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Subject: 1 John 1: 5-10...Two
From: Michael Christ
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Verses 5: is the born-again man.

(KJV)
1 John 1:5  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

A son of God does not walk in darkness or exchange the truth for a lie
(sin), but does the truth because he is in fellowship with His Lord
always, time without end. In Christ Jesus is no darkness at all, and so
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all." Chosen.

Verses 6-10 are for those who are called, for those who are not born
again, who are still striving in the vanity of their old man to be
righteous by their own strength through their bibles. Essentially, they
look to their bibles for salvation and the evidence to assure
themselves—which speaks volumes.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we
lie, and do not the truth:

Sinners walk in darkness (walk in exchanging the truth for a lie), and
so do not the truth. You can't fellowship with God and fellowship with
the world; serve two masters.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us
from all sin.

Walk with Him (opposite of the rich young ruler), in His light/truth
(takes faith, not leaning on your own understanding of the bible or
whatever), in fellowship with Him, and He covers you from condemnation
(the Messiah). Love covers a multitude of sins. This is what would have
happened to the rich young ruler if he had gone with the Lord.

So, the Lord will cover sinners in the time of their cleansing, their
washing, their chastening, and their disciplining, so that all
righteousness can be fulfilled in them. (2 Tim 3:17). Grace and mercy.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.

However, if the sinner is stubborn and resistant to the truth, he is
choosing to remain in his sin state.

1 John 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

However, if the sinner admits His sin, the Lord can continue in His
chastening, in His cleansing (not your own cleansing) until the time
appointed by Him when the work is done—by Him, of course.

1 John 1:10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
his word is not in us.

But if the sinner continues to belligerently and defiantly refuse to be
corrected and disciplined, then he will remain in his sin (e.g., he
slams the door in the Lord's face), and so the Lord cannot come into him
and transform him, and so cannot abide with him.

The unrepentant (those NOT in abhorrence of what they are, in dust and
ashes) are rejecting the love of the Lord, but that is the choice that
man has, a God-given free will choice.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."


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Subject: Re: 1 John 1: 5-10...Two
From: Robert
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On May 15, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <v23lid$138ip$3@dont-email.me>):

> 1 John 1:7
> But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
> one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us
> from all sin.

In Greek, the word used and translated “cleanseth” Connotes and on going
or continuous action of cleansing. I was going to mention this in another
post in reply to you but I forgot and left it out. Yes, the Lord led me to
that understanding many years ago, from the great using a lexicon, not a
dictionary. So don’t bother woofing others and LOL yes I know that you and
AI Rosie like to have the preeminence over all, but I’ll leave that for you
two to duke it out. ;)

3Jn 1:9 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have
the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

His motto was “to rule or ruin.” He was going to have his own way, and it
did not make any difference what the result might be

You peeps remind me of that verse. And I cannot shake the feeling that AI
Rosie is in reality servant under a different nym.

Subject: Re: 1 John 1: 5-10...Two
From: Michael Christ
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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com (Michael Christ)
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(and a snip back at cha)

Go and study what was written or stay where you are in nowhereland
religion pretending to be what you are not.

Your choice.

If you have a problem, ask a question, and stop dumping your nowhere
contexts like a turd on the lawn.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

Subject: Re: 1 John 1: 5-10...Two
From: Michael Christ
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On 16/05/2024 1:18 pm, ChristRose wrote:
> ========================
> On Wed, 15 May 2024 19:27:01 -0700,
> Article:<0001HW.2BF5A6750025290C30E08C38F@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Robert wrote:
> ========================
>
>> On May 15, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>> (in article <v23lid$138ip$3@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> 1 John 1:7
>>> But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
>>> one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us
>>> from all sin.
>>
>> In Greek, the word used and translated “cleanseth” Connotes and on going
>> or continuous action of cleansing. I was going to mention this in another
>> post in reply to you but I forgot and left it out. Yes, the Lord led me to
>> that understanding many years ago, from the great using a lexicon, not a
>> dictionary. So don’t bother woofing others and LOL yes I know that you and
>> AI Rosie like to have the preeminence over all, but I’ll leave that for you
>> two to duke it out. ;)
>
>
> No need to drag me into this. I've never
> said otherwise. In fact, I've been
> telling him this off and on, for the
> past 20 years. Here is his most recent
> response:
>
> ===========================
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:23:18 +1100,
> Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> <uqejqn$1nd1n$5@dont-email.me>
>
> I don't care about the meanings of
> words...
> ===========================
>
> Thus, it doesn't matter to "Michael", if
> the word is in the present tense. If he
> wants it to mean the aorist tense
> (meaning only at the point in time when
> you first become saved), then he thinks
> he just gets to issue an executive
> decree that changes the meaning of the
> word according to his desired theology.
>
>
>> 3Jn 1:9 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have
>> the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
>>
>> His motto was “to rule or ruin.” He was going to have his own way, and it
>> did not make any difference what the result might be
>>
>> You peeps remind me of that verse. And I cannot shake the feeling that AI
>> Rosie is in reality servant under a different nym.
>
>
> Buwahahahaha! Well, so much for your
> discernment. IMHO, you're a simp,
> though.

