Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
news:20240511161805.4e078f56@me6pd1kb9:

>
> Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
> FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in
> the United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose
> significant costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health
> care, educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration
> costs. At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for
> United States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels
> – was at least $150.7 billion.[4]
>
===========
Undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in
taxes. In spite of their undocumented status,

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/tax-contributions

=============
Immigrants in the U.S. contributed more than $330.7 billion in federal
income taxes in 2019, and over $492 billion dollars in total taxes
(including state, municipal, and sales taxes). The Tax Foundation
estimates that American and immigrant taxpayers paid $1.6 trillion in
individual income taxes in 2019. In this context, it�s important to note
that immigrants made up only 13.5% of the U.S. population in 2020,
meaning that immigrants make an outsized contribution to the U.S. revenue
system.

https://www.boundless.com/blog/boundless-releases-2022-immigrant-income-
taxation-report/

============
MYTH #4: �Immigrants increase the budget deficit and government debt.�

FACT: Immigrants in the United States have about a net zero effect on
government budgets � they pay about as much in taxes as they consume in
benefits.

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/15-myths-about-immigration-
debunked/

============
Unauthorized Immigrants Pay Greater Share of Income in State and Local
Taxes Than Top Earners

https://www.cbpp.org/blog/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-greater-share-of-
income-in-state-and-local-taxes-than-top-earners

============
The economic impact of undocumented immigrants in the United States is
challenging to measure and politically contentious. Research shows that
undocumented immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute
to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in
tax revenue than they collect,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_th
e_United_States

In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>
> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
> >
> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
> >
>
> They say so themselves.
>
> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
> =========
> By placing its people throughout the administration, the Heritage
> Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing agenda.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-heritage-
> foundation-think-tank.html
>
> =============
> Project 2025
> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America if one of
> their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in its 2025 Presidential
> Transition Project. Project 2025 is spearheaded by the far-right think
> tank Heritage Foundation and supported by more than 80 organizations,
> many well-known for their extreme positions, and for pushing hate and
> Christian nationalism.
>
> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-
> american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE

What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it. He has
over 100.000 people at his rally.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>
>> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
>> >
>> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
>> >
>>
>> They say so themselves.
>>
>> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
>> =========
>> By placing its people throughout the administration, the Heritage
>> Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing agenda.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-heritage-
>> foundation-think-tank.html
>>
>> =============
>> Project 2025
>> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America if one
>> of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in its 2025
>> Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is spearheaded by the
>> far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and supported by more than
>> 80 organizations, many well-known for their extreme positions, and
>> for pushing hate and Christian nationalism.
>>
>> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-
>> american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
>> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
>
> What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it. He
> has over 100.000 people at his rally.
>

You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?

In article <v1pc20$2go26$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>
> >> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
> >> >
> >> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
> >> >
> >>
> >> They say so themselves.
> >>
> >> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
> >> =========
> >> By placing its people throughout the administration, the Heritage
> >> Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing agenda.
> >>
> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-heritage-
> >> foundation-think-tank.html
> >>
> >> =============
> >> Project 2025
> >> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America if one
> >> of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in its 2025
> >> Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is spearheaded by the
> >> far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and supported by more than
> >> 80 organizations, many well-known for their extreme positions, and
> >> for pushing hate and Christian nationalism.
> >>
> >> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for-
> >> american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
> >> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
> >
> > What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it. He
> > has over 100.000 people at his rally.
> >
>
> You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?

I watched it you moron. It looked like a huge concert.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6640ba26$0$2363136$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v1pc20$2go26$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>,
>> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>
>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> They say so themselves.
>> >>
>> >> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
>> >> =========
>> >> By placing its people throughout the administration, the Heritage
>> >> Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing agenda.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-herita
>> >> ge- foundation-think-tank.html
>> >>
>> >> =============
>> >> Project 2025
>> >> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America if
>> >> one of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in its
>> >> 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is spearheaded
>> >> by the far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and supported by
>> >> more than 80 organizations, many well-known for their extreme
>> >> positions, and for pushing hate and Christian nationalism.
>> >>
>> >> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for
>> >> - american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
>> >> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
>> >
>> > What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it. He
>> > has over 100.000 people at his rally.
>> >
>>
>> You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?
>
> I watched it you moron. It looked like a huge concert.
>
What drugs you imbibing?
=================
Harry Sisson
@harryjsisson
WOW! Trump supporters began to LEAVE Trump�s speech in New Jersey while
he was still speaking! Even they couldn�t take it anymore! This rally was
a massive failure and a total waste of money by Trump�s campaign.

