Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> news:T2J3O.2841$Ht19.177@fx09.ams4:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB17B53901A1AB629555@185.151.15.190...
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>
>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>
>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>> . ending nowhere!
>>>
>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>> threats.
>>
>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>
>
> You miss the point. Your religion
> doesn't care about the innocents, it
> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>
>
>
>
> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>
>
> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
> Lot's wife..........................1
> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
> Amalekites................... 1,000
> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>
>
and the left behinds are believers now and ,
they've all made twice as many friends to spread the word

On 24/05/2024 10:48 am, Creon wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2024 07:39:49 +1000, Michael Christ wrote:
>> Atheism is a belief,
>
> Wrong-o. It's a lack of a belief. It's right there
> in the name: _A_theist.

That is a belief too, Wrongo Snippy Boy.

Everything is a belief; get that righto, Goofy. Even if you say, I don't
believe in fairies...that is a belief! How come so basic of a reality is
so hard for your morons to grasp???

> Being a theist myself --

Well then, you have swallowed the atheist "lack of belief" bullshit.

Do you always believe what sinful men tells you? Not a good idea!

> and a rather agnostic one at that -- I have to
> wonder: who do you think you're fooling? Not any atheists, and
> certainly not any theists.

I am not here to please flawed men, Bubba.

Look at you, you don't know what you are. "A theist whose rather
agnostic" and there you giving your glorious "city central" clever HR
desk "advice?" :-).

Who do you think you are fooling?

Well, not me, praise the Lord.

> You're here to toss-off with your monomania.
>
> Buddy-boy: you are fired. You are sooo fired. Pick up your paycheck at
> the monomaniacal HR desk.

Yeah, its me and it couldn't possibly be you, theist agnostic genius.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

On Thu, 23 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/23/24 11:27 AM, Creon wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:10:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2n492$1mrbg$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael. It's just that some of us
>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling down
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> ~~~~ The *Ship of Fools* ~~~~.
>>>
>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has ever
>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>
>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail away
>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>
>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>
>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>
>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>
>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>
>> Nice try, terrorist scum.
>
> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
> terrors about dying and going to Hell. When I found out that Hell is
> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>
> Dawn
>

You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you came
to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and change,
especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17BD1D4A3911629555@185.151.15.190...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>
>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>
>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>> threats.
>>
>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>
> You miss the point. Your religion
> doesn't care about the innocents, it
> delights in slaughtering the innocents.

Yet you are still with us!

> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>
> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
> Lot's wife..........................1
> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
> Amalekites................... 1,000
> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz

You miss the point. The entire human
race before us this day..have died. This
goes way beyond your little list above.

On 5/24/2024 3:28 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/24 11:27 AM, Creon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:10:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2n492$1mrbg$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael.  It's just that some of us
>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling down
>>>>> below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>>  ~~~~   The *Ship of Fools*  ~~~~.
>>>>
>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has ever
>>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>>
>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail away
>>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>>
>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>
>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>
>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>
>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>
>>> Nice try, terrorist scum.
>>
>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
>> terrors about dying and going to Hell.  When I found out that Hell is
>> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>
> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you
> came to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and
> change, especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.

Oh, that's simple. I got interested in science, and from there, I
learned the scientific method gradually over time. Scientists are
constantly testing their theories and models; one school of thought
within Science says that it is not so much about proving a scientific
theory as being true as trying to prove that it is not, the principle of
falsification. Of course, falsification is not necessarily a
black/white proposition (soft v. hard sciences), but all scientists,
without exception, collect data and empirically analyze it.

God may exist, and there may be afterlife, but it is absurd, in my
opinion, to hold that one's faith, hopes and/or beliefs are somehow
"causal", that merely believing something causes that something to be
true, even if it is not, and not believing something causes that
something to be false, even if it is true. If God and/or an afterlife
exist, "almost surely" such have an existence that is independent of
whether one individual is a believer or not. On this point very wide
agreement exists between believers and non-believers!