What snipping dick defiant and rebellious ChristRosie didn't learn, as
usual, was that he is not the meaning of words.

But he is a sinner perfectionist! :-).

The Lord tells you the meaning of words, not sinners, not men.

Michael Christ

> --
> Have you heard the good news Christ died
> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> from the dead?
>
> That Christ died for our sins shows
> we're sinners who deserve the death
> penalty. That God raised Him from the
> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> God's righteous demands against our sin
> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> God can now remain just, while forgiving
> you of your sins, and saving you from
> eternal damnation.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."


Click here to read the complete article
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Michael Christ wrote:

> On 16/05/2024 1:18 pm, ChristRose wrote:
> > ========================
> > On Wed, 15 May 2024 19:27:01 -0700,
> > Article:<0001HW.2BF5A6750025290C30E08C38F@news.eternal-september.org
> > >, Robert wrote:
> > ========================
> >
> > > On May 15, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > > (in article <v23lid$138ip$3@dont-email.me>):
> > >
> > > > 1 John 1:7
> > > > But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
> > > > fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his
> > > > Son cleanseth us from all sin.
> > >
> > > In Greek, the word used and translated “cleanseth” Connotes and
> > > on going or continuous action of cleansing. I was going to
> > > mention this in another post in reply to you but I forgot and
> > > left it out. Yes, the Lord led me to that understanding many
> > > years ago, from the great using a lexicon, not a dictionary. So
> > > don’t bother woofing others and LOL yes I know that you and AI
> > > Rosie like to have the preeminence over all, but I’ll leave that
> > > for you two to duke it out. ;)
> >
> >
> > No need to drag me into this. I've never
> > said otherwise. In fact, I've been
> > telling him this off and on, for the
> > past 20 years. Here is his most recent
> > response:
> >
> > ===========================
> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:23:18 +1100,
> > Michael Christ
> ><michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> > <uqejqn$1nd1n$5@dont-email.me>
> >
> > I don't care about the meanings of
> > words...
> > ===========================
> >
> > Thus, it doesn't matter to "Michael", if
> > the word is in the present tense. If he
> > wants it to mean the aorist tense
> > (meaning only at the point in time when
> > you first become saved), then he thinks
> > he just gets to issue an executive
> > decree that changes the meaning of the
> > word according to his desired theology.
> >
> >
> > > 3Jn 1:9 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who
> > > loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
> > >
> > > His motto was “to rule or ruin.” He was going to have his own
> > > way, and it did not make any difference what the result might be
> > >
> > > You peeps remind me of that verse. And I cannot shake the feeling
> > > that AI Rosie is in reality servant under a different nym.
> >
> >
> > Buwahahahaha! Well, so much for your
> > discernment. IMHO, you're a simp,
> > though.
>
> What snipping dick defiant and rebellious ChristRosie didn't learn,
> as usual, was that he is not the meaning of words.
>
> But he is a sinner perfectionist! :-).
>
> The Lord tells you the meaning of words, not sinners, not men.
>
>
> Michael Christ

Good point.

