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* What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.Max Boot
+- Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.Klaus Schadenfreude
`* Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.clayburn
 +* Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.Siri Cruise
 |`- Re: What's in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.Dave Wainwright
 `* Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.Max Boot
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Subject: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
From: Max Boot
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A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was honoring the
community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.

May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT

Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are restored at two schools”:

When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the names of
Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary School, one board member
praised Jackson, saying: “When you read about this man — who he was, what he
stood for, his character, his loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man he was —
those standards that he had were much higher than any leadership of the school
system in 2020.”

The board is wrong about their predecessors, wrong about who they are honoring
and made the wrong decision to change the names back.

Whom we honor reflects our values. By naming schools after Jackson, Turner Ashby
and Robert E. Lee, Shenandoah County tells its children and the world that the
Confederacy’s values are their values.

What are Confederate principles?

The first of these is treason, the only crime specifically mentioned in the U.S.
Constitution. Lee took an oath “to obey the orders of the President” and “bear
true faith and allegiance to the United States of America” on March 30, 1861,
when he was promoted to colonel in the U.S. Army. Just three weeks later, he
abrogated his oath and joined the Virginia militia. Lee’s decision made him an
outlier: Of the about nine U.S. Army colonels from Virginia in 1861, the others
remained loyal to the United States. Lee, and only Lee, chose treason.

The second Confederate principle was the preservation and expansion of the moral
abomination of slavery. As Confederacy Vice President Alexander Stephens said in
his infamous Cornerstone Speech, in 1861, “Our new government … rests, upon the
great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery,
subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.”

And the supposed martial valor of Confederate soldiers and generals is not worth
honoring either. The Confederates fought for an immoral cause in immoral ways.
Lee’s and Jackson’s armies relied on enslaved people for their logistics. In
1862, when Jackson and Lee went north into Maryland for the Antietam campaign,
their armies captured free Black people and brought them back to Virginia for
enslavement.

The decision to name schools after Confederates was no misty reflection on a
misremembered past, though it would be bad enough if that were true. Instead,
these names were chosen as a further affront to Black Americans and the cause of
equality.

In 1954, after the Supreme Court ruled school segregation unconstitutional,
Virginia Sen. Harry Byrd called the decision federal overreach and “the greatest
crisis since the war between the states.” The White South’s “massive resistance”
to school integration became another battle in a dormant civil war.

In 1956, Virginia enacted laws that would punish schools that integrated with
the loss of state funds and that allowed the governor to shut such school
systems entirely; two years later, the state shuttered schools in
Charlottesville, Norfolk and Warren County rather than admit Black students.
When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1959 that the school closures were
unconstitutional, Virginia’s White leaders searched for new ways to make schools
inhospitable to Black students.

During this period, Virginia named hundreds of schools and streets after
Confederates. Alexandria, my hometown, passed a law naming all new streets
running north and south after Confederates and naming segregated Black
elementary schools after Lee and Jackson.

As we approach Memorial Day, we should honor those who fought for the United
States of America. Shenandoah County has plenty of loyal native sons whose names
deserve to grace its school buildings. Charles E. Heishman from Edinburg, Va.,
died in France in World War I. Fifty-two men from Shenandoah County gave their
lives in World War II. Army Specialist William Boyd Reedy from Woodstock was
killed in action in Vietnam in 1969.

Rather than bestowing undeserved laurels on Confederate traitors, people in
Virginia, and everywhere, should commemorate those who, in President Abraham
Lincoln’s words, “gave the last full measure of devotion” to the United States.

Ty Seidule, Clinton, N.Y.

The writer, a retired brigadier general, served as vice chairman of the
Congressional Naming Commission and is the author of “Robert E. Lee and Me: A
Southerner’s Reckoning With the Myth of the Lost Cause.” He teaches at Hamilton
College.

https://wapo.st/44MzEaC

Honoring southern traitors is unambiguously wrong.

Subject: Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
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[Default] Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> typed:

>“When you read about this man — who he was, what he
>stood for, his character, his loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man he was —
>those standards that he had were much higher than any leadership of the school
>system in 2020.”

Rudy has none of these traits, of course.

What "Cunt Flaps" *really* hates about Stonewall Jackson is that he
towers over Rudy's dwarfish stature.

Subject: Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
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On 5/19/2024 1:31 PM, Max Boot wrote:
> A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was honoring the
> community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.
>
> May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT
>
> Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are restored at
> two schools”:
>
> When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the names
> of Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary School, one
> board member praised Jackson, saying: “When you read about this man —
> who he was, what he stood for, his character, his loyalty, his
> leadership, how godly a man he was — those standards that he had were
> much higher than any leadership of the school system in 2020.”
>
> The board is wrong

No they were right. Liberals are stupid for thinking they can rewrite
history in the first place.