In some sense, I think that religious faith is anti-realism on steroids.
It is the polar opposite of scientific realism, and as there are
practically a limitless set of beliefs, why favor one set over the
practically infinite sets of other beliefs??

Dawn

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:d9Z3O.21316$2pr4.13486@fx11.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB17BD1D4A3911629555@185.151.15.190...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael.� What you find funny
>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>> threats.
>>>
>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>
>> You miss the point. Your religion
>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>
> Yet you are still with us!
>
>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>
>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>> Lot's wife..........................1
>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>
> You miss the point. The entire human
> race before us this day..have died. This
> goes way beyond your little list above.

Your god loves humanity, life
is sacred, but he keeps killing
innocent people.

Why is that?

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17C4D0314077629555@185.151.15.160...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>> threats.
>>>>
>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>
>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>
>> Yet you are still with us!
>>
>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>
>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>
>> You miss the point. The entire human
>> race before us this day..have died. This
>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>
> Your god loves humanity, life
> is sacred, but he keeps killing
> innocent people.
>
> Why is that?

The Bible answers all of your
questions and more.

Your ignorance is inexcusable.
bringing you to absurd
conclusions.

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:cS44O.21546$lYO9.12508@fx08.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB17C4D0314077629555@185.151.15.160...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael.� What you find funny
>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>>> threats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>>
>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>>
>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>>
>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>>
>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>>
>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>
>> Your god loves humanity, life
>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>> innocent people.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> The Bible answers all of your
> questions and more.
>

Can't answer the question, I see.

No surprise there.............

Creon wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2024 07:39:49 +1000, Michael Christ wrote:
>> Atheism is a belief,
> Wrong-o. It's a lack of a belief. It's right there
> in the name: _A_theist.

technically you are correct. atheism means without theism, ie. not
theist. however, since theism is belief in the existence of a divine
being, not believing in the existence of a divine being. ie. believing a
divine being does not exist, is also atheism. ie. not theist

>
> Being a theist myself -- and a rather agnostic one at that -- I have to
> wonder: who do you think you're fooling? Not any atheists, and
> certainly not any theists.
>
> You're here to toss-off with your monomania.
>
> Buddy-boy: you are fired. You are sooo fired. Pick up your paycheck at
> the monomaniacal HR desk.
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 25/05/2024 4:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Creon wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2024 07:39:49 +1000, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Atheism is a belief,
>> Wrong-o.  It's a lack of a belief.  It's right there
>> in the name: _A_theist.
>
> technically you are correct. atheism means without theism, ie. not
> theist. however, since theism is belief in the existence of a divine
> being, not believing in the existence of a divine being.

Which is a belief.

> ie. believing a
> divine being does not exist, is also atheism. ie. not theist

All Maximus has done is preach his belief.

Atheism is a belief because everything we do is belief.

It is really not that difficult.

In the Name of Jesus

>
>>
>> Being a theist myself -- and a rather agnostic one at that -- I have to
>> wonder:  who do you think you're fooling?  Not any atheists, and
>> certainly not any theists.
>>
>> You're here to toss-off with your monomania.
>>
>> Buddy-boy:  you are fired.  You are sooo fired. Pick up your paycheck at
>> the monomaniacal HR desk.
>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

