On Wed, 15 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

>>> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>>>
>>> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
>>> that’s not only expensive..."
>>> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
>>> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>>>
>>
>> And militaries haven't been
>> bombing fuel depots for decades?
>
> fuel depots can be numerous, located anywhere, and any size. charging
> stations need the power grid. if power utilities are bombed all charging
> stations connected to them will be disabled.

I think in terms of energy density, gasoline wins by far compared with
current batteries.

In terms of military operations, I could imagine some remote future
where you might be able to ship batteries just as you ship fuel today.

But then again, it depends on where the war is being waged. Is it being
waged in an urban setting or in a remote desert? In an arctic setting
and so on.

Interesting question actually, to speculate when EV:s would bring some
kind of tactical advantage over gasoline.

In terms of aircraft carriers, don't they have their own reactors on
board as well as submarines?

>>>>
>>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>>> 2/4/2022
>>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-want
>>>> s- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is
>>>> - using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>

D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>>>> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
>>>> that’s not only expensive..."
>>>> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
>>>> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>>>>
>>>
>>>       And militaries haven't been
>>> bombing fuel depots for decades?
>>
>> fuel depots can be numerous, located anywhere, and any size. charging
>> stations need the power grid. if power utilities are bombed all
>> charging stations connected to them will be disabled.
>
> I think in terms of energy density, gasoline wins by far compared with
> current batteries.
>
> In terms of military operations, I could imagine some remote future
> where you might be able to ship batteries just as you ship fuel today.
>
> But then again, it depends on where the war is being waged. Is it being
> waged in an urban setting or in a remote desert? In an arctic setting
> and so on.
>
> Interesting question actually, to speculate when EV:s would bring some
> kind of tactical advantage over gasoline.

yes

>
> In terms of aircraft carriers, don't they have their own reactors on
> board as well as submarines?

they do indeed

>
>>>>>
>>>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>>>> 2/4/2022
>>>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-want
>>>>>
>>>>> s- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is
>>>>>
>>>>> - using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>news:v20roa$er45$1@dont-email.me:
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>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1725A27D8D6B629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>
>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
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>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>>>frequently
>>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>often
>>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>>>so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>>>five years of driving the only
>>>>>>>thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>>>a windshield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>>are not for everyone everywhere,
>>>no one said they were.
>>>
>>
>> So you made this thread be about only your wonderful experience with
>> them (so far), plus a few here who agree with you.
>>
>
>
> I didn't make this thread.
>

I didn't say that you created this thread. Read again.

>>
>>>
>>>And ICE
>>>vehicles are not for everyone
>>>everywhere.
>>>
>>
>> That's right. We should no longer be using 150+ year old ancient
>> combustion tech any more. We are only doing so because of massive
>> corruption.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>>Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>>NOV 17, 2023
>>>https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>
>>
>> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>>
>> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
>> that’s not only expensive..."
>> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
>> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>>
>
>
> And militaries haven't been
>bombing fuel depots for decades?
>

They can't bomb all of them. But was that ever a problem?
Think how silly it sounds to run a war using batteries.

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On 15/05/2024 8:00 pm, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>>>> Corrupt Biden is pushing EVs like there's no tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> "Getting this fuel to remote areas of the world is an arduous task
>>>> that’s not only expensive..."
>>>> So is building recharging stations all over the place for military
>>>> use. And what if the enemy bombs the power stations? What then?
>>>>
>>>
>>>       And militaries haven't been
>>> bombing fuel depots for decades?
>>
>> fuel depots can be numerous, located anywhere, and any size. charging
>> stations need the power grid. if power utilities are bombed all
>> charging stations connected to them will be disabled.

D wrote:
> I think in terms of energy density, gasoline wins by far compared with
> current batteries.
>
> In terms of military operations, I could imagine some remote future
> where you might be able to ship batteries just as you ship fuel today.
>
> But then again, it depends on where the war is being waged. Is it being
> waged in an urban setting or in a remote desert? In an arctic setting
> and so on.
>
> Interesting question actually, to speculate when EV:s would bring some
> kind of tactical advantage over gasoline.
>
> In terms of aircraft carriers, don't they have their own reactors on
> board as well as submarines?

