"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1u5jt$3npnr$3@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>
>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>> >> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>> >>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>> >>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> This one again?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>> >>>>>> it doesn't
>>> >>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>> >>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>> >>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>> >>>>> you.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>> >>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>> >>> continue to produce.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>> >>> any taxes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>> >>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>> >>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>> >>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>> >>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>> >>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>> >>> paid.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>> >>> income.
>>> >>
>>> >> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>> >> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>> >> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>> >> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>> >> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>> >> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>> >> spend it anyway.
>>> >
>>> > As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>> > officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>> how chickens mate?
>
> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
> do it again..

And then Baxter wonders why his taxes go up. By 50s and 60s standards
virtually everyone is "the rich".

in 2021 the top income tax rate was 37%... in 1955 paying 38% would require
you only make $10,000

But let's look at 1969 the LAST year of the 50s and 60s...

in 1969 to pay 36% in income tax would put your income at $12,000 or more.

Meanwhile in 2021 the average income was just over $59,000

Yep.. we are ALL rich according to the standards of the 50s and 60s and
Baxter just demanded our taxes be increased due to the fiscal
irresponsibility of the government.

Oh, and in 1969 you would be paying 53% in income tax with an income of
$59,000

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-income-tax-rates-brackets/

Yep, that's what Baxter demands for America.... massive increases in
taxation for EVERYONE!!!!

"Sam" <samt@samt.invalid> wrote in message
news:lafna3F942mU1@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
>>do it again..
>
> No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich.

You do realize that by the standards of the 50s and 60s virtually everyone
is uber rich.. even those on welfare.

So when you talk of the rich.. you're talking about virtually everyone.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1ugt0$3tsm3$1@dont-email.me...
> Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240513180826.33f9f6c8@me6pd1kb9:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC)
>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>>> can do it again..
>>
>>
>> That's called a taking, you filthy income thief!
>>
>>
>
> Republicans then were fine with high taxes.

And now Democrats are fine with high taxes.....

You can't say it like it's a bad thing, when you are demanding it...

So tell me.. Given an average income of $59,000 how would you feel about
paying an average federal income tax rate of around 63%.. which means now
you have only $21,830 left or $1,819 per month after federal income tax and
that's not even considering state income taxes, sales tax, road tax,
property tax, fuel tax, luxury tax, fees, tolls, etc, etc, etc...

So are you really saying you want to raise the federal taxes of Americans by
an average of 286%?

Because that's what you are asking for.

On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>
>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>> income.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>> how chickens mate?
>
> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
> do it again..

The rich are already taxed.

On 5/13/2024 3:52 PM, Bugster, stupid thief, lied:

> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>
>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>> income.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>> how chickens mate?
>
> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
> do it again.

Nobody paid those 90% marginal rates.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:

> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>>> how chickens mate?
>>
>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
can
>> do it again..
>
> The rich are already taxed.
>
Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.

On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>
>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> can
>>> do it again..
>>
>> The rich are already taxed.
>>
> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.

Many of the non-rich don't either.

In article <v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me>, yak@inbox.com says...
>
> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> > Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
> >>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
> >>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
> >>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
> >>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
> >>>>>>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
> >>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
> >>>>>>>> continue to produce.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
> >>>>>>>> any taxes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
> >>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
> >>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
> >>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
> >>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
> >>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
> >>>>>>>> paid.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
> >>>>>>>> income.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
> >>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
> >>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
> >>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
> >>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
> >>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
> >>>>>>> spend it anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
> >>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
> >>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
> >>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
> >>>>> how chickens mate?
> >>>
> >>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> > can
> >>> do it again..
> >>
> >> The rich are already taxed.
> >>
> > Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>
> Many of the non-rich don't either.

LOL

On 5/14/2024 8:12 AM, Gak, fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and
*admits* it — lied:

> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>
>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.  We
>> can
>>>> do it again..
>>>
>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>
>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>
> Many of the non-rich don't either.

Yeah, poor people with no income. People between the median and 75th percentile
pay a higher percentage of their income than do rich people. The tax code
unfairly favors the rich.

On Tue, 14 May 2024 02:05:20 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240513180826.33f9f6c8@me6pd1kb9:
>
> > On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC)
> > Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> >> can do it again..
> >
> >
> > That's called a taking, you filthy income thief!
> >
> >
>
> Republicans then...

Are DEAD now.

Next excuse!

