramming all the land animals onto a big boat to
>>>> survive a flood is nothing more than a fantasy.
>>>
>>> Then you are scientifically limited in understanding.
>>
>> Bullshit. Robert's ad-hominem argument is a logical fallacy,
>> and he has now abandoned any logic he might have had.
>>
>> I've looked, and it appears Robert has a device of denying human
>> knowledge with this logical fallacy.
>
> LOL not at all, human knowledge is just that Human, not spiritual. Of this
> temporary world, and as such it can only go so far. You might have noticed
> from any review of history, men have exhibited all the same signs as the
> caveman warriors with the exception their man caves are seemingly fancier,
> have more gadgets and are easily destroyed by their women and or natural
> decay or storms, etc.
>
> Nice to hear that you state I had logic. Yet here on display is full out
> caveman competitive speech, and empire bldg, Flexing what muscle you might
> have in front of your peers and bellowing like a toothless bull. Year
> rrrriightttt millions of years, they say, of evolution all of with showed
> that you can take the man out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle
> out of the man.
>>
>>
>>>> We also know there is no evidence of a world-wide flood, in any event.
>>>
>>> There are sea shells, etc in the tops of the highest mountains.
>>
>> Some of them, yes -- after being uplifted. For example, two techtonic
>> plates are cramming into each other, uplifting the tallest mountain
>> range in the world: the Himalayas.
>
> Partially true, sounds like a great excuse, problem is that there is recorded
> history of moutains present at the time of the Great Flood, as well as the
> height of the waters above the mountains.
>>
>>
>>> The half life of the earths gravitational field shows the interruption.
>>
>> Balderdash. There is no "half life of the earths [sic] gravitation
>> field".
>
> ROTFLOL! Don’t search that on the net And btw, I did not say Gravity. It is
> in fact the magnetic field. And that was also used to prove the possibility
> of a Great Flood. As has been shown by an atheist scientist.
>>
>>
>>> And there are numerous other evidences.
>>
>> Such as? You're batting .000 so far, maybe you should visit the newsgroup
>> talk.origins and tell us there about your global flood imaginings.
>
> What for, half the people there really think their spouse is true to them.
>>
>>
>>> All of which I have shown in this group
>>> many many years ago.
>>
>> I never saw any such thing. Do you have _any_ references for your
>> suppositions? Even a Message-ID to an article where you list your
>> references would be more welcome than such hand-waving.
>
> What for? When you are shown the errors of your thinking, you shift the
> topic, you have the biblical proof of your errors, and did it change you mind
> to even just consider such a thing? Nope, you stuck to your agenda like the
> Democrats of agains President Trump even when video and other recorded
> evidences are displayed for all to read.
>
> Gonna have to let you go. Word to the wise, keep your comments in your own
> good fella NG’s lest you be shown to be a fraud. :)
>
>>
>>
>>> Plus, I believe the word of God in all such
>>> matters.
>>
>> I strongly doubt you even know what "word of God" means.
>>
>
i told you not to be stupid you moron

"Creon" wrote in message news:lbkrguFi5drU5@mid.individual.net...

> The Noatic flood is a myth, and anyone who says
> God would do such a thing is a defamer of God,

Jesus said that it happened.

"For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky
from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man
be in his day. But first he must suffer many things
and be rejected by this generation. Just as it was in
the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the
Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and
marrying and being given in marriage, until the
day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood
came and destroyed them all."

~ Luke 17:24-27

On 28/05/2024 4:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2024 15:27:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2024 3:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:07 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>>>>>> and adults alike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>>>>>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>>>>>
>>>>> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
>>>>
>>>> He did. You're not that ignorant.
>>>
>>> I thought you said the evil I produce prevents me from seeing what he
>>> is or did?
>>
>> Unless you quote me, you can say anything you like.
>>
>> Besides, it doesn't stop you thinking.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> if your god cares for them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>>>>>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>>>>>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
>>>>> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
>>>>> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.
>>>>
>>>> You are going to be what you want to be.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't be worried about your problems with others if I was you.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm among those whose questions are not answered.
>>
>> Who says you deserve or are entitled to answers?
>
> Why wouldn't I be?

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:Kfg5O.108267$G7P2.88505
@fx02.ams4:

> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbkrguFi5drU5@mid.individual.net...
>
>> The Noatic flood is a myth, and anyone who says
>> God would do such a thing is a defamer of God,
>
> Jesus said that it happened.