Notice how you naturally conclude war like it is a given, just another
day in the life of man.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Now, off you march, Hut, Toop, Threep, Fourp, left-right, left-right, in
your great atheist intelligence that sees all.

Michael Christ

>
>>>>>
>>>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>>>> 2/4/2022
>>>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-want
>>>>> s- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-is
>>>>> - using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>

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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>
>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>$2363145
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>
>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>
>>> Charging up my car = free
>>
>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>"Fuel - the electricity required to
>drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>compact electric vehicle costs an
>average of $546, while the amount
>of gas required to drive the same
>distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>
>Maintenance/Repair/Tires - electric
>vehicles do not require as much
>maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>they don't need oil changes or air-
>filter replacements. If maintained
>according to the automakers'
>recommendations, electric vehicles
>cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>a total of $949/annually."
>https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>

Cheaper until the batteries need replacing, or you have an accident, or when
the insurance cost goes up due to fire hazard, battery and electronic
systems replacement, or the cost of raw materials goes up.

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>
>On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
>>> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
>>the
>>> car :)
>>
>>
>>
>> That has never happened to me.
>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>which ones are in use so you can
>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>up when you get back. Really no
>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>course that is just on road trips,
>>normally I charge up at home.
>>For free.
>
>None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
>about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
>environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
>leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
>state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
>

You are just an authority follower. Never mind if they're honest or not.
Why are the current gov pushing it so hard? You will never figure it out.
Clue: It's not for our or the earth's benefit.

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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>
>Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
>news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in
>>>> queue waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to
>>>> charge up
>>>the
>>>> car :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That has never happened to me.
>>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>>which ones are in use so you can
>>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>>up when you get back. Really no
>>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>>course that is just on road trips,
>>>normally I charge up at home.
>>>For free.
>>
>> None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
>> about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
>> environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
>> leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
>> state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
>
>
> So true. They love "right thinking
>conservative businessman" Elon Musk but
>think Texlas are lefty woke plot to
>destroy our whole way of life. Go figure.
>

Yes you will never figure it out.

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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>
>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>news:laidi3Flgh2U1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>>> which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>>> no one said they were. And ICE
>>> vehicles are not for everyone
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>>
>> where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?
>>
>
> On the Moon. And Mars. Anywhere
>where silent tansport is critical,
>

Is the only way to detect vehicles is with sound?

>
>anywhere where hauling around large
>quantities of liguid fuel is a
>handicap.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>> NOV 17, 2023
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>
>>
>> "..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to
>> get around military posts and bases"
>>
>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>> 2/4/2022
>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wan
>>> ts- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>
>>
>> "..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"
>>
>>>
>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-i
>>> s- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>
>>
>> big deal.
>>
>> the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous.
>
>
> Really? If you need to sneak 200
>pounds of weapons 30 miles behind enemy
>lines in an hour how else are you going
>to do it? As the Ukraine has shown
>electic motorcycles do the trick.
>

Oh yes you can sneak vehicles around just by making them silent and the
enemy will not use any other forms of detection.

>
>fuel can be
>> transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
>> facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
>> would electric drive make? etc., etc.,
>
>
> Hauling tons of fuel to a remote
>location is cumbersome, hauling an
>array of solar panels is lighter and
>does not need constant replenishment.
>

Solar panels? You need a lot unless you have oodles of time to charge.
And a lot of panels in a large area can be seen by satellites.

>
>
>US Department of Defense embracing
>electric military vehicles using
>GM’s Ultium Platform
>Oct 7 2022
>https://electrek.co/2022/10/07/us-department-of-defense-embracing-
>electric-military-vehicles/
>

They are dreaming. Don't believe everything you read on websites.