On Fri, 24 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/24/2024 3:28 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/24 11:27 AM, Creon wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:10:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2n492$1mrbg$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael.  It's just that some of us
>>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling down
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>>  ~~~~   The *Ship of Fools*  ~~~~.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has ever
>>>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail away
>>>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>>>
>>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>>
>>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>>
>>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>>
>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>
>>>> Nice try, terrorist scum.
>>>
>>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
>>> terrors about dying and going to Hell.  When I found out that Hell is
>>> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>
>> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you came
>> to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and change,
>> especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.
>
> Oh, that's simple. I got interested in science, and from there, I learned
> the scientific method gradually over time. Scientists are constantly testing
> their theories and models; one school of thought within Science says that it
> is not so much about proving a scientific theory as being true as trying to
> prove that it is not, the principle of falsification. Of course,
> falsification is not necessarily a black/white proposition (soft v. hard
> sciences), but all scientists, without exception, collect data and
> empirically analyze it.
>
> God may exist, and there may be afterlife, but it is absurd, in my opinion,
> to hold that one's faith, hopes and/or beliefs are somehow "causal", that
> merely believing something causes that something to be true, even if it is
> not, and not believing something causes that something to be false, even if
> it is true. If God and/or an afterlife exist, "almost surely" such have an
> existence that is independent of whether one individual is a believer or not.
> On this point very wide agreement exists between believers and non-believers!
>
> In some sense, I think that religious faith is anti-realism on steroids. It
> is the polar opposite of scientific realism, and as there are practically a
> limitless set of beliefs, why favor one set over the practically infinite
> sets of other beliefs??
>
> Dawn

Fascinating. You seem to have a very nimble mind. Are you working as a
scientist? Did friends and family become disappointed in you when you left
the church?

When it comes to heaven being conditional upon believing, I always thought
that absurd. To me it always felt like making a potential god like a cheap
merchant... "hey, if you believe this, then you're in, if not, then bye,
bye".

Somehow that seems to be very far from love, intelligence and
spirituality. And that is of course not even mentioning the problems of
the deiversity of beliefs and who is right.

I think christian universalism thoughts long similar lines, trying to
remove the absurd stuff from christianity and the bible.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17CD15809729629555@185.151.15.190...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>>>> threats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>>>
>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>>>
>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>>>
>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>>>
>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>>
>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>>> innocent people.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> The Bible answers all of your
>> questions and more.
>
>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>
> Can't answer the question, I see.
>
> No surprise there.............

Although it is answered, you cannot
understand. Thus suggesting you
have a problem with wickedness.

"None of the wicked will understand,
those who are wise will understand."
~ Daniel 12:10

Only when you are willing to forsake
your wickedness,will you be able to
understand.

"Maximus" wrote in message news:lbdfa4Fpt7cU1@mid.individual.net...
> Creon wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>>> Atheism is a belief,
>
>> Wrong-o. It's a lack of a belief. It's right there
>> in the name: _A_theist.
>
> technically you are correct. atheism means without theism, ie. not
> theist. however, since theism is belief in the existence of a divine
> being, not believing in the existence of a divine being. ie. believing a
> divine being does not exist, is also atheism. ie. not theist

However if you are unable to explain WHO
did it, THEN your belief system is ----->>
*intellectually indefensible*.

Because evidence points to the fact that...
some super intelligent Agency...did it.

Yes.

On 5/25/2024 4:45 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 24 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2024 3:28 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/24 11:27 AM, Creon wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:10:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2n492$1mrbg$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael.  It's just that some of us
>>>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling down
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ~~~~   The *Ship of Fools*  ~~~~.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>>>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice try, terrorist scum.
>>>>
>>>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
>>>> terrors about dying and going to Hell.  When I found out that Hell is
>>>> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>
>>> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you
>>> came to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and
>>> change, especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.
>>
>> Oh, that's simple.  I got interested in science, and from there, I
>> learned the scientific method gradually over time.  Scientists are
>> constantly testing their theories and models; one school of thought
>> within Science says that it is not so much about proving a scientific
>> theory as being true as trying to prove that it is not, the principle
>> of falsification.  Of course, falsification is not necessarily a
>> black/white proposition (soft v. hard sciences), but all scientists,
>> without exception, collect data and empirically analyze it.
>>
>> God may exist, and there may be afterlife, but it is absurd, in my
>> opinion, to hold that one's faith, hopes and/or beliefs are somehow
>> "causal", that merely believing something causes that something to be
>> true, even if it is not, and not believing something causes that
>> something to be false, even if it is true.  If God and/or an afterlife
>> exist, "almost surely" such have an existence that is independent of
>> whether one individual is a believer or not. On this point very wide
>> agreement exists between believers and non-believers!
>>
>> In some sense, I think that religious faith is anti-realism on
>> steroids.  It is the polar opposite of scientific realism, and as
>> there are practically a limitless set of beliefs, why favor one set
>> over the practically infinite sets of other beliefs??
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Fascinating. You seem to have a very nimble mind. Are you working as a
> scientist? Did friends and family become disappointed in you when you
> left the church?
>