Jesus also said the Earth was flat.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB180517579EE2629555@185.151.15.190...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Creon" wrote:
>>
>>> The Noatic flood is a myth, and anyone who says
>>> God would do such a thing is a defamer of God,
>>
>> Jesus said that it happened.

> "They were eating and drinking and marrying and
> being given in marriage, until the day when Noah
> entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed
> them all." ~ Luke 17:24-27
>
> Jesus also said the Earth was flat.

No, this is what He said:

"You are of your father the devil, ...... He does
not stand in the truth because there is no truth
in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural
to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
~ John 8:44

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:Inn5O.147813$SC98.124636@fx15.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB180517579EE2629555@185.151.15.190...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Creon" wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Noatic flood is a myth, and anyone who says
>>>> God would do such a thing is a defamer of God,
>>>
>>> Jesus said that it happened.
>
>> "They were eating and drinking and marrying and
>> being given in marriage, until the day when Noah
>> entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed
>> them all." ~ Luke 17:24-27
>>
>> Jesus also said the Earth was flat.
>
> No,

Yes.

Matthew 4:
....the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
world, and the glory of them

Amos 9:6 The One who builds His upper chambers
in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
over the earth

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the
four corners of the earth

Revelation 7:3
and will go out to deceive the nations in
the four corners of the earth

Job 28:24
for he views the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.

Deuteronomy 28:49
The Lord will bring a nation against you from
far away, from the ends of the earth

Daniel 4:10-11.
....the king saw a tree of great height at the
centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds

this is what He said:
>
> "You are of your father the devil, ...... He does
> not stand in the truth because there is no truth
> in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural
> to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
> ~ John 8:44
>

"In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>
>On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 7:48 AM, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ <michaelmclean92910@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v2jp4n$100ao$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/05/2024 11:35 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:lb4tmqFfj3rU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 17:16:47 -0500, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and saving you from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One would do well not to doubt the salvific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers of God Almighty...in this life or in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other He may have in store for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (signed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Universalist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Religion has actually convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>> people that there's an invisible
>>>>>>>>>>>> man living in the sky who watches
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything you do, every minute of
>>>>>>>>>>>> every day. And the invisible man
>>>>>>>>>>>> has a special list of ten things he
>>>>>>>>>>>> does not want you to do. And if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> do any of these ten things, he has
>>>>>>>>>>>> a special place, full of fire and
>>>>>>>>>>>> smoke and burning and torture and
>>>>>>>>>>>> anguish, where he will send you to
>>>>>>>>>>>> live and suffer and burn and choke
>>>>>>>>>>>> and scream and cry forever and ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'til the end of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But He loves you!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> George Carlin, Dec 23 2005
>>>>>>>>>>> Snapshot of an ignorant fool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â The original post was right, it
>>>>>>>>>> is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â "Do as I tell you or I will kill you"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â - kidnapper
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â "Believe as I tell you or suffer in Hell"
>>>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â - Christianity
>>>>>>>>> the fear of suffering in hell is the basis of Xtianity. without it
>>>>>>>>> there would be no need for salvation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Conform or die? Sounds like the Catholic Church speaking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or the Protestant Church.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>> there is more to following the rules than this. People must be
>>>>>>>> willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace for
>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Religions have never been able
>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>
>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem to be
>>> indulging yourself in it!
>>>
>>
>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted or
>> murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?
>
>God is not a failure, but you are.
>

You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults. Everyone's bad
except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.

>
>>> There is only One God and Creator of heaven and earth.
>>>
>>
>> And Christianity doesn't know it.
>
>Christianity is just a religion.
>
>It is not a person. People come to know God.
>

The Christian god is not a person, it's a book.

>
>>> He didn't need your help then or now.
>>>
>>
>> So he created humans just for play and to watch them suffer.
>
>God still does not need your help to know what reality is.
>

You do not know what reality is. You've never studied it. A book just tells
you to worship and you do it like a zombie.

>
>Andrew W wrote:
> > "God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job."
>
>Perhaps your human mind needs to avail itself of the privilege of adjusting
>your thinking?
>

Perhaps you need to research stuff before you buy into them. Christianity
like all religions sells a bill of goods. It's a sheep leader.
Christianity claims that God created beings that are so unlike him - he is
non physical and has no needs but we are and do, he is all knowing and we
are clueless, he is all good and we are bad, he is all powerful and we are
powerless, and yet you are still not the least bit suspicious about any of
the nonsensical and contradictory stories you've been told. Start thinking.

