On 2024-05-14, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>> >>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>> >>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>> >>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>> >>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>> >>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>> existing
>> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
>> new
>> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>> >>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>> >>>>>>>>> paid.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>> >>>>>>>>> income.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>> >>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
>> Am
>> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>> >>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>> >>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
>> If
>> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>> >>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>> >>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
>> study
>> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>> >> can
>> >>>> do it again..
>> >>>
>> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>> >>>
>> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>> >
>> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>> than billionaire Trump?
>
> Really? You are scraping bottom.

I live in a high tax state, NYS, and Trump's tax cuts limited SALT which at the time hurt many
NY'ers.
However in states where the budget is under control people did better under Trump's taxes and they
are the majority by far and I can't blame them. NYS, CA and other locals are out of control
regarding spending and taxes while there are far more states that have this under control.

As it turned out, I did about the same under Trump's tax plan but I can see why people prefer it.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

In article <v20jl9$crt1$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
> >> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
> >> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
> >> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
> >> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> >> have
> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
> >> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> >> existing
> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
> >> >>>>>>>>> any
> >> new
> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
> >> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
> >> >>>>>>>>> officials.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
> >> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
> >> >>>>>>>>> of income.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
> >> >>>>>>>> CBO
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
> >> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
> >> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
> >> >>>>>>>> trillion.
> >> Am
> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
> >> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
> >> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
> >> >>>>>>> GDP.
> >> If
> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
> >> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
> >> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
> >> >>>>>> aside to
> >> study
> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
> >> >>>> We
> >> >> can
> >> >>>> do it again..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
> >> >
> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
> >> than billionaire Trump?
> >
> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
> >
>
> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
> pocket and cheats on taxes.

They found nothing wrong with his taxes. He has never picked my pocket.
Keep trying and maybe you can come up with something.

In article <v20jnc$crt1$6@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6643c6f5$0$3711188$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v20f4i$bp8t$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
>
> >> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
> >
> > It's called loopholes and everyone uses them.
> >
>
> No, "everybody" do not use them - the rich bought the lawmakers to craft
> those loopholes just for them/the rich.

and they all use them. What's your point?

You're poor huh?

In article <v20kdk$ck50$9@dont-email.me>, pothead@snakebite.com says...
>
> On 2024-05-14, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
> >> >>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
> >> >>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
> >> >>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
> >> >>>>>>>>> any taxes.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> >> have
> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
> >> >>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> >> existing
> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
> >> new
> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
> >> >>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
> >> >>>>>>>>> paid.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
> >> >>>>>>>>> income.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
> >> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
> >> >>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
> >> Am
> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
> >> >>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
> >> >>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
> >> If
> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
> >> >>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
> >> >>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
> >> study
> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> >> >> can
> >> >>>> do it again..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
> >> >
> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
> >> than billionaire Trump?
> >
> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
>
> I live in a high tax state, NYS, and Trump's tax cuts limited SALT which at the time hurt many
> NY'ers.
> However in states where the budget is under control people did better under Trump's taxes and they
> are the majority by far and I can't blame them. NYS, CA and other locals are out of control
> regarding spending and taxes while there are far more states that have this under control.
>
> As it turned out, I did about the same under Trump's tax plan but I can see why people prefer it.

I am in Colorado. A mostly blue state yet we were doing better when
Trump was in office.

On 2024-05-14, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <v20jbg$crt1$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>
>> >> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>> >
>> > And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>>
>> Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.
>
> Why? I bet you support us paying off student loans too.
>>
>> > Maybe they
>> > need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your fair
>> > share for a change.
>> >
>>
>> They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.
>
> How did you come to that? You wont say. Your name calling is typical of
> a butthurt liberal.
>
>

Libbys love free swag.
That's exactly why Biden is doing what he does.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

On 2024-05-14, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
> On 5/14/2024 5:04 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get paid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> CBO
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>>>>>>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>>>>>>>>>>>> trillion.
>>>> Am
>>>>>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>>>>>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>>>>>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>>>>>>>>>>> GDP.
>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.

>>>>>>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>>>>>>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>>>>>>>>>> aside to
>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> do it again..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>>> than billionaire Trump?
>>>
>>> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>>
>>
>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
>> pocket and cheats on taxes.
>
> Nope, he used the very tax code that Biden, over his 2000+ years in
> govt, has created.