It varied. Some were disappointed, others were not. I was one of the
very few people in my evangelical Protestant church to have been
formally "excommunicated"!

And, I am not a working scientist; my grades in college were not good
enough. I went into IT, and have made an inconsistent living since then.

Dawn

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:ALx4O.73443$GBx.58528@fx05.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB17CD15809729629555@185.151.15.190...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael.� What you find funny
>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>>>>> threats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>>>>
>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>>>
>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>>>> innocent people.
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> The Bible answers all of your
>>> questions and more.
>>
>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>>
>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>>
>> No surprise there.............
>
> Although it is answered, you cannot
> understand. Thus suggesting you
> have a problem with wickedness.
>

"The answer is in the Bible
somewhere, look it up yourself"

Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
evasion already, find another.

> "None of the wicked will understand,
> those who are wise will understand."
> ~ Daniel 12:10
>
> Only when you are willing to forsake
> your wickedness,will you be able to
> understand.
>
>

On Sun, 26 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/25/2024 4:45 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 24 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2024 3:28 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/23/24 11:27 AM, Creon wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2024 08:10:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2n492$1mrbg$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael.  It's just that some of us
>>>>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling down
>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ~~~~   The *Ship of Fools*  ~~~~.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has
>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>>>>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail away
>>>>>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice try, terrorist scum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
>>>>> terrors about dying and going to Hell.  When I found out that Hell is
>>>>> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you
>>>> came to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and
>>>> change, especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.
>>>
>>> Oh, that's simple.  I got interested in science, and from there, I learned
>>> the scientific method gradually over time.  Scientists are constantly
>>> testing their theories and models; one school of thought within Science
>>> says that it is not so much about proving a scientific theory as being
>>> true as trying to prove that it is not, the principle of falsification. 
>>> Of course, falsification is not necessarily a black/white proposition
>>> (soft v. hard sciences), but all scientists, without exception, collect
>>> data and empirically analyze it.
>>>
>>> God may exist, and there may be afterlife, but it is absurd, in my
>>> opinion, to hold that one's faith, hopes and/or beliefs are somehow
>>> "causal", that merely believing something causes that something to be
>>> true, even if it is not, and not believing something causes that something
>>> to be false, even if it is true.  If God and/or an afterlife exist,
>>> "almost surely" such have an existence that is independent of whether one
>>> individual is a believer or not. On this point very wide agreement exists
>>> between believers and non-believers!
>>>
>>> In some sense, I think that religious faith is anti-realism on steroids. 
>>> It is the polar opposite of scientific realism, and as there are
>>> practically a limitless set of beliefs, why favor one set over the
>>> practically infinite sets of other beliefs??
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Fascinating. You seem to have a very nimble mind. Are you working as a
>> scientist? Did friends and family become disappointed in you when you left
>> the church?
>>
>
> It varied. Some were disappointed, others were not. I was one of the very
> few people in my evangelical Protestant church to have been formally
> "excommunicated"!

Wow! Excommunicated? Talk about a badge of honor! ;)

> And, I am not a working scientist; my grades in college were not good enough.
> I went into IT, and have made an inconsistent living since then.
>
> Dawn

I should have known. I think most of the citizens of usenet tend to be
IT-people for natural reasons. ;)

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17E5A53CC55E629555@185.151.15.190...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>>>>>> threats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>>>>> innocent people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>
>>>> The Bible answers all of your
>>>> questions and more.
>>>
>>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>>>
>>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>>>
>>> No surprise there.............
>>
>> Although it is answered, you cannot
>> understand. Thus suggesting you
>> have a problem with wickedness.
>
> "The answer is in the Bible
> somewhere, look it up yourself"
>
> Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
> evasion already, find another.