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On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2024 7:48 AM, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ <michaelmclean92910@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2jp4n$100ao$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/05/2024 11:35 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:lb4tmqFfj3rU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2024 17:16:47 -0500, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and saving you from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One would do well not to doubt the salvific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers of God Almighty...in this life or in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other He may have in store for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (signed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Universalist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Religion has actually convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people that there's an invisible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> man living in the sky who watches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything you do, every minute of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every day. And the invisible man
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a special list of ten things he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not want you to do. And if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do any of these ten things, he has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a special place, full of fire and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> smoke and burning and torture and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anguish, where he will send you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> live and suffer and burn and choke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and scream and cry forever and ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'til the end of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But He loves you!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Carlin, Dec 23 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapshot of an ignorant fool.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      The original post was right, it
>>>>>>>>>>> is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      "Do as I tell you or I will kill you"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>        - kidnapper
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      "Believe as I tell you or suffer in Hell"
>>>>>>>>>>>        - Christianity
>>>>>>>>>> the fear of suffering in hell is the basis of Xtianity.
>>>>>>>>>> without it
>>>>>>>>>> there would be no need for salvation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Conform or die? Sounds like the Catholic Church speaking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Or the Protestant Church.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this. People
>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>>
>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem
>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>
>>>
>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted or
>>> murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?
>>
>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>
>
> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults. Everyone's
> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.

Oh boy, that is going to smart later.

God is worthy of worship, but you can worship yourself if you like.

In the Name of Jesus

>
>
>>
>>>> There is only One God and Creator of heaven and earth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And Christianity doesn't know it.
>>
>> Christianity is just a religion.
>>
>> It is not a person. People come to know God.
>>
>
> The Christian god is not a person, it's a book.
>
>
>>
>>>> He didn't need your help then or now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So he created humans just for play and to watch them suffer.
>>
>> God still does not need your help to know what reality is.
>>
>
> You do not know what reality is. You've never studied it. A book just
> tells you to worship and you do it like a zombie.
>
>
>>
>> Andrew W wrote:
>> > "God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job."
>>
>> Perhaps your human mind needs to avail itself of the privilege of
>> adjusting your thinking?
>>
>
> Perhaps you need to research stuff before you buy into them.
> Christianity like all religions sells a bill of goods. It's a sheep leader.
> Christianity claims that God created beings that are so unlike him - he
> is non physical and has no needs but we are and do, he is all knowing
> and we are clueless, he is all good and we are bad, he is all powerful
> and we are powerless, and yet you are still not the least bit suspicious
> about any of the nonsensical and contradictory stories you've been told.
> Start thinking.
>
>

Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...

....
> >God is not a failure, but you are.
> >
>
> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults. Everyone's bad
> except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.

MX belongs to an MX-worshipping cult of one.

> >Christianity is just a religion.
> >
> >It is not a person. People come to know God.
>
> The Christian god is not a person, it's a book.

MX is not an xtian, he's an MXtian. The MXtian god is
MX. Not a book, not a spectre, just Mike.

HTH, YWIA.

<snip>

Robert wrote:
> On May 27, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> > Robert wrote:
> > > On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> > > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > > On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in

This is what you claim not to have read:

> > > > > > > > > ''
> > > > > > > > > The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason. They are
> > > > > > > > > directly from God, God's voice heard plainly in the heart, as even on
> > > > > > > > > Horeb, or Sinai or the mount of transfiguration. Nothing can be
> > > > > > > > > superior to these instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
> > > > > > > > > the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will authority. It
> > > > > > > > > can never contradict these counselors, and yet claim obedience. What
> > > > > > > > > God has made cannot be unmade by any power short of his own; so
> > > > > > > > > nothing arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on reason and
> > > > > > > > > conscience, let it be taught on what external authority it may. One
> > > > > > > > > chief merit of Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
> > > > > > > > > natural religion to their original and proper place,

<snip>
> > > > > > > > When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
> > > > > > > > will not be freed at the end of six years as the
> > > > > > > > men are.
> > > > > > > > Exodus 21:7-11
> > > > > > >

....
> > You're being stupid again, and you know it. Voluntary
> > employment is not involuntary servitude.
>
> It is voluntary servitude. Which is what I have been talking about all along.