============

And did you hear when he praised Hannibal Lecter?
=======
�The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man,� Trump said at his
rally in Wildwood, New Jersey on Saturday after asking the crowd if
anyone had seen �Silence of the Lambs.�

In article <v1r60e$2uu9f$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6640ba26$0$2363136$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v1pc20$2go26$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>,
> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> They say so themselves.
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
> >> >> =========
> >> >> By placing its people throughout the administration, the Heritage
> >> >> Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing agenda.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-herita
> >> >> ge- foundation-think-tank.html
> >> >>
> >> >> =============
> >> >> Project 2025
> >> >> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America if
> >> >> one of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in its
> >> >> 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is spearheaded
> >> >> by the far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and supported by
> >> >> more than 80 organizations, many well-known for their extreme
> >> >> positions, and for pushing hate and Christian nationalism.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-for
> >> >> - american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
> >> >> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
> >> >
> >> > What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it. He
> >> > has over 100.000 people at his rally.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?
> >
> > I watched it you moron. It looked like a huge concert.
> >
> What drugs you imbibing?
> =================
> Harry Sisson
> @harryjsisson
> WOW! Trump supporters began to LEAVE Trump?s speech in New Jersey while
> he was still speaking! Even they couldn?t take it anymore! This rally was
> a massive failure and a total waste of money by Trump?s campaign.
>
> ============
>
> And did you hear when he praised Hannibal Lecter?
> =======
> ?The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man,? Trump said at his
> rally in Wildwood, New Jersey on Saturday after asking the crowd if
> anyone had seen ?Silence of the Lambs.?

I know what I saw and what I heard. You sound like Rudy. I saw it and
the crowd was there till it was over.

You and your source have the Hannibal remark out of context again.

On Sun, 12 May 2024 19:41:03 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> And did you hear
> people
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:66412e06$1$7171$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v1r60e$2uu9f$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6640ba26$0$2363136$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <v1pc20$2go26$1@dont-email.me>,
>> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>
>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>,
>> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >> >> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They say so themselves.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
>> >> >> =========
>> >> >> By placing its people throughout the administration, the
>> >> >> Heritage Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing
>> >> >> agenda.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-her
>> >> >> ita ge- foundation-think-tank.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> =============
>> >> >> Project 2025
>> >> >> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America
>> >> >> if one of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in
>> >> >> its 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is
>> >> >> spearheaded by the far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and
>> >> >> supported by more than 80 organizations, many well-known for
>> >> >> their extreme positions, and for pushing hate and Christian
>> >> >> nationalism.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-
>> >> >> for -
>> >> >> american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
>> >> >> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
>> >> >
>> >> > What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it.
>> >> > He has over 100.000 people at his rally.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?
>> >
>> > I watched it you moron. It looked like a huge concert.
>> >
>> What drugs you imbibing?
>> =================
>> Harry Sisson
>> @harryjsisson
>> WOW! Trump supporters began to LEAVE Trump?s speech in New Jersey
>> while he was still speaking! Even they couldn?t take it anymore! This
>> rally was a massive failure and a total waste of money by Trump?s
>> campaign.
>>
>> ============
>>
>> And did you hear when he praised Hannibal Lecter?
>> =======
>> ?The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man,? Trump said at
>> his rally in Wildwood, New Jersey on Saturday after asking the crowd
>> if anyone had seen ?Silence of the Lambs.?
>
> I know what I saw and what I heard. You sound like Rudy. I saw it and
> the crowd was there till it was over.

I saw the video - they were leaving while he was still blathering
https://twitter.com/harryjsisson/status/1789451036379201710?
cxt=HBwW3IKy5ZKPtNUxAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
>
> You and your source have the Hannibal remark out of context again.
>
Nope, entirely in context.

On Sun, 12 May 2024 03:12:01 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> You believe that
> people
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

On Sat, 11 May 2024 23:53:33 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> Undocumented immigrants are
> people
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

On Sat, 11 May 2024 23:38:56 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> They say so themselves.