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On 17/05/2024 4:14 pm, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 16/05/2024 1:18 pm, ChristRose wrote:
>>> ========================
>>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 19:27:01 -0700,
>>> Article:<0001HW.2BF5A6750025290C30E08C38F@news.eternal-september.org
>>>> , Robert wrote:
>>> ========================
>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>>>> (in article <v23lid$138ip$3@dont-email.me>):
>>>>
>>>>> 1 John 1:7
>>>>> But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
>>>>> fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his
>>>>> Son cleanseth us from all sin.
>>>>
>>>> In Greek, the word used and translated “cleanseth” Connotes and
>>>> on going or continuous action of cleansing. I was going to
>>>> mention this in another post in reply to you but I forgot and
>>>> left it out. Yes, the Lord led me to that understanding many
>>>> years ago, from the great using a lexicon, not a dictionary. So
>>>> don’t bother woofing others and LOL yes I know that you and AI
>>>> Rosie like to have the preeminence over all, but I’ll leave that
>>>> for you two to duke it out. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> No need to drag me into this. I've never
>>> said otherwise. In fact, I've been
>>> telling him this off and on, for the
>>> past 20 years. Here is his most recent
>>> response:
>>>
>>> ===========================
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:23:18 +1100,
>>> Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>> <uqejqn$1nd1n$5@dont-email.me>
>>>
>>> I don't care about the meanings of
>>> words...
>>> ===========================
>>>
>>> Thus, it doesn't matter to "Michael", if
>>> the word is in the present tense. If he
>>> wants it to mean the aorist tense
>>> (meaning only at the point in time when
>>> you first become saved), then he thinks
>>> he just gets to issue an executive
>>> decree that changes the meaning of the
>>> word according to his desired theology.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 3Jn 1:9 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who
>>>> loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
>>>>
>>>> His motto was “to rule or ruin.” He was going to have his own
>>>> way, and it did not make any difference what the result might be
>>>>
>>>> You peeps remind me of that verse. And I cannot shake the feeling
>>>> that AI Rosie is in reality servant under a different nym.
>>>
>>>
>>> Buwahahahaha! Well, so much for your
>>> discernment. IMHO, you're a simp,
>>> though.
>>
>> What snipping dick defiant and rebellious ChristRosie didn't learn,
>> as usual, was that he is not the meaning of words.
>>
>> But he is a sinner perfectionist! :-).
>>
>> The Lord tells you the meaning of words, not sinners, not men.
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> Good point.

Unfortunately it is lost on these ridiculigious people, they have no
soles and no means of escaping their Sunday self servevices!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."


Click here to read the complete article
Subject: Re: 1 John 1: 5-10...Two
From: Ted
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Michael Christ wrote:

> On 17/05/2024 4:14 pm, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > On 16/05/2024 1:18 pm, ChristRose wrote:
> > > > ========================
> > > > On Wed, 15 May 2024 19:27:01 -0700,
> > > > Article:<0001HW.2BF5A6750025290C30E08C38F@news.eternal-september
> > > > .org
> > > > > , Robert wrote:
> > > > ========================
> > > >
> > > > > On May 15, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > > > > (in article <v23lid$138ip$3@dont-email.me>):
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1 John 1:7
> > > > > > But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
> > > > > > fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ
> > > > > > his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Greek, the word used and translated “cleanseth” Connotes
> > > > > and on going or continuous action of cleansing. I was going to
> > > > > mention this in another post in reply to you but I forgot and
> > > > > left it out. Yes, the Lord led me to that understanding many
> > > > > years ago, from the great using a lexicon, not a dictionary.
> > > > > So don’t bother woofing others and LOL yes I know that you
> > > > > and AI Rosie like to have the preeminence over all, but I’ll
> > > > > leave that for you two to duke it out. ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No need to drag me into this. I've never
> > > > said otherwise. In fact, I've been
> > > > telling him this off and on, for the
> > > > past 20 years. Here is his most recent
> > > > response:
> > > >
> > > > ===========================
> > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:23:18 +1100,
> >>> Michael Christ
> >>><michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> >>> <uqejqn$1nd1n$5@dont-email.me>
> > > >
> > > > I don't care about the meanings of
> > > > words...
> > > > ===========================
> > > >
> > > > Thus, it doesn't matter to "Michael", if
> > > > the word is in the present tense. If he
> > > > wants it to mean the aorist tense
> > > > (meaning only at the point in time when
> > > > you first become saved), then he thinks
> > > > he just gets to issue an executive
> > > > decree that changes the meaning of the
> > > > word according to his desired theology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3Jn 1:9 (KJV) 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who
> > > > > loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
> > > > >
> > > > > His motto was “to rule or ruin.” He was going to have his own
> > > > > way, and it did not make any difference what the result might
> > > > > be
> > > > >
> > > > > You peeps remind me of that verse. And I cannot shake the
> > > > > feeling that AI Rosie is in reality servant under a different
> > > > > nym.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Buwahahahaha! Well, so much for your
> > > > discernment. IMHO, you're a simp,
> > > > though.
> > >
> > > What snipping dick defiant and rebellious ChristRosie didn't
> > > learn, as usual, was that he is not the meaning of words.
> > >
> > > But he is a sinner perfectionist! :-).
> > >
> > > The Lord tells you the meaning of words, not sinners, not men.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Christ
> >
> >
> > Good point.
>
> Unfortunately it is lost on these ridiculigious people, they have no
> soles and no means of escaping their Sunday self servevices!
>
>
> Michael Christ

LOL @ "ridiculigious".

Stupid soleless assholes.

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