No it's not. We have been talking about biblical
slavery, which is involuntary. People were sold into it
by family (eg Joseph), captured in battle (eg Midianite
virgins), or otherwise forced into it.

This is what the bible condones, and you defend it.

<...>
> > Any NFL player is free to quit in the middle of first
> > down. There are zillions of kids chomping at the bit to
> > become NFL "slaves".
>
> The same thing goes for your voluntary servitude position. You are a slave to
> everything that you own which is not fully paid for.

Nonsense. That's a metaphoric statement, and total
hyperbole. Only you could believe it.

<...>
> > You defended the bible's acceptance of slavery. So yeah,
> > you did intimate it's justified.
>
> No, that was the knee jerk reaction of everyone here that responded to my
> statements, they overlooked what I said was bad about some forms of slavery
> and why other forms are proper. I am not going to back off on my statements
> just to placate unreasonable people that have no rational or understanding.
>
> You think you own yourself? If you are employed, then quit, see what happens
> to the things you own are are in bondage for.

You're blustering. Employment is not slavery.

Read the 13th amendment. Employees can quit any time
they want.

> > Robert, do you agree that slavery is immoral, and was
> > always immoral?
> >
> > Yes or no.

No answer? So I conclude you condone slavery. Full stop.

> > > > Did you not read Creon's post about Parker? You are
> > > > Exhibit A for putting biblical dogma above conscience.
> > >
> > > I don’t remember seeing it much less reading it.
> >
> > You quoted it above.
>
> Look at the dates of his original post and this one. The bottom line is, I do
> not go by the words of so-called religious men. Theologians, etc. There are
> plenty of atheists who hold a Dr.’s degree in theology, or a Masters. And
> none of them know God.

What are you talking about? Creon posted it Sunday, you
replied to a reply 12 hours later. Since then, you have
quoted part of the passage multiple times.

You should really stop digging.

<...>

On 29/05/2024 10:44 am, El Kabong wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>> On May 27, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>
> This is what you claim not to have read:
>
>>>>>>>>>> ''
>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason. They are
>>>>>>>>>> directly from God, God's voice heard plainly in the heart, as even on
>>>>>>>>>> Horeb, or Sinai or the mount of transfiguration. Nothing can be
>>>>>>>>>> superior to these instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>>>>>>>>>> the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will authority. It
>>>>>>>>>> can never contradict these counselors, and yet claim obedience. What
>>>>>>>>>> God has made cannot be unmade by any power short of his own; so
>>>>>>>>>> nothing arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on reason and
>>>>>>>>>> conscience, let it be taught on what external authority it may. One
>>>>>>>>>> chief merit of Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>>>>>>>>>> natural religion to their original and proper place,
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>>>>>>>>> will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>>>>>>>>> men are.
>>>>>>>>> Exodus 21:7-11
>>>>>>>>
>
> ...
>>> You're being stupid again, and you know it. Voluntary
>>> employment is not involuntary servitude.
>>
>> It is voluntary servitude. Which is what I have been talking about all along.
>
> No it's not. We have been talking about biblical
> slavery, which is involuntary. People were sold into it
> by family (eg Joseph), captured in battle (eg Midianite
> virgins), or otherwise forced into it.
>
> This is what the bible condones, and you defend it.
>
> <...>
>>> Any NFL player is free to quit in the middle of first
>>> down. There are zillions of kids chomping at the bit to
>>> become NFL "slaves".
>>
>> The same thing goes for your voluntary servitude position. You are a slave to
>> everything that you own which is not fully paid for.
>
> Nonsense. That's a metaphoric statement, and total
> hyperbole. Only you could believe it.
>
> <...>
>>> You defended the bible's acceptance of slavery. So yeah,
>>> you did intimate it's justified.
>>
>> No, that was the knee jerk reaction of everyone here that responded to my
>> statements, they overlooked what I said was bad about some forms of slavery
>> and why other forms are proper. I am not going to back off on my statements
>> just to placate unreasonable people that have no rational or understanding.
>>
>> You think you own yourself? If you are employed, then quit, see what happens
>> to the things you own are are in bondage for.
>
> You're blustering. Employment is not slavery.
>
> Read the 13th amendment. Employees can quit any time
> they want.
>
>
>>> Robert, do you agree that slavery is immoral, and was
>>> always immoral?
>>>
>>> Yes or no.
>
> No answer? So I conclude you condone slavery. Full stop.
>
>
>>>>> Did you not read Creon's post about Parker? You are
>>>>> Exhibit A for putting biblical dogma above conscience.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t remember seeing it much less reading it.
>>>
>>> You quoted it above.
>>
>> Look at the dates of his original post and this one. The bottom line is, I do
>> not go by the words of so-called religious men. Theologians, etc. There are
>> plenty of atheists who hold a Dr.’s degree in theology, or a Masters. And
>> none of them know God.
>
> What are you talking about? Creon posted it Sunday, you
> replied to a reply 12 hours later. Since then, you have
> quoted part of the passage multiple times.
>
> You should really stop digging.
>
> <...>