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>
>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>
>(snip)
>
>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>which you have none.
>>>
>>
>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>experts ...
>
>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>
>(snip)
>

"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".

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Andrew W wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
> news:XnsB172D7785C7AA629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> news:laidi3Flgh2U1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>> which you have none.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Actually you are right. EV's
>>>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>>>> no one said they were. And ICE
>>>> vehicles are not for everyone
>>>> everywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?
>>>
>>
>>   On the Moon. And Mars. Anywhere
>> where silent tansport is critical,
>>
>
> Is the only way to detect vehicles is with sound?
>
>
>>
>> anywhere where hauling around large
>> quantities of liguid fuel is a
>> handicap.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>>> NOV 17, 2023
>>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>>
>>>
>>> "..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to
>>> get around military posts and bases"
>>>
>>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>>> 2/4/2022
>>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wan
>>>> ts- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>>
>>>
>>> "..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-i
>>>> s- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>>
>>>
>>> big deal.
>>>
>>> the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous.
>>
>>
>>    Really? If you need to sneak 200
>> pounds of weapons 30 miles behind enemy
>> lines in an hour how else are you going
>> to do it? As the Ukraine has shown
>> electic motorcycles do the trick.
>>
>
> Oh yes you can sneak vehicles around just by making them silent and
> the enemy will not use any other forms of detection.

such as drones

>
>
>>
>> fuel can be
>>> transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
>>> facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
>>> would electric drive make? etc., etc.,
>>
>>
>>     Hauling tons of fuel to a remote
>> location is cumbersome, hauling an
>> array of solar panels is lighter and
>> does not need constant replenishment.
>>
>
> Solar panels? You need a lot unless you have oodles of time to charge.
> And a lot of panels in a large area can be seen by satellites.

and of course drones

>
>
>>
>>
>> US Department of Defense embracing
>> electric military vehicles using
>> GM’s Ultium Platform
>> Oct 7 2022
>> https://electrek.co/2022/10/07/us-department-of-defense-embracing-
>> electric-military-vehicles/
>>
>
> They are dreaming. Don't believe everything you read on websites.
>
>

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The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
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On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:36:57 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:tap44j54b0m10s06trfetm51tu5n8a32lp@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Mon, 13 May 2024 17:29:01 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:ladvngF10ndU1
>>>@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And we laugh at you shivering
>>>>> at the gas pump and complaining
>>>>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>>>>> about your catalytic converter
>>>>> getting stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
>>>> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up
>>>the
>>>> car :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That has never happened to me.
>>>The Tslsa map of chargers shows
>>>which ones are in use so you can
>>>steer to one that is vacant. At
>>>our big megastions - Buckees -
>>>they have 40 chargers per location,
>>>of which maybe five or six are in
>>>use at any given time. Stop, hook
>>>up, go inside for a borrito and
>>>popcorn, and the car is charged
>>>up when you get back. Really no
>>>differnt than getting a tank of
>>>gas in terms of time. And of
>>>course that is just on road trips,
>>>normally I charge up at home.
>>>For free.
>>
>>None of our arguments will convince the EV skeptics here. It's not
>>about the costs, the time it takes to charge, the range, the
>>environmental impact, or anything like that. No, EV's are for
>>leftists. Extreme, liberal, woke, socialist, lib, dem, elitist, deep
>>state leftists. And that's why they hate EV's.
>>
>
>You are just an authority follower. Never mind if they're honest or not.
>Why are the current gov pushing it so hard? You will never figure it out.
>Clue: It's not for our or the earth's benefit.

Where are the space aliens in all this? Do they want to destroy
humanity by manipulating (or is 'clawpulating' when talking about the
lizard-aliens?) us to use EV's?

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:56:01 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:lem74jphqj4f5q5mbmna3aon0s4j8ae5ls@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>which you have none.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>>experts ...
>>
>>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>
>"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".

(Who are you quoting here? Anyway...) Sometimes it takes even less
time to debunk your claims.