Only when you are willing to forsake
your wickedness,will you be able to
understand.

"None of the wicked will understand,
those who are wise will understand."
~ Daniel 12:10

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2pq1b$29g99$2@dont-email.me...
> D wrote:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> Creon wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael. It's just that some of us
>>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling
>>>>>> down below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~ The *Ship of Fools* ~~~~.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one has ever
>>>>> returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool. The gold,
>>>>> cotton and the pearls.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail away
>>>>> from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip, baby
>>>>>
>>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>>
>>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>>
>>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>>
>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>
>>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have night
>>> terrors about dying and going to Hell. When I found out that Hell is
>>> located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how you
>> came to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize and
>> change, especially if a lot of friends and family are into the sect.
>
> Oh, that's simple. I got interested in science, and from there,
> I learned the scientific method gradually over time. Scientists
> are constantly testing their theories and models;

Intelligent design uses the scientific method to detect the hallmarks
of design in both living systems and the universe at large If one is
honest and goes by 'science' they must invariably acknowledge the
evidence of ~design~ all throughout the Creation. That is a fact.

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2pq1b$29g99$2@dont-email.me...
> In some sense, I think that religious faith is anti-realism on steroids.
> It is the polar opposite of scientific realism, and as there are
> practically a limitless set of beliefs, why favor one set over the
> practically infinite sets of other beliefs??
>
> Dawn

Religion and science are opposed....but only in
the same sense as that in which my thumb and
forefingerare opposed - and between the two,
one can grasp everything.

~ Sir William Bragg, Nobel Prize in Physics

Andrew wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17E5A53CC55E629555@185.151.15.190...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
> >>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
> >>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
> >>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
> >>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
> >>>>>>>>> threats.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
> >>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
> >>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
> >>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
> >>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
> >>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
> >>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
> >>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
> >>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
> >>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
> >>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
> >>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
> >>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
> >>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
> >>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
> >>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
> >>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
> >>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
> >>>>> innocent people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why is that?
> >>>>
> >>>> The Bible answers all of your
> >>>> questions and more.
> >>>
> >>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
> >>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
> >>>
> >>> Can't answer the question, I see.
> >>>
> >>> No surprise there.............
> >>
> >> Although it is answered, you cannot
> >> understand. Thus suggesting you
> >> have a problem with wickedness.
> >
> > "The answer is in the Bible
> > somewhere, look it up yourself"
> >
> > Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
> > evasion already, find another.
>
> Only when you are willing to forsake
> your wickedness,will you be able to
> understand.
>
> "None of the wicked will understand,
> those who are wise will understand."
> ~ Daniel 12:10

Lol. It's the old "the bible is proven, but you can't
understand the proof unless you believe the bible
totally."

Another form of assuming the conclusion.

El Kabong <twang@the.noodle> wrote in
news:gak85jd32af631s3vv9t2o3r18qv775m1p@4ax.com:

> Andrew wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB17E5A53CC55E629555@185.151.15.190...
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael.� What you find funny
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>> >>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>> >>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>> >>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>> >>>>>>>>> threats.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>> >>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>> >>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>> >>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>> >>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>> >>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>> >>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>> >>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>> >>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>> >>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>> >>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>> >>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>> >>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>> >>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>> >>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>> >>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>> >>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>> >>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>> >>>>> innocent people.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Why is that?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Bible answers all of your
>> >>>> questions and more.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>> >>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>> >>>
>> >>> No surprise there.............
>> >>
>> >> Although it is answered, you cannot
>> >> understand. Thus suggesting you
>> >> have a problem with wickedness.
>> >
>> > "The answer is in the Bible
>> > somewhere, look it up yourself"
>> >
>> > Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
>> > evasion already, find another.
>>
>> Only when you are willing to forsake
>> your wickedness,will you be able to
>> understand.
>>
>> "None of the wicked will understand,
>> those who are wise will understand."
>> ~ Daniel 12:10
>
> Lol. It's the old "the bible is proven, but you can't
> understand the proof unless you believe the bible
> totally."

