Skeeter wrote:
> twang@the.noodle says...
> > Skeeter wrote:
> > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > > > > > > > > >  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > > > > > > > > > can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He created it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > > > > eternal universe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Twist it around as usual.
> > > >
> > > > You said it, not me.
> > > >
> > > > > If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > >
> > > > Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > > something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > > omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > >
> > > If it was created it had a beginning.
> >
> > So?
>
> Spnak!

You are running away again, skeetzoid.

In article <qo963ihgb1mkhgkol723fvc0a86osdm5sh@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > > > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > > On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > > > > > > > > > > can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He created it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > > > > > eternal universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twist it around as usual.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said it, not me.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > > > something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > > > omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > > >
> > > > If it was created it had a beginning.
> > >
> > > So?
> >
> > Spnak!
>
> You are running away again, skeetzoid.

Same old bullshit you spew when I put you in a corner.

On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>
>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>
>>> So?
>>
>> Spnak!
>
> You are running away again, skeetzoid.

Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).

That is because you are a fool atheist, El Got Nothing on the train to
Nowhere! :-).

Michael

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
> twang@the.noodle says...
>>
>> Skeeter wrote:
>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>
>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>
>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>> eternal universe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>
>> You said it, not me.
>>
>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>
>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>
> If it was created it had a beginning.

You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?

In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.

Sylvia.

Michael McLean wrote:
> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > Skeeter wrote:
> >> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>>>>> eternal universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You said it, not me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >>>>
> >>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> >>>
> >>> So?
> >>
> >> Spnak!
> >
> > You are running away again, skeetzoid.
>
> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).

I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
It's your way of diving into the weeds when
you can't hold your own.

Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?

<snip 5 year oldisms>

Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> > twang@the.noodle says...
> >> Skeeter wrote:
> >>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>> eternal universe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>
> >> You said it, not me.
> >>
> >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>
> >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >
> > If it was created it had a beginning.
>
> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?

An eternal universe can have a beginning. If it lasts
forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity
ago and ends now, it's still eternal.

Eternal just means "having infinite duration".
<https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal>

> In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
> contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
>
> Sylvia.

Or, can God create itself?

It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to
invent.

On 10/04/2023 1:58 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> Michael McLean wrote:
>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?
>>>>
>>>> Spnak!
>>>
>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
>>
>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
>
> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> you can't hold your own.
>
> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
>
> <snip 5 year oldisms>

Now you know why you have a sore ass, El Moron. :-).

A second reason. :-))))))))))))))))).

Fool.

Michael

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 10/04/2023 2:41 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>
>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>
>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>
>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>
>> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
>
> An eternal universe can have a beginning.

Moron atheism at its best! :-)))))))))))))))))))))).

Fools.

No beginning, El Dipshit!

So they make up a theory! :-).

What a fuckin' idiot!

Serves you right, El Cretin!

Michael

If it lasts
> forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity
> ago and ends now, it's still eternal.
>
> Eternal just means "having infinite duration".
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal>
>
>> In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
>> contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Or, can God create itself?
>
> It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to
> invent.

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

In article <k9h6mjFd4pfU5@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid
says...
>
> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
> > twang@the.noodle says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter wrote:
> >>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>> eternal universe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>
> >> You said it, not me.
> >>
> >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>
> >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >
> > If it was created it had a beginning.
>
> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?

If it was created it can't be eternal.
>
> In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
> contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
>
Nice spin.

In article <u2273i5t223mre4t6fn30o9d9lc2feq0sv@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Michael McLean wrote:
> > On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > > Skeeter wrote:
> > >> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > >>>>>>> eternal universe.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You said it, not me.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > >>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> > >>>
> > >>> So?
> > >>
> > >> Spnak!
> > >
> > > You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> >
> > Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
>
> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> you can't hold your own.
>
> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
>
If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?