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:inrb4j1tsab4qd8l8m8j7811llqjp5n9qr@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:56:01 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:lem74jphqj4f5q5mbmna3aon0s4j8ae5ls@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>>>experts ...
>>>
>>>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>
>>"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".
>
>(Who are you quoting here? Anyway...)
>

You

>
>Sometimes it takes even less
>time to debunk your claims.
>

No, you are pulling yourself. You just latch onto the first authoritive
sounding articles and stats you find.
You are more of a believer than me. I only research and consider.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:05:43 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:inrb4j1tsab4qd8l8m8j7811llqjp5n9qr@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:56:01 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:lem74jphqj4f5q5mbmna3aon0s4j8ae5ls@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>(snip)
>>>>
>>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>>which you have none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>>>>experts ...
>>>>
>>>>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>>>>
>>>>(snip)
>>>>
>>>
>>>"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".
>>
>>(Who are you quoting here? Anyway...)
>>
>
>You

When and where did I say those exact words?

>>Sometimes it takes even less
>>time to debunk your claims.
>>
>
>No, you are pulling yourself. You just latch onto the first authoritive
>sounding articles and stats you find.

"But you ignore what other owners and experts are saying."

I damned if I do and damned if I don't.

>You are more of a believer than me. I only research and consider.

And you make us all laugh.

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>
>On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:05:43 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:inrb4j1tsab4qd8l8m8j7811llqjp5n9qr@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:56:01 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>news:lem74jphqj4f5q5mbmna3aon0s4j8ae5ls@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>>>which you have none.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>>>>>experts ...
>>>>>
>>>>>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>>>>>
>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".
>>>
>>>(Who are you quoting here? Anyway...)
>>>
>>
>>You
>
>When and where did I say those exact words?
>

It's a paraphrase.

>
>>>Sometimes it takes even less
>>>time to debunk your claims.
>>>
>>
>>No, you are pulling yourself. You just latch onto the first authoritive
>>sounding articles and stats you find.
>
>
>"But you ignore what other owners and experts are saying."
>
>I damned if I do and damned if I don't.
>

Learn to judge truth from lies. Look at motives and who finances them.

>
>>You are more of a believer than me. I only research and consider.
>
>And you make us all laugh.
>

All? Who?
Fools laugh at the truth.

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 08:54:31 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:flvb4j1l3h5vc4s1fffii61vk8h7ents1g@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 16 May 2024 22:05:43 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:inrb4j1tsab4qd8l8m8j7811llqjp5n9qr@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 16 May 2024 09:56:01 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>>news:lem74jphqj4f5q5mbmna3aon0s4j8ae5ls@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 14 May 2024 23:13:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>>>>>my personal experience with the issue
>>>>>>>>which you have none.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners and
>>>>>>>experts ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>'You blindly believe what the experts tell you.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"I do research with 2 minute Google searches and get the facts".
>>>>
>>>>(Who are you quoting here? Anyway...)
>>>>
>>>
>>>You
>>
>>When and where did I say those exact words?
>>
>
>It's a paraphrase.

Next time, don't use quotation marks. Or, quote what I actually said.
>
>>
>>>>Sometimes it takes even less
>>>>time to debunk your claims.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, you are pulling yourself. You just latch onto the first authoritive
>>>sounding articles and stats you find.
>>
>>
>>"But you ignore what other owners and experts are saying."
>>
>>I['m] damned if I do and damned if I don't.
>>
>
>Learn to judge truth from lies. ...

The way you do it? If I agree they are telling the truth, and if I
disagree they lie?

> ... Look at motives and who finances them.

Ask yourself why you believe Putin, when he tells you that all the
destruction of civilian infrastructure in Ukraine is caused by the
NATO backed Neo-nazis.
>
>
>>
>>>You are more of a believer than me. I only research and consider.
>>
>>And you make us all laugh.
>>
>
>All? Who?

Who do you think believes you and doesn't laugh when you talk about
space aliens roaming our Earth?

>Fools laugh at the truth.

And at clowns.

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