You know you have won the argument
when you get a "you just have to have
faith" response........

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:%BX4O.111248$SC98.84838@fx15.ams4:

> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v2pq1b$29g99$2@dont-email.me...
>> D wrote:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> Creon wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all sail on the same ship, Michael. It's just that some of us
>>>>>>> choose to spend our time up on the deck as opposed to scowling
>>>>>>> down below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~ The *Ship of Fools* ~~~~.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We're setting sail. To the place on the map From which no one
>>>>>> has ever returned Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool.
>>>>>> The gold, cotton and the pearls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the place where they keep all the darkness you need.You sail
>>>>>> away from the light of the world (away from Jesus) on this trip,
>>>>>> baby
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Together they ride the ship into Hell,
>>>>>> with pools of fire lapping in the wake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They listen as the bellman tolls.......,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Forward on into the brimstone lake!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Damnation doctrine is spiritual terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>> Growing up in a fundamentalist Christian church, I used to have
>>>> night terrors about dying and going to Hell. When I found out that
>>>> Hell is located in New Jersey, it wasn't such a big deal.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> You did? Would you mind sharing the experience and process of how
>>> you came to become an atheist? It must be quite difficult to realize
>>> and change, especially if a lot of friends and family are into the
>>> sect.
>>
>> Oh, that's simple. I got interested in science, and from there,
>> I learned the scientific method gradually over time. Scientists
>> are constantly testing their theories and models;
>
> Intelligent design uses the scientific method to detect the hallmarks
> of design in both living systems and the universe at large

"Those stars are lined up in the
shape of a bear. Proof of design!"

"The moon seems to have a human
face. Proof of design!"

"Our atmosphere is perferctly
suited for us to breathe. Proof
of design!"

You can find design in anything
if you want to..........

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB17F6268E5ECF629555@185.151.15.160...
> El Kabong wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>>> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> >>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> >>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>> >>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>> >>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>> >>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>> >>>>>>>>> threats.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>> >>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>> >>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>> >>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>> >>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>> >>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>> >>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>> >>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>> >>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>> >>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>> >>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>> >>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>> >>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>> >>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>> >>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>> >>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>> >>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>>> >>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>>> >>>>> innocent people.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Why is that?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The Bible answers all of your
>>> >>>> questions and more.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>>> >>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No surprise there.............
>>> >>
>>> >> Although it is answered, you cannot
>>> >> understand. Thus suggesting you
>>> >> have a problem with wickedness.
>>> >
>>> > "The answer is in the Bible
>>> > somewhere, look it up yourself"
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
>>> > evasion already, find another.
>>>
>>> Only when you are willing to forsake
>>> your wickedness,will you be able to
>>> understand.
>>>
>>> "None of the wicked will understand,
>>> those who are wise will understand."
>>> ~ Daniel 12:10
>>
>> Lol. It's the old "the bible is proven, but you can't
>> understand the proof unless you believe the bible
>> totally."
>
> You know you have won the argument
> when you get a "you just have to have
> faith" response........

"Those who are unspiritual don't accept the
things from God's Spirit. They are foolishness
to them and can't be understood, because they
can only be comprehended in a spiritual way."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14

If one has decidedly rejected Jesus, they will
then find excuse to reject whatever He said.

If you reject His offer of salvation then you
will be destined to die in your sins, and thus
face the Judgemet with no advocate for your
defense.