He was a better, more honorable man than Joe Biden.

Subject: Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
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clayburn wrote:
> On 5/19/2024 1:31 PM, Max Boot wrote:
>> A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was
>> honoring the community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.
>>
>> May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT
>>
>> Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are
>> restored at two schools”:
>>
>> When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the
>> names of Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary
>> School, one board member praised Jackson, saying: “When you read
>> about this man — who he was, what he stood for, his character,
>> his loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man he was — those
>> standards that he had were much higher than any leadership of
>> the school system in 2020.”
>>
>> The board is wrong
>
> No they were right.  Liberals are stupid for thinking they can
> rewrite history in the first place.
>
> He was a better, more honorable man than Joe Biden.
>

Proud graduate of Communist Martyrs High School.

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Subject: Re: What’s in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
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On 5/19/2024 2:33 PM, clayburn wrote:
> On 5/19/2024 1:31 PM, Max Boot wrote:
>> A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was honoring the
>> community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.
>>
>> May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT
>>
>> Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are restored at two
>> schools”:
>>
>> When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the names of
>> Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary School, one board
>> member praised Jackson, saying: “When you read about this man — who he was,
>> what he stood for, his character, his loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man
>> he was — those standards that he had were much higher than any leadership of
>> the school system in 2020.”
>>
>> The board is wrong
>
> No they were right.  Liberals are stupid for thinking they can rewrite history
> in the first place.

Removing memorials to traitors is not rewriting history. The memorials are not
history. They are memorials to *fake* history, i.e. to lies.

> He was a better, more honorable man than Joe Biden.

All southern traitors are filth.

Subject: Re: What's in a name? Everything, if it honors treason and slavery.
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On 5/20/2024 10:44 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> clayburn wrote:
>> On 5/19/2024 1:31 PM, Max Boot wrote:
>>> A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was honoring
>>> the community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.
>>>
>>> May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT
>>>
>>> Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are restored at
>>> two schools”:
>>>
>>> When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the
>>> names of Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary
>>> School, one board member praised Jackson, saying: “When you read
>>> about this man — who he was, what he stood for, his character, his
>>> loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man he was — those standards
>>> that he had were much higher than any leadership of the school system
>>> in 2020.”
>>>
>>> The board is wrong
>>
>> No they were right.  Liberals are stupid for thinking they can rewrite
>> history in the first place.
>>
>> He was a better, more honorable man than Joe Biden.
>>
>
> Proud graduate of Communist Martyrs High School.

You get an F. Confederates weren't even close to communists.

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On 5/20/2024 10:46 AM, Max Boot wrote:
> On 5/19/2024 2:33 PM, clayburn wrote:
>> On 5/19/2024 1:31 PM, Max Boot wrote:
>>> A school board said renaming schools after Confederates was honoring
>>> the community’s heritage. Readers had other ideas.
>>>
>>> May 17, 2024 at 2:56 p.m. EDT
>>>
>>> Regarding the May 11 Metro article “Confederate names are restored at
>>> two schools”:
>>>
>>> When the Shenandoah County School Board voted 5-1 to restore the
>>> names of Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary
>>> School, one board member praised Jackson, saying: “When you read
>>> about this man — who he was, what he stood for, his character, his
>>> loyalty, his leadership, how godly a man he was — those standards
>>> that he had were much higher than any leadership of the school system
>>> in 2020.”
>>>
>>> The board is wrong
>>
>> No they were right.  Liberals are stupid for thinking they can rewrite
>> history in the first place.
>
> Removing memorials to traitors is not rewriting history. The memorials
> are not history. They are memorials to *fake* history, i.e. to lies.
>
>> He was a better, more honorable man than Joe Biden.
>
> All southern traitors are filth.

You get an F too.

The majority of Southerners who could afford to do so, sent their
children to Eastern US schools for decades. Easterners made them who
they were.

We all know what kind of poison spewed from those places. Massachusetts
was an original birthplace of slavery in the USA. The Salem witch
trials were responsible for the deaths of many innocent people.

In modern times the reviled Eastern queers migrated across country to
Seattle, Portland and San Francisco, ruining those places into poverty,
drugs, homelessness and filth.

Some politicians built their careers on queers. See "Baltimore Nancy"
Pelosi, the paragon of ethics in the US Congress.

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