> people
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

In article <v1rd0e$30bpq$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66412e06$1$7171$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v1r60e$2uu9f$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:6640ba26$0$2363136$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <v1pc20$2go26$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:66400802$0$2363146$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <v1ovif$2a2f4$4@dont-email.me>,
> >> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> >> news:663fa0fc$2$6452$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Because you don't agree? Who told you it was?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They say so themselves.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Also, they are in the tank for tRump
> >> >> >> =========
> >> >> >> By placing its people throughout the administration, the
> >> >> >> Heritage Foundation has succeeded in furthering its right-wing
> >> >> >> agenda.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/magazine/trump-government-her
> >> >> >> ita ge- foundation-think-tank.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> =============
> >> >> >> Project 2025
> >> >> >> The far right has made public its plans for an ?ideal? America
> >> >> >> if one of their allies wins the 2024 presidential election in
> >> >> >> its 2025 Presidential Transition Project. Project 2025 is
> >> >> >> spearheaded by the far-right think tank Heritage Foundation and
> >> >> >> supported by more than 80 organizations, many well-known for
> >> >> >> their extreme positions, and for pushing hate and Christian
> >> >> >> nationalism.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://globalextremism.org/project-2025-the-far-right-playbook-
> >> >> >> for -
> >> >> >> american-authoritarianism/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn__r7-
> >> >> >> GGhgMVOy2tBh0LjQyREAMYASAAEgIQWPD_BwE
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What's your point? I knew you would have to bring Trump into it.
> >> >> > He has over 100.000 people at his rally.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> You believe that lie? BTW, you wearing diapers now too?
> >> >
> >> > I watched it you moron. It looked like a huge concert.
> >> >
> >> What drugs you imbibing?
> >> =================
> >> Harry Sisson
> >> @harryjsisson
> >> WOW! Trump supporters began to LEAVE Trump?s speech in New Jersey
> >> while he was still speaking! Even they couldn?t take it anymore! This
> >> rally was a massive failure and a total waste of money by Trump?s
> >> campaign.
> >>
> >> ============
> >>
> >> And did you hear when he praised Hannibal Lecter?
> >> =======
> >> ?The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man,? Trump said at
> >> his rally in Wildwood, New Jersey on Saturday after asking the crowd
> >> if anyone had seen ?Silence of the Lambs.?
> >
> > I know what I saw and what I heard. You sound like Rudy. I saw it and
> > the crowd was there till it was over.
>
> I saw the video - they were leaving while he was still blathering
> https://twitter.com/harryjsisson/status/1789451036379201710?
> cxt=HBwW3IKy5ZKPtNUxAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
> >
> > You and your source have the Hannibal remark out of context again.
> >
> Nope, entirely in context.

Did you watch and listen? I bet not. You believe what your handlers tell
you. I saw it.

"Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because it
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax cuts), the
>>>>> IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year (4.6B/year * 10 years =
>>>>> 4.6T).
>>>>
>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for you.
>>>
>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>
>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>
>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant given the
>> sort of deficits the government is, has, and will continue to produce.
>>
>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase any
>> taxes.
>>
>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have to live
>> within their means like everyone else.
>>
>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend $3.81
>> Trillion.
>>
>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing state
>> and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>
>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new debt and
>> paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>
>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold to the
>> public to finance large government projects.
>>
>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>
>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get paid.
>>
>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of income.
>
> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the total
> deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and extending them
> through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the $4.6 trillion Trump tax
> cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am I supposed to feel better about
> this? Especially considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
> collected it they would spend it anyway.

As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If officials
exceed those limits there are consequences.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1o0ol$234sp$6@dont-email.me...
> Fred Barchetta <rush@movingpictures.com> wrote in
> news:v1nlt9$20mfc$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/10/2024 10:02 PM, Frank Costello wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Report Mar 27, 2023
>>> Tax Cuts Are Primarily Responsible for the Increasing Debt Ratio
>>>
>>> Without the Bush and Trump tax cuts, debt as a percentage of the
>>> economy would be declining permanently.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tax-cuts-are-primarily-respon
>>> sible- for-the-increasing-debt-ratio/
>>
>>
>> Myth No. 6: The tax cuts caused the federal budget deficit.
>>
>> Democrats and many Republicans rightly worried that the Tax Cuts and
>> Jobs Act would contribute unnecessarily to the national debt. However,
>> claims that the tax cuts are responsible for the federal
>> governmentâ?Ts poor fiscal health are a misdiagnosis of trends that
>> are decades in the making.
>>
>> The TCJA did increase the budget deficit, but the law is not the
>> underlying cause of the unsustainable U.S. budget. The systemic gap
>> between revenues and expenditures is driven by sustained growth in
>> mandatory spending programs since the 1970s.
>>
>> Repealing the 2017 tax cuts would not change the trajectory of
>> increasing federal budget deficits. The tax cuts (even if made
>> permanent) represent only about 16% of the pre-pandemic budget
>> deficit, *and one yearâ?Ts projected deficit in 2030 is larger than
>> the entire 10-year cost of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act as passed*
>>
>> The 2017 tax cuts represented critical structural reforms to the U.S.
>> tax code that will need to be made permanent in the coming years.
>> Setting the record straight on the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is crucial to
>> ensuring Congress chooses to keep taxes low and make the 2017 reforms
>> permanent.
>>
>> Reversing the tax cuts based on a mischaracterization of the true
>> effects would make the economic recovery from COVID-19 much more
>> challenging by increasing costs for American businesses and families.
>>
>> https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/debunking-6-myths-about-the-t
>> ax-cuts-and-jobs-act
>>
>
> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.