On Tue, 14 May 2024 02:07:08 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240513180952.3606a8a3@me6pd1kb9:
>
> > On Mon, 13 May 2024 16:50:27 -0700
> > Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> >> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
> >> >We can do it again..
> >>
> >> No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich. They would prefer
> >> that we burn the place down and then appoint Xiden as dictator.
> >>
> >> Democracy let's the libtards destroy a nation.
> >
> > fify!
> >
> >
>
> The worm ate your brain

https://www.dailyfreeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/DFN-L-rfkjr-brain-worm-01.jpg?w=1105

On Tue, 14 May 2024 15:02:18 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> the rich don't pay any taxes.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2023-update/

The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent.
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal
individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining
2.3 percent.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the
highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent—more than eight times
the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.

In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes
paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of
taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90 percent
paid $450 billion.

On 5/14/2024 1:43 PM, Jonathan Ball's dismay wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2024 15:02:18 -0000 (UTC)
> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> the rich don't pay any taxes.
>
> https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2023-update/
>
> The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent.
> The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal
> individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining
> 2.3 percent.
>
> The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the
> highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent—more than eight times
> the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
>
> In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes
> paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of
> taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90 percent
> paid $450 billion.
>

This is the part where they re-frame the narrative from income to wealth.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
have
>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
existing
>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
new
>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
the
>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
Am
>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
If
>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
study
>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>
>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>> can
>>>> do it again..
>>>
>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>
>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>
> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>

Are you proud of paying more in taxes
than billionaire Trump?

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
have
>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
existing
>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
new
>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
the
>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
Am
>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
If
>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
study
>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>
>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>> can
>>>> do it again..
>>>
>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>
>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>
> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>
>

So?

When Income tax was first instituded ONLY the rich paid that tax. The
poor don't have money to pay taxes, but the rich do.

Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote in
news:v208qi$6l2l$4@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 1:43 PM, Jonathan Ball's dismay wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 15:02:18 -0000 (UTC)
>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>
>> https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-inco
>> me-tax-data-2023-update/
>>
>> The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to
>> 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose
>> from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent. The top 50 percent of all
>> taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes,
>> while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
>>
>> The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the
>> highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent—more than eight
>> times the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
>>
>> In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income
>> taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of
>> taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90
>> percent paid $450 billion.
>>
>
> This is the part where they re-frame the narrative from income to
> wealth.
>

And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.

On 5/14/2024 3:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
>>>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>>>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>>>>>>>>>> any taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> have
>>>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>>>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> existing
>>>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
> new
>>>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>>>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>>>>>>>>>> paid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>>>>>>>>>> income.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
> the
>>>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>>>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>>>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
> Am
>>>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>>>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>>>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
> If
>>>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>>>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>>>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
> study
>>>>>>> how chickens mate?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>>> can
>>>>> do it again..
>>>>
>>>> The rich are already taxed.
>>>>
>>> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>
>> Many of the non-rich don't either.
>>
>>
>
> So?
>
> When Income tax was first instituded ONLY the rich paid that tax. The
> poor don't have money to pay taxes, but the rich do.

Good, you admit the rich are paying the taxes. Maybe instead of reviling
them you should be revering them for not only carrying their load, but
also yours.

On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote in
> news:v208qi$6l2l$4@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 1:43 PM, Jonathan Ball's dismay wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 15:02:18 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the rich don't pay any taxes.
>>>
>>> https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-inco
>>> me-tax-data-2023-update/
>>>
>>> The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to
>>> 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose
>>> from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent. The top 50 percent of all
>>> taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes,
>>> while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
>>>
>>> The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the
>>> highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent—more than eight
>>> times the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
>>>
>>> In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income
>>> taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of
>>> taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90
>>> percent paid $450 billion.
>>>
>>
>> This is the part where they re-frame the narrative from income to
>> wealth.
>>
>
> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.

And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden. Maybe they
need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your fair
share for a change.

In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
> >>>>> Glock"@localhost.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
> >>>>>>>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
> >>>>>>>>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
> >>>>>>>>> continue to produce.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
> >>>>>>>>> any taxes.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
> have
> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
> >>>>>>>>> $3.81 Trillion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
> existing
> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any
> new
> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
> >>>>>>>>> to the public to finance large government projects.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
> >>>>>>>>> paid.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
> >>>>>>>>> income.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO
> the
> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
> >>>>>>>> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion.
> Am
> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
> >>>>>>>> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
> >>>>>>>> spend it anyway.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP.
> If
> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
> >>>>>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
> >>>>>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
> study
> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
> >>>>
> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> >> can
> >>>> do it again..
> >>>
> >>> The rich are already taxed.
> >>>
> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
> >
> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
> >
>
>
> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
> than billionaire Trump?

Really? You are scraping bottom.