"If you do not believe that I am He,
you will die in your sins." ~ Jesus

"El Kabong" wrote in message news:gak85jd32af631s3vv9t2o3r18qv775m1p@4ax.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael. What you find funny
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>> >>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>> >>>>>>>>>. ending nowhere!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>> >>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>> >>>>>>>>> threats.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>> >>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>> >>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>> >>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>> >>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>> >>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>> >>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>> >>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>> >>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>> >>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>> >>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>> >>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>> >>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>> >>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>> >>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>> >>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>> >>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>> >>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>> >>>>> innocent people.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Why is that?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Bible answers all of your
>> >>>> questions and more.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>> >>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>> >>>
>> >>> No surprise there.............
>> >>
>> >> Although it is answered, you cannot
>> >> understand. Thus suggesting you
>> >> have a problem with wickedness.
>> >
>> > "The answer is in the Bible
>> > somewhere, look it up yourself"
>> >
>> > Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
>> > evasion already, find another.
>>
>> Only when you are willing to forsake
>> your wickedness,will you be able to
>> understand.
>>
>> "None of the wicked will understand,
>> those who are wise will understand."
>> ~ Daniel 12:10
>
> Lol. It's the old "the bible is proven, but you can't
> understand the proof unless you believe the bible
> totally."

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
But to the carnal mind, it is foolishness.

"For to be carnally minded is death;"
~ Romans 8:6

On 28/05/2024 12:42 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> El Kabong <twang@the.noodle> wrote in
> news:gak85jd32af631s3vv9t2o3r18qv775m1p@4ax.com:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB17E5A53CC55E629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more I watch this the funnier it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TVKceAm7toY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is click-bait, Michael.Ā What you find funny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to others may be disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, for goodness sake, Dawn, you are getting more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic than Maximus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists: going nowhere, knowing nowhere, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> . ending nowhere!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is born an atheist. Religion
>>>>>>>>>>>> has to taught, learned, and enforced with
>>>>>>>>>>>> threats.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet the fanatical atheistic regimes of China,
>>>>>>>>>>> N.Korea and old Russia have been foremost
>>>>>>>>>>> in the slaughter of the innocents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You miss the point. Your religion
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't care about the innocents, it
>>>>>>>>>> delights in slaughtering the innocents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet you are still with us!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Total number killed by God in the Bible
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Flood of Noah..........20,000,000
>>>>>>>>>> Abraham's war to rescue Lot.....1,000
>>>>>>>>>> Sodom and Gomorrah..............2,000
>>>>>>>>>> Lot's wife..........................1
>>>>>>>>>> Dinah's brethren slew all males..1,000
>>>>>>>>>> A seven year worldwide famine...70,000
>>>>>>>>>> The first plague of Egypt.......10,000
>>>>>>>>>> The seventh plague: hail........300,000
>>>>>>>>>> Firstborn Egyptian children.....500,000
>>>>>>>>>> Amalekites................... 1,000
>>>>>>>>>> Golden Calf Worshippers.........3,000
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaxtdarz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You miss the point. The entire human
>>>>>>>>> race before us this day..have died. This
>>>>>>>>> goes way beyond your little list above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your god loves humanity, life
>>>>>>>> is sacred, but he keeps killing
>>>>>>>> innocent people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Bible answers all of your
>>>>>>> questions and more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your ignorance is inexcusable.
>>>>>>> bringing you to absurd conclusions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't answer the question, I see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No surprise there.............
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it is answered, you cannot
>>>>> understand. Thus suggesting you
>>>>> have a problem with wickedness.
>>>>
>>>> "The answer is in the Bible
>>>> somewhere, look it up yourself"
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, Artie/Joe used that
>>>> evasion already, find another.
>>>
>>> Only when you are willing to forsake
>>> your wickedness,will you be able to
>>> understand.
>>>
>>> "None of the wicked will understand,
>>> those who are wise will understand."
>>> ~ Daniel 12:10
>>
>> Lol. It's the old "the bible is proven, but you can't
>> understand the proof unless you believe the bible
>> totally."
>
>
> You know you have won the argument
> when you get a "you just have to have
> faith" response........

The faith that a man has in himself being right is quite a large call.

What is his basis?

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."