Yep.
The rich use the loopholes to their advantage. I am against that but it's the current system.
Somebody making 40k a year does not have that ability.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

On 2024-05-14, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <v20jl9$crt1$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in

>> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> >> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>> >> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>> >> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>> >> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>> >> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>> >> have
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>> >> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>> >> existing
>> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>> >> >>>>>>>>> any
>> >> new
>> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>> >> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>> >> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>> >> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>> >> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>> >> >>>>>>>> CBO
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>> >> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>> >> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>> >> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>> >> Am
>> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>> >> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>> >> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>> >> >>>>>>> GDP.
>> >> If
>> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>> >> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>> >> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>> >> >>>>>> aside to
>> >> study
>> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>> >> >>>> We
>> >> >> can
>> >> >>>> do it again..
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>> >> than billionaire Trump?
>> >
>> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
>> >
>>
>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
>> pocket and cheats on taxes.
>
> They found nothing wrong with his taxes. He has never picked my pocket.
> Keep trying and maybe you can come up with something.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>> existing
>> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>> >>>>>>>>> any
>> new
>> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>> >>>>>>>> CBO
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>> Am
>> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>> >>>>>>> GDP.
>> If
>> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>> >>>>>> aside to
>> study
>> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>> >>>> We
>> >> can
>> >>>> do it again..
>> >>>
>> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>> >>>
>> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>> >
>> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>> than billionaire Trump?
>
> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>

Trump went for years without
paying any taxes. Did you ever do
that?

In article <XnsB172D7EED96F0629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
> >> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
> >> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
> >> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
> >> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> >> have
> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
> >> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> >> existing
> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
> >> >>>>>>>>> any
> >> new
> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
> >> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
> >> >>>>>>>>> officials.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
> >> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
> >> >>>>>>>>> of income.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
> >> >>>>>>>> CBO
> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
> >> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
> >> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
> >> >>>>>>>> trillion.
> >> Am
> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
> >> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
> >> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
> >> >>>>>>> GDP.
> >> If
> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
> >> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
> >> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
> >> >>>>>> aside to
> >> study
> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
> >> >>>> We
> >> >> can
> >> >>>> do it again..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
> >> >
> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
> >> than billionaire Trump?
> >
> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
> >
>
>
> Trump went for years without
> paying any taxes. Did you ever do
> that?

What does that have to do with anything? Trump pays his and I pay mine.
Do you pay yours?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6643d284$0$2363148$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v20jbg$crt1$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>
>> >> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no
>> >> income.
>> >
>> > And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>>
>> Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.
>
> Why? I bet you support us paying off student loans too.

Those students aren't rich and they'll be paying on those loans until
they die - forget retirement.

>>
>> > Maybe they
>> > need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your
>> > fair share for a change.
>> >
>>
>> They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.
>
> How did you come to that? You wont say. Your name calling is typical
> of a butthurt liberal.
>
You're a lying shill/

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20jro$ap50$7@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 5:04 PM, Baxter wrote:

>>
>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
>> pocket and cheats on taxes.
>
> Nope, he used the very tax code that Biden, over his 2000+ years in
> govt, has created.
>

2000+ years?! Nope. Biden didn't create those tax loopholes.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20jul$ap50$8@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 4:57 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> So you're a toady sucking rich fuck's ass.
>
> No, I'm thanking them for carrying the load that welchers like you
> refuse to contribute to, all the while whining about the people that
> carry your burden for you.
>

Yeah, you're sucking rich ass. - those uber rich are not carrying
anyone's burden - they're not even paying the taxes they owe. Meanwhile
they steal from your pocket - they're getting the intrest money you're
paying on the National Debt.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20k0r$ap50$9@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 4:59 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>
>>>> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>>>
>>> And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>>
>> Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.
>
> Nope. You want the benefits of govt you gotta have some skin in the
> game.
>
>>> Maybe they
>>> need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your
>>> fair share for a change.
>>>
>>
>> They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.
>
> They employ you. No good deed goes unpunished does it, welcher?
>
>
They pay substandard wages unless you're in a Union.

Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:v219gs$l66f$5@dont-
email.me:

> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20k0r$ap50$9@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 4:59 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>>>>
>>>> And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>>>
>>> Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.
>>
>> Nope. You want the benefits of govt you gotta have some skin in the
>> game.
>>
>>>> Maybe they
>>>> need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your
>>>> fair share for a change.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.
>>
>> They employ you. No good deed goes unpunished does it, welcher?
>>
>>
> They pay substandard wages unless you're in a Union.
>
And they make 10 times (or more) from your labor than they pay you.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 20:59:28 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

>Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>
>>> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>>
>> And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>
>Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.
>
>> Maybe they
>> need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your fair
>> share for a change.
>>
>
>They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.

Why do leftists think they deserve free stuff? It's because they have
the intellectual capability of a six year old, and a six year old gets
everything free.

On 5/14/2024 11:17 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20jul$ap50$8@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 4:57 PM, Baxter wrote:
>
>>> So you're a toady sucking rich fuck's ass.
>>
>> No, I'm thanking them for carrying the load that welchers like you
>> refuse to contribute to, all the while whining about the people that
>> carry your burden for you.
>>
>
> Yeah, you're sucking rich ass. - those uber rich are not carrying
> anyone's burden - they're not even paying the taxes they owe. Meanwhile
> they steal from your pocket - they're getting the intrest money you're
> paying on the National Debt.