In article <eu273it4punnqpcj8mtmk6ham539ccbrtu@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > >> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> He created it?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > >>>> eternal universe.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Twist it around as usual.
> > >>
> > >> You said it, not me.
> > >>
> > >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > >>
> > >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > >
> > > If it was created it had a beginning.
> >
> > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
>
> An eternal universe can have a beginning. If it lasts
> forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity
> ago and ends now, it's still eternal.
>
> Eternal just means "having infinite duration".
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal>
>
> > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
> > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
> >
> > Sylvia.
>
> Or, can God create itself?
>
> It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to
> invent.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:22:27 +1000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else
<sylvia@email.invalid>:

>On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>
>>> You said it, not me.
>>>
>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>
>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>
>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>
>You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
>
He's using the first dictionary definition of "eternal",
which implies "always existed and always will" and ignoring
the second, which does not:

From the OED:

"1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always
existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life.

2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling;eternal
chatter."

IOW, word games.
>
>In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
>contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Skeeter wrote:
> twang@the.noodle says...
> > Michael McLean wrote:
> > > On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > >> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > >>>>>>> eternal universe.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You said it, not me.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > >>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So?
> > > >>
> > > >> Spnak!
> > > >
> > > > You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> > >
> > > Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
> >
> > I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> > It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> > you can't hold your own.
> >
> > Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
> >
> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?

Nope. Try again.

Skeeter wrote:
> twang@the.noodle says...
> > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> He created it?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > >>>> eternal universe.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Twist it around as usual.
> > > >>
> > > >> You said it, not me.
> > > >>
> > > >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > > >
> > > > If it was created it had a beginning.
> > >
> > > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
> >
> > An eternal universe can have a beginning. If it lasts
> > forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity
> > ago and ends now, it's still eternal.
> >
> > Eternal just means "having infinite duration".
> > <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal>
> >
> > > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
> > > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> >
> > Or, can God create itself?
> >
> > It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to
> > invent.
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity

Nope. Irrelevant, but thanks for playing.

On 11/04/2023 12:41 am, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <u2273i5t223mre4t6fn30o9d9lc2feq0sv@4ax.com>,
> twang@the.noodle says...
>>
>> Michael McLean wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So?
>>>>>
>>>>> Spnak!
>>>>
>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
>>>
>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
>>
>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
>> you can't hold your own.
>>
>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
>>
> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?

Too much for the fool atheist brain to comprehend!

Michael

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 11/04/2023 3:03 am, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:22:27 +1000, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else
> <sylvia@email.invalid>:
>
>> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>
>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>
>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>
>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>
>> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
>>
> He's using the first dictionary definition of "eternal",
> which implies "always existed and always will" and ignoring
> the second, which does not:
>
> From the OED:
>
> "1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always
> existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life.
>
> 2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling;eternal
> chatter."
>
> IOW, word games.

One thing is for sure, you won't continue to be an eternal wank nowhere man!

How's that? :-).

Michael

>>
>> In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
>> contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
>>

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>> Michael McLean wrote:
>>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spnak!
>>>>>
>>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
>>>>
>>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
>>>
>>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
>>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
>>> you can't hold your own.
>>>
>>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
>>>
>> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
>
> Nope. Try again.

Moron fool atheist!

Michael

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 09:49:50 +1000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Michael McLean
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com>:

>On 11/04/2023 3:03 am, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:22:27 +1000, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else
>> <sylvia@email.invalid>:
>>
>>> On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>
>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>
>>> You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
>>>
>> He's using the first dictionary definition of "eternal",
>> which implies "always existed and always will" and ignoring
>> the second, which does not:
>>
>> From the OED:
>>
>> "1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always
>> existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life.
>>
>> 2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling;eternal
>> chatter."
>>
>> IOW, word games.
>
>One thing is for sure, you won't continue to be an eternal wank nowhere man!
>
Correct! And never have been!
>
>How's that? :-).
>
10 for 10!
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Michael McLean wrote:
> On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > Skeeter wrote:
> >> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>> Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Spnak!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
> >>>
> >>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> >>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> >>> you can't hold your own.
> >>>
> >>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
> >>>
> >> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
> >
> > Nope. Try again.
>
> Moron fool atheist!

Nope. Try again.

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> in sci.skeptic, posted by Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>:
> >On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> >> In article <2rs43i1cs7g6r661rrq234pj0ngcc4s7k9@4ax.com>,
> >> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>>> eternal universe.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>>
> >>> You said it, not me.
> >>>
> >>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>>
> >>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >>
> >> If it was created it had a beginning.
> >
> >You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
> >
> He's using the first dictionary definition of "eternal",
> which implies "always existed and always will" and ignoring
> the second, which does not:
>
> From the OED:
>
> "1.without beginning or end; lasting forever; always
> existing (opposed to temporal): eternal life.
>
> 2.perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal quarreling;eternal
> chatter."
>
> IOW, word games.