In article <v20f4i$bp8t$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> wrote in
> news:v208qi$6l2l$4@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 5/14/2024 1:43 PM, Jonathan Ball's dismay wrote:
> >> On Tue, 14 May 2024 15:02:18 -0000 (UTC)
> >> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> the rich don't pay any taxes.
> >>
> >> https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/summary-latest-federal-inco
> >> me-tax-data-2023-update/
> >>
> >> The top 1 percent�s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to
> >> 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose
> >> from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent. The top 50 percent of all
> >> taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes,
> >> while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
> >>
> >> The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the
> >> highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent�more than eight
> >> times the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
> >>
> >> In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income
> >> taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of
> >> taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90
> >> percent paid $450 billion.
> >>
> >
> > This is the part where they re-frame the narrative from income to
> > wealth.
> >
>
> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.

It's called loopholes and everyone uses them.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fbh$ap50$1@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 3:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>

>> When Income tax was first instituded ONLY the rich paid that tax. The
>> poor don't have money to pay taxes, but the rich do.
>
> Good, you admit the rich are paying the taxes.

NO. In the PAST they paid taxes, now many pay none at all, and most don't
pay what they owe.

> Maybe instead of reviling
> them you should be revering them for not only carrying their load, but
> also yours.
>

So you're a toady sucking rich fuck's ass.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:

> On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:

>> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>
> And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.

Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.

> Maybe they
> need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your fair
> share for a change.
>

They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6643c6af$0$3711196$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB172867C8C708629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 5/14/2024 11:02 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> >> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vml7$5qr6$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >>> On 5/13/2024 6:52 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> >>>>> "Charlie Glock"@localhost.com says...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2024-05-13, Scout
>> >>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>> news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This one again?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tax cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> year (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is
>> >>>>>>>>> irrelevant given the sort of deficits the government is,
>> >>>>>>>>> has, and will continue to produce.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or
>> >>>>>>>>> increase any taxes.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to
>> >>>>>>>>> spend $3.81 Trillion.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the
>> existing
>> >>>>>>>>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on
>> >>>>>>>>> any
>> new
>> >>>>>>>>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds
>> >>>>>>>>> sold to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected
>> >>>>>>>>> officials.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't
>> >>>>>>>>> get paid.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources
>> >>>>>>>>> of income.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the
>> >>>>>>>> CBO
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>> >>>>>>>> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract
>> >>>>>>>> the $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4
>> >>>>>>>> trillion.
>> Am
>> >>>>>>>> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially
>> >>>>>>>> considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>> >>>>>>>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the
>> >>>>>>> GDP.
>> If
>> >>>>>>> officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop.
>> >>>>>> My issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars
>> >>>>>> on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set
>> >>>>>> aside to
>> study
>> >>>>>> how chickens mate?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending.
>> >>>> We
>> >> can
>> >>>> do it again..
>> >>>
>> >>> The rich are already taxed.
>> >>>
>> >> Many of the rich don't pay any taxes.
>> >
>> > Many of the non-rich don't either.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you proud of paying more in taxes
>> than billionaire Trump?
>
> Really? You are scraping bottom.
>

That's a real question. tRump claims to be a billionaire yet picks your
pocket and cheats on taxes.

On 5/14/2024 4:57 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fbh$ap50$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 3:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v1vv0t$6l2l$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>
>>> When Income tax was first instituded ONLY the rich paid that tax. The
>>> poor don't have money to pay taxes, but the rich do.
>>
>> Good, you admit the rich are paying the taxes.
>
> NO. In the PAST they paid taxes, now many pay none at all, and most don't
> pay what they owe.

They pay exactly what they owe. Stop blaming the taxpayer for using the
code that your lords and masters created.

>> Maybe instead of reviling
>> them you should be revering them for not only carrying their load, but
>> also yours.
>>
>
> So you're a toady sucking rich fuck's ass.

No, I'm thanking them for carrying the load that welchers like you
refuse to contribute to, all the while whining about the people that
carry your burden for you.

On 5/14/2024 4:59 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v20fdo$ap50$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/14/2024 3:47 PM, Baxter wrote:
>
>>> And the rich do creative accounting to pretend they have no income.
>>
>> And theys till foot the overwhelming majority of the burden.
>
> Most? The rich should be paying ALL of it.

Nope. You want the benefits of govt you gotta have some skin in the game.

>> Maybe they
>> need better accountants to get people like you to start paying your fair
>> share for a change.
>>
>
> They own you. Go lick the shit of their asshole, toad.

They employ you. No good deed goes unpunished does it, welcher?