The top 1% paid 46% of the bill.
The top 5% paid 66% of the bill.

That is exactly carrying the burden.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:v20tgc$f3ai$5@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-05-14, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>> On 5/14/2024 5:04 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion per year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grade for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bonds sold to the public to finance large government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't get paid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CBO
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subtract the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have $26.4 trillion.
>>>>> Am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GDP.
>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> stop.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>>>>>>>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars
>>>>>>>>>>> set aside to
>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out
>>>>>>>>> spending. We
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> do it again..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>>>> than billionaire Trump?
>>>>
>>>> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks
>>> your pocket and cheats on taxes.
>>
>> Nope, he used the very tax code that Biden, over his 2000+ years in
>> govt, has created.
>
> Yep.
> The rich use the loopholes to their advantage. I am against that but
> it's the current system. Somebody making 40k a year does not have that
> ability.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:v20tig$f3ai$6@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-05-14, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <v20jl9$crt1$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>> > noemail@aol.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>
>
>>> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> >> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>> >> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> under tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> billion per year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> grade for you.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> is, has, and will continue to produce.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> they
>>> >> have
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>> >> existing
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> debt)
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> on any
>>> >> new
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> bonds sold to the public to finance large government
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> projects.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> don't get paid.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other
>>> >> >>>>>>>>> sources of income.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to
>>> >> >>>>>>>> the CBO
>>> >> the
>>> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts,
>>> >> >>>>>>>> and extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion.
>>> >> >>>>>>>> Subtract the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still
>>> >> >>>>>>>> have $26.4 trillion.
>>> >> Am
>>> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>> >> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>> >> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of
>>> >> >>>>>>> the GDP.
>>> >> If
>>> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to
>>> >> >>>>>> stop. My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax
>>> >> >>>>>> dollars on? Are these bills productive or are millions of
>>> >> >>>>>> dollars set aside to
>>> >> study
>>> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out
>>> >> >>>> spending. We
>>> >> >> can
>>> >> >>>> do it again..
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>> >> than billionaire Trump?
>>> >
>>> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>> >
>>>
>>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks
>>> your pocket and cheats on taxes.
>>
>> They found nothing wrong with his taxes. He has never picked my
>> pocket. Keep trying and maybe you can come up with something.
>
> Did Biden pay taxes on the millions of bribes he received from foreign
> countries?
>

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:66441ea7$1$7164
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB172D7EED96F0629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> >> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>> >> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur
under
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion
per
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd
grade
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>> >> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>> >> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>> >> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and
they
>> >> have
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>> >> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>> >> existing
>> >> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new
debt)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>> >> >>>>>>>>> any
>> >> new
>> >> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any
bonds
>> >> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>> >> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they
don't
>> >> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>> >> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>> >> >>>>>>>> CBO
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts,
and
>> >> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion.
Subtract
>> >> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>> >> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>> >> Am
>> >> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>> >> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>> >> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>> >> >>>>>>> GDP.
>> >> If
>> >> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to
stop.
>> >> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>> >> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars
set
>> >> >>>>>> aside to
>> >> study
>> >> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out
spending.
>> >> >>>> We
>> >> >> can
>> >> >>>> do it again..
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>> >> than billionaire Trump?
>> >
>> > Really? You are scraping bottom.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Trump went for years without
>> paying any taxes. Did you ever do
>> that?
>
> What does that have to do with anything?

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1vudp$7k1a$3@dont-email.me...
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>
>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> can
>>> do it again..
>>
>> The rich are already taxed.
>>
> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.

Well, Democrats put in all those loopholes.

Meanwhile, even assuming the 'rich' paid 100% of their 'increase in net
wealth' they would pay the federal government to run a week.

The federal government spend $6.2 Trillion in 2023
That's about $17 Billion dollars a day
Which is $708 Million dollars an hour
or $11.8 Million per minute
or $196,600 per second.

Yea, even if you set their income tax at 100% I doubt it would cover much
more than 2 days at most.

But Democrats love the 'tax the rich' refrain because then they can feel
better about spending our money on crap because they somehow think we aren't
going to be the ones that pay for it. However, we do pay for it. For
example, we're gong to tax rich corporations, they have lots of money and
make tons of money. So we tax Company X.