Eternal means simply "having infinite duration".

That could be from time=minus infinity to plus infinity,
minus infinity to now, or now to infinity. And beyond.
All infinite, all eternal.

(Time probably began with the big bang, so t=-infinity
would be fictitious anyway.)

In the context of religion, xtians are fond of prattling
about eternal life.

"14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted
up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3

Does that imply that humans have already lived an
infinite time? Unscriptural as hell! No, the bible
plainly says life can have a beginning and still be
eternal. The hellbound antichrists are selling heresy.

On 11/04/2023 4:52 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> Michael McLean wrote:
>> On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>> Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
>>>>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
>>>>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spnak!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
>>>>>
>>>>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
>>>>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
>>>>> you can't hold your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
>>>>>
>>>> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
>>>
>>> Nope. Try again.
>>
>> Moron fool atheist!
>
> Nope. Try again.

Moron fool atheist!

There you go, you self-created fool.

No charge.

Michael

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

In article <gs293i1j00jep34r2l50qjet3ln5b481kq@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > Michael McLean wrote:
> > > > On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > > > > Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > > >>>>>>> eternal universe.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> You said it, not me.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > > >>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > > >>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Spnak!
> > > > >
> > > > > You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> > > >
> > > > Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
> > >
> > > I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> > > It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> > > you can't hold your own.
> > >
> > > Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
> > >
> > If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
>
> Nope. Try again.

Yes and now you run.

In article <f8393ih2o5rphk5icd5apuph66us8hnbkd@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote:
> > > > > twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > > > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > > > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> He created it?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > > > >>>> eternal universe.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Twist it around as usual.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You said it, not me.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > > > >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > > > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it was created it had a beginning.
> > > >
> > > > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning?
> > >
> > > An eternal universe can have a beginning. If it lasts
> > > forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity
> > > ago and ends now, it's still eternal.
> > >
> > > Eternal just means "having infinite duration".
> > > <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal>
> > >
> > > > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in
> > > > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc.
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia.
> > >
> > > Or, can God create itself?
> > >
> > > It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to
> > > invent.
> >
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity
>
> Nope. Irrelevant, but thanks for playing.

He runs from another one.

In article <ms0a3i5p3vvbqvq13au3a43n24sr7abrca@4ax.com>,
twang@the.noodle says...
>
> Michael McLean wrote:
> > On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > > Skeeter wrote:
> > >> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>> Michael McLean wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> > >>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> > >>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> > >>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> > >>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Spnak!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
> > >>>
> > >>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> > >>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> > >>> you can't hold your own.
> > >>>
> > >>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
> > >>>
> > >> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
> > >
> > > Nope. Try again.
> >
> > Moron fool atheist!
>
> Nope. Try again.

So far everyone but you has it right.

Michael McLean <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 11/04/2023 4:52 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> > Michael McLean wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2023 8:23 am, El Kabong wrote:
> >>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>> Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/04/2023 7:03 am, El Kabong wrote:
> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> twang@the.noodle says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <k9cbpdFl0e1U4@mid.individual.net>, sylvia@email.invalid says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something.  No thing can create itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause.  Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He created it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> eternal universe.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twist it around as usual.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You said it, not me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If it was created it cannot be eternal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create
> >>>>>>>>>>> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not
> >>>>>>>>>>> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If it was created it had a beginning.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Spnak!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are running away again, skeetzoid.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you see how easy Skeeter kicks your ass? :-).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see how both of you do a lot of talking.
> >>>>> It's your way of diving into the weeds when
> >>>>> you can't hold your own.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why didn't you invent an omnipotent god?
> >>>>>
> >>>> If it has a beginning it can't be eternal. What is so hard about that?
> >>>
> >>> Nope. Try again.
> >>
> >> Moron fool atheist!
> >
> > Nope. Try again.

> There you go, you self-created fool.

Nope.

You really struggle to focus, don't you. Have you ever
been evaluated for ADHD?