Did you know that you are a destructive slave to yourself?

Ironically, Robert is one also.

In the Name of Jesus

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God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Robert" wrote in message
news:0001HW.2C03CDBF00083AD330667038F@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>(in article <XnsB17E58E3D7CB4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2C02E95F0026A45830F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article <XnsB17DD16CF5DC4629555@185.151.15.160>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2C02686F00086C1630F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article <XnsB17D868A876F629555@185.151.15.190>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > news:0001HW.2C024E2C0002443930F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > (in article <XnsB17D5438AEAB8629555@185.151.15.190>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > God as God is a mass murderer.
>> > > >
>> > > > You use the term ‘murderer’ falsely and you know it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Why did he kill the first-born
>> > > > > children in Egypt? They had done
>> > > > > nothing to offend him.
>> > > >
>> > > > There is a list of things they had done to offend Him, most of
>> > > > which you know from your past studies.
>> > >
>> > > Name them. Name just ONE thing the
>> > > first born CHILDREN did to offend God.
>> > > And don't for He killed all the first
>> > > born animals as well. What had THEY
>> > > done to offend your god?
>> >
>> > They hated their God, they hated the dependents of Abraham and Isaac
>> > and enslaved them. IOW they mistreated the Chosen People.
>>
>> The children - and animals - of Egypt
>> "hated their God"?
>
>The children were taught that just like the children of the Palestines were
>and are taught to hate the Hebrew.
>

Children only know what they're taught and are innocent. Why kill them?

>
>The animals were owned by the families who suffered the same fate, and all
>the animals of those who did as Moses instructed lived.
>

Are animals at fault for being owned by the wrong people?

>
>They all had the same
>choice, whether Egyptian or Hebrew.
>

Did God give animals choice?

>
>Just like today, you have the same choice as to follow the Lord or reject
>him.
>>

We also have the choice to look into things to see which religions are dodgy
and selling lies. There are thousands. Why didn't you exercise that choice?

>
>> Where does the Bible say THAT?
>
>You have the Bible, look it up.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Why did God kill Er? He had
>> > > > > done nothing wrong.
>> > > >
>> > > > “And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD;
>> > > > and the LORD slew him.” (Gen 38:7, KJV)
>> > >
>> > > Bingo. What had Er DONE?
>> >
>> > Ask God, I just told you the answer. Bingo.
>>
>> Evasion noted. What had Er actually DONE?
>
>Does it matter the specific details? Who are you to second Guess the one
>who
>set all things in motion, including you.
>

Who or what set everything in motion? You have no proper info on that.
Christianity's claims are completely inevident and often silly. What do you
do when there are dodgy claims? You investigate, not just believe and
worship like a robot.

>
>You who has the free will to oppose
>eternal life and select eternal death as your preferred choice.
>>

No evidence for such claims exist or are rational. You have believed without
thinking.

>>
>> > > > The same with his brother.
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Why did God kill everyone in
>> > > > > Ye Floode? They broke no "godly"
>> > > > > rules.
>> > > >
>> > > > They were all followers of Satan. Given over to great Evil.
>> > >
>> > > The Bible doesn't say that.
>> > >
>> > > Don't you read your Bible?
>> >
>> > Gen 6:5 (AMPC) The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in
>> > the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all human
>> > thinking was only evil continually.
>>
>> So God killed all humanity for not
>> obeying the laws he never gave them. And
>> no chsnce of redemption, no option of
>> forgiveness.
>
>The did have a choice, many of Gods people told and warned the others, they
>all listened with the exact same interest as you exhibit. Not just you, but
>your wife, the others who claim to adhere to the religion of atheism.
>
>You studied this too, at one time.
>>
>>
>> And as for the "wickedness" of all
>> the animals he killed, well, maybe you
>> can explain that one as well.
>
>I already did, years ago. You have shown everyone in asking that just how
>honestly you ask the question. You have no desire for the turn but follow
>the
>path of contention, just like some “christians” do.
>

Everything in this world has to be questioned. Don't just accept some things
because they mass printed them in a book.