Company X sees that as a "cost of doing business" and thus an expense, which
reduces their net profit margin (a standard metric used to establish
everything down to the price of goods and services they provide)
This tax is then levied against the companies "gross profits" which
therefore reduces the "net profits" as more of the gross profits are going
to something else. So they raise their prices, passing that tax along to the
consumer, thus increasing their gross profits and bringing their net profits
back to where they were... Oh, but wait.. that reduced the percentage of
income that is net profits.. so they raise their prices even further to
adjust for this so that Net Profits remains at x% of total sales.

Ever wonder why companies announce record profits after a big tax increase..
because they increased prices to maintain their net profit at x% of sales..
sales which increased because of the price increased caused by the taxation.

So corporations pay no taxes.. they merely collect them for the government
in the form of higher prices.. and they increase their net profit for doing
so.

Who buys most of what companies produce? It isn't usually the rich.

This BTW is ECON101 stuff, but apparently Democrats have an aversion to such
education.

I will note that that today, between direct and indirect taxation about
50-60% of an American's gross income gets filtered away for taxes in one
form or another.

Your parents, or grandparents (depending on your age) were paying about 18%
of their gross income in profit.

And yet, the government is deeper in debt every day from all it's spending
despite having a bigger piece of the pie.

Tax and Spend is not an acceptable government policy. The power of taxation
should be REMOVED from the control of all levels of government.

"Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160...
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> have
>>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> existing
>>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
> new
>>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
> the
>>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
> Am
>>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
> If
>>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
> study
>>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>>> can
>>>>> do it again..
>>>>
>>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>>
>>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>
>> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>
>
>
> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
> than billionaire Trump?

Really? You think he's paid $8.5 Million in taxes over his life? Trump paid
that in one year just in state and local taxes in 2020.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/storythreads/2022-12-22/how-much-did-donald-trump-pay-in-taxes-what-to-know-about-2015-2020-returns

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v20jl9$crt1$5@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>>> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>> existing
>>> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>>> >>>>>>>>> any
>>> new
>>> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>>> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>>> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>>> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>>> >>>>>>>> CBO
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>>> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>>> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>>> Am
>>> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>>> >>>>>>> GDP.
>>> If
>>> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>>> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>>> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>>> >>>>>> aside to
>>> study
>>> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>>> >>>> We
>>> >> can
>>> >>>> do it again..
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>> >
>>> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>> than billionaire Trump?
>>
>> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>
>
> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
> pocket and cheats on taxes.

He has paid the taxes he owes, if you have any evidence otherwise, produce
it.

What you mean to say, is that Trump takes full advantage of the tax laws to
minimize the taxes he owes, which even SCOTUS has stated is perfectly legal
and the right of everyone to do.

What you really want to bitch about is that you don't think he's paying
whatever level of taxes YOU think he should.....

But then YOU don't get to decide that, do you?

"Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message news:v20jro$ap50$7@dont-email.me...
> On 5/14/2024 5:04 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>>> existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get paid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> CBO
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>>>>>>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>>>>>>>>>>>> trillion.
>>>> Am
>>>>>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>>>>>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>>>>>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>>>>>>>>>>> GDP.
>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>>>>>>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>>>>>>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>>>>>>>>>> aside to
>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> do it again..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>>> than billionaire Trump?
>>>
>>> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>>
>>
>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
>> pocket and cheats on taxes.
>
> Nope, he used the very tax code that Biden, over his 2000+ years in govt,
> has created.

Bingo. Further everyone can do the same. Do you know why they call it the
1040EZ tax form.. because it's an EZ way for the government to get extra
taxes from you.
Higher taxes for the sake of convenience that's the EZ way to do your taxes.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v219a6$l66f$3@dont-email.me...
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20jro$ap50$7@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 5:04 PM, Baxter wrote:
>
>>>
>>> That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
>>> pocket and cheats on taxes.
>>
>> Nope, he used the very tax code that Biden, over his 2000+ years in
>> govt, has created.
>>
>
> 2000+ years?! Nope. Biden didn't create those tax loopholes.

Really? I bet he voted for a lot of them while in Congress...

Oh, but let me guess you forgot that.

"Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB172D7EED96F0629555@185.151.15.190...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>>> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>>> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>>> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>>> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>>> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>>> existing
>>> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>>> >>>>>>>>> any
>>> new
>>> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>>> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>>> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>>> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>>> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>>> >>>>>>>> CBO
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>>> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>>> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>>> Am
>>> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>>> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>>> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>>> >>>>>>> GDP.
>>> If
>>> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>>> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>>> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>>> >>>>>> aside to
>>> study
>>> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>>> >>>> We
>>> >> can
>>> >>>> do it again..
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>> >
>>> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>>> than billionaire Trump?
>>
>> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>>
>
>
> Trump went for years without
> paying any taxes. Did you ever do
> that?

Really? Produce your proof for any year you like, that Trump did not pay a
single penny in tax.. for anything.

Oh, let me guess, you're just full of shit.