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* Re: Christ of the Old TestamentKaptain Krunch
`* Re: Christ of the Old TestamentJeanne Douglas
 `* Re: Christ of the Old TestamentVirgil
  `* Re: Christ of the Old TestamentKaptain Krunch
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Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: Kaptain Krunch
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From: pilgrim2@polypen.com (Kaptain Krunch)
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Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
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In article <8984764f-21fc-4b93-99ca-7313939ae061@googlegroups.com>,
Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are many trees in Paradise, Genesis says, not just the Tree of the
> Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. Jewish/Christian/Mandaean
> tradition is that the trees are allegory.
>
DENIED. Whatever it was (the tree of Knowledge) it killed the entire
human race except 3 people.
>
> Ezekiel talks about the Trees, where Eden and the desired Second Temple are a
> dream vision, all mixed together. It's clearly allegory.
>
AGREED
>
> Philo and the Historical Jesus and the Mandaean followers of John the Baptist
> list 5 trees. Philo's and the Mandaean list are close to the same. Jesus
> doesn't list them. Philo says flat out explicitly the Trees are allegory. The
> Jesus and Mandaean Trees are very similar. Do/did the Mandaeans and did Jesus
> consider it allegory? Jesus more than the Mandaeans. Hard to say about the
> Mandaeans, it's secret, they are mad at Jesus for blabbing their secrets.
>
WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"? It is the biblical Jesus that
is real. PHILO? is that Philo's Deli in Alexandria? He gave up his
past food job to talk about philosophy. Mandaeans?? They throw part of
the Bible away because it (the Bible) doesn't appreciate some of the
things they are doing.
>
MORE: Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the World and that is no allegory.
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life"
(John 3 KJV)
Jimbo

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http://www.olypen.com/gerrit/index.php

Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: Jeanne Douglas
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In article <pilgrim2-815D75.06194812042016@news.giganews.com>,
Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:

> In article <8984764f-21fc-4b93-99ca-7313939ae061@googlegroups.com>,
> Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are many trees in Paradise, Genesis says, not just the Tree of the
> > Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. Jewish/Christian/Mandaean
> > tradition is that the trees are allegory.
> >
> DENIED. Whatever it was (the tree of Knowledge) it killed the entire
> human race except 3 people.
> >
> > Ezekiel talks about the Trees, where Eden and the desired Second Temple are
> > a
> > dream vision, all mixed together. It's clearly allegory.
> >
> AGREED
> >
> > Philo and the Historical Jesus and the Mandaean followers of John the
> > Baptist
> > list 5 trees. Philo's and the Mandaean list are close to the same. Jesus
> > doesn't list them. Philo says flat out explicitly the Trees are allegory.
> > The
> > Jesus and Mandaean Trees are very similar. Do/did the Mandaeans and did
> > Jesus
> > consider it allegory? Jesus more than the Mandaeans. Hard to say about the
> > Mandaeans, it's secret, they are mad at Jesus for blabbing their secrets.
> >
> WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"? It is the biblical Jesus that
> is real.

Prove it.

--

JD

"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14

Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: Virgil
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In article <pilgrim2-815D75.06194812042016@news.giganews.com>,
Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:

> WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"?
> It is the biblical Jesus that is real.

How can the myth be reality if the reality is mythic?
--
Virgil
"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)

Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: Kaptain Krunch
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From: pilgrim2@polypen.com (Kaptain Krunch)
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In article <VIRGIL-950BD4.21121612042016@news.giganews.com>,
Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> wrote:

> In article <pilgrim2-815D75.06194812042016@news.giganews.com>,
> Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"?
> > It is the biblical Jesus that is real.
>
> How can the myth be reality if the reality is mythic?
>
GREAT QUESTION. Here is a great statement. "God so loved the world
that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3 KJV)
See how easy it is?
Jimbo

--
http://www.olypen.com/gerrit/index.php

Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: Jeanne Douglas
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In article <pilgrim2-92BB86.18480613042016@news.giganews.com>,
Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:

> In article <VIRGIL-950BD4.21121612042016@news.giganews.com>,
> Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <pilgrim2-815D75.06194812042016@news.giganews.com>,
> > Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"?
> > > It is the biblical Jesus that is real.
> >
> > How can the myth be reality if the reality is mythic?
> >
> GREAT QUESTION. Here is a great statement. "God so loved the world
> that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him
> should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3 KJV)

What does that quote have to do with the question you were asked? And
what does it have to do with the real world?

--

JD

"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14

Subject: Re: Christ of the Old Testament
From: duke
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:48:06 -0700, Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:

>In article <VIRGIL-950BD4.21121612042016@news.giganews.com>,
> Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <pilgrim2-815D75.06194812042016@news.giganews.com>,
>> Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > WHO CARES about the "historical Jesus"?
>> > It is the biblical Jesus that is real.
>>
>> How can the myth be reality if the reality is mythic?
>>
>GREAT QUESTION. Here is a great statement. "God so loved the world
>that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him
>should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3 KJV)
>See how easy it is?
>Jimbo

Virgil's goose is cooked, carved and consumed.

the dukester, American-American

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