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"In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>
>On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>> there is more to following the rules than this. People must
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> willing to live in peace together or there can be no peace
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem to
>>>>> be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted or
>>>> murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?
>>>
>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>
>>
>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults. Everyone's
>> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>
>Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>

You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.

>
>God is worthy of worship,

What good has he done?

>
>but you can worship yourself if you like.
>

Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.

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On 29/05/2024 1:03 pm, Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these
>>>>>>>>>> witches; I should burn them all."
>>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this. People
>>>>>>>>>>> must be
>>>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can be no
>>>>>>>>>>> peace for
>>>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem
>>>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted
>>>>> or murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?
>>>>
>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>> Everyone's bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>>
>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>
>
> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.

You are speaking out what is in your own heart.

You should be fearful. Guilt.

>> God is worthy of worship,
>
> What good has he done?

Disgraceful.

In the Name of Jesus

>
>
>>
>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>
>
> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:

> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>>On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn
>>>>>>>>>> them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>> there is more to following the rules than this. People
>>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> willing to live in peace together or there can be no
>>>>>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you certainly seem
>>>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor, persecuted
>>>>> or murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does he do?
>>>>
>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults. Everyone's
>>> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>>
>>Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>
>>
> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>
>
>
>>God is worthy of worship,
>
> What good has he done?
>
>
>
>>but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>
>>
> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.

The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.

--
-c

Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote in news:XnsB17F60A8F69EE629555@
185.151.15.190:

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2C0472E70019B9C730EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On May 26, 2024, Creon wrote
>> (in article <lbid2pFf23cU6@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 20:02:08 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> > On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > (in article <XnsB17ED3D33470D629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>> >
>>> > > Where did God give the animals a choice?
>>> > >
>>> > > Cite the Bible passage.
>>> >
>>> > Look at my answer to you in regards to that earlier this year, My
>>> > answer remains the same.
>>>
>>> The answer is:
>>>
>>> The Noatic flood is clearly a myth about God, because we know that
>>> if there is a loving God, He would not kill all the babies and
>>> puppies and kittens, etc., in the world. In fact, even suggesting
>>> that God would do such a thing is a _slander_ against God.
>> Gen 6:5-8 (KJV)
>>
>> 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and
>> that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
>> continually.
>>
>> 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
>> grieved him at his heart.
>>
>> 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the
>> face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and
>> the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
>>
>> 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD
>>
>
>
> Nothing in there about God giving
> mankind (much less the animals) any
> choice. Cite the Bible passage for that.
>
>

And Robert has no answer....

>> God said otherwise.
>>
>> .
>>
>>>
>>> We also know that cramming all the land animals onto a big boat
>>> to survive a flood is nothing more than a fantasy.
>>
>> Then you are scientifically limited in understanding.
>>>
>>> We also know there is no evidence of a world-wide flood, in any
>>> event.
>>
>> There are sea shells, etc in the tops of the highest mountains.
>
>
> No sea shells on the top of
> Mt Ararat where Ye Ark landed. Why
> is that? Was it not flooded?
>

And Robert has no answer....

>
>> The
>> half life of the earths gravitational field shows the interruption.
>
>
> Gravitational fields don't have
> half lives.
>
>
>> And there are numerous other evidences. All of which I have shown in
>> this group many many years ago. Plus, I believe the word of God in all
>> such matters.
>
>
> Funny how the Egyptians and Chinese
> and Indians lived thru Ye Floode and
> didn't even notice it, much less record it.
>
> Do explain.

And Robert has no answer....

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2C0527F6000382DF306B2638F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 27, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> (in article<j2l85j9so6p5qonuv8bgr7aitn95tj40b0@4ax.com>):
>
>>
>> You're being stupid again, and you know it. Voluntary
>> employment is not involuntary servitude.
>
> It is voluntary servitude. Which is what I have been talking about all
> along. There is both voluntary and involuntary servitude yet you guys
> are so bent on your self righteous indignation that you lose all sense
> of rationale and understanding.
>
> The jews who accepted voluntary slaves, would at the time set for the
> ending of that contractural agreement,

There are no "voluntary slaves", there
are no "contractual agreements" in slavery.

> if they wanted to stay where
> they were, because of marrying another slave, would then have their
> ear places against a doorway, and have the lob pierced with an awl,
> showing that they were there by choice.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves
from among the foreigners who live among you. You
may also purchase the children of such resident
foreigners, including those who have been born in
your land. You may treat them as your property,
passing them on to your children as a permanent
inheritance.
Leviticus 25:44-46

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:v365nn$vr4b$1@dont-email.me:

> "Robert" wrote in message
> news:0001HW.2C03CDBF00083AD330667038F@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>(in article <XnsB17E58E3D7CB4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>
>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> news:0001HW.2C02E95F0026A45830F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>> > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > (in article <XnsB17DD16CF5DC4629555@185.151.15.160>):
>>> >
>>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> > > news:0001HW.2C02686F00086C1630F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > > > (in article <XnsB17D868A876F629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> > > > > news:0001HW.2C024E2C0002443930F47438F@news.eternal-september.
>>> > > > > org:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > > > > > (in article <XnsB17D5438AEAB8629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > God as God is a mass murderer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > You use the term ‘murderer’ falsely and you know it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Why did he kill the first-born
>>> > > > > children in Egypt? They had done
>>> > > > > nothing to offend him.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > There is a list of things they had done to offend Him, most of
>>> > > > which you know from your past studies.
>>> > >
>>> > > Name them. Name just ONE thing the
>>> > > first born CHILDREN did to offend God.
>>> > > And don't for He killed all the first
>>> > > born animals as well. What had THEY
>>> > > done to offend your god?
>>> >
>>> > They hated their God, they hated the dependents of Abraham and
>>> > Isaac and enslaved them. IOW they mistreated the Chosen People.
>>>
>>> The children - and animals - of Egypt
>>> "hated their God"?
>>
>>The children were taught that just like the children of the Palestines
>>were and are taught to hate the Hebrew.
>>
>
> Children only know what they're taught and are innocent. Why kill
> them?
>
>
>>
>>The animals were owned by the families who suffered the same fate, and
>>all the animals of those who did as Moses instructed lived.
>>
>
> Are animals at fault for being owned by the wrong people?
>
>
>>
>>They all had the same
>>choice, whether Egyptian or Hebrew.
>>
>
> Did God give animals choice?
>
>
>>
>>Just like today, you have the same choice as to follow the Lord or
>>reject him.
>>>
>
> We also have the choice to look into things to see which religions are
> dodgy and selling lies. There are thousands. Why didn't you exercise
> that choice?
>
>
>>
>>> Where does the Bible say THAT?
>>
>>You have the Bible, look it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Why did God kill Er? He had
>>> > > > > done nothing wrong.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > “And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the
>>> > > > LORD; and the LORD slew him.” (Gen 38:7, KJV)
>>> > >
>>> > > Bingo. What had Er DONE?
>>> >
>>> > Ask God, I just told you the answer. Bingo.
>>>
>>> Evasion noted. What had Er actually DONE?
>>
>>Does it matter the specific details? Who are you to second Guess the
>>one who
>>set all things in motion, including you.
>>
>
> Who or what set everything in motion? You have no proper info on that.
> Christianity's claims are completely inevident and often silly. What
> do you do when there are dodgy claims? You investigate, not just
> believe and worship like a robot.
>
>
>>
>>You who has the free will to oppose
>>eternal life and select eternal death as your preferred choice.
>>>
>
>
> No evidence for such claims exist or are rational. You have believed
> without thinking.

Very good questions.

Pity Robert won't answer them............

Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>> and adults alike.
>>
>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
>
>>> if your god cares for them?
>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.

yes

>
>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.

yes

>
>> Do you know why hope exists? Because there is something to place your
>> hope in. In atheism is no hope. What does that tell you? That hope is
>> fiction or that atheism is fiction?
> Atheists do have hope, just not in religion. So don't try to hi-jack
> the word "hope" for your theist claims.