Prove it.. or is that what you call anything that doesn't agree with your
beliefs?

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1p0ds$2aemi$1@dont-email.me...
> Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240511161805.4e078f56@me6pd1kb9:
>
>
>>
>> Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
>> FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in
>> the United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose
>> significant costs on U.S. taxpayers â?" ranging from shelter, health
>> care, educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration
>> costs. At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for
>> United States taxpayers â?" at the federal, state, and local levels
>> â?" was at least $150.7 billion.[4]
>>
> ===========
> Undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars each year in
> taxes. In spite of their undocumented status,
>
> https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/tax-contributions

So do other criminals.. but they are still criminals and their proceeds are
the result of crime.

Baxter admits that illegal immigration is a big problem.

On 5/11/2024 3:28 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <MaP%N.66098$iMKd.29595@fx12.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 5/11/2024 10:40 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <5XN%N.117248$lwqa.14245@fx18.iad>,
>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>
>>>> On 5/11/2024 9:46 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>>>> In article <v1o0ol$234sp$6@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred Barchetta <rush@movingpictures.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1nlt9$20mfc$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2024 10:02 PM, Frank Costello wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Report Mar 27, 2023
>>>>>>>> Tax Cuts Are Primarily Responsible for the Increasing Debt Ratio
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without the Bush and Trump tax cuts, debt as a percentage of the
>>>>>>>> economy would be declining permanently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tax-cuts-are-primarily-respon
>>>>>>>> sible- for-the-increasing-debt-ratio/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Myth No. 6: The tax cuts caused the federal budget deficit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democrats and many Republicans rightly worried that the Tax Cuts and
>>>>>>> Jobs Act would contribute unnecessarily to the national debt. However,
>>>>>>> claims that the tax cuts are responsible for the federal
>>>>>>> government�s poor fiscal health are a misdiagnosis of trends that
>>>>>>> are decades in the making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The TCJA did increase the budget deficit, but the law is not the
>>>>>>> underlying cause of the unsustainable U.S. budget. The systemic gap
>>>>>>> between revenues and expenditures is driven by sustained growth in
>>>>>>> mandatory spending programs since the 1970s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Repealing the 2017 tax cuts would not change the trajectory of
>>>>>>> increasing federal budget deficits. The tax cuts (even if made
>>>>>>> permanent) represent only about 16% of the pre-pandemic budget
>>>>>>> deficit, *and one year�s projected deficit in 2030 is larger than
>>>>>>> the entire 10-year cost of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act as passed*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 2017 tax cuts represented critical structural reforms to the U.S.
>>>>>>> tax code that will need to be made permanent in the coming years.
>>>>>>> Setting the record straight on the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is crucial to
>>>>>>> ensuring Congress chooses to keep taxes low and make the 2017 reforms
>>>>>>> permanent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reversing the tax cuts based on a mischaracterization of the true
>>>>>>> effects would make the economic recovery from COVID-19 much more
>>>>>>> challenging by increasing costs for American businesses and families.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/debunking-6-myths-about-the-t
>>>>>>> ax-cuts-and-jobs-act
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heritage is a conservaturd propaganda mill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you don't agree?
>>>>
>>>> No ? because that's what it is.
>>>>
>>>> It's actually a shame, because it didn't used to be. Heritage once was a
>>>> respectably conservative outfit. Liberals may not have agreed with their policy
>>>> positions, but Heritage analysts and opinion writers made reasonable and
>>>> defensible cases for them. They were never strident. Something changed a few
>>>> years ago, and they turned much harder right. It's worth noting that Heritage is
>>>> the leading group planning Trump's fascist administration if he wins:
>>>>
>>>> What would a second Trump term look like? His bluster on the stump ? ?I am
>>>> your retribution??contrasts with a first term in office where his menace was
>>>> mitigated by his sloth, ignorance and incompetence. But don?t count on that
>>>> if he wins in the fall.
>>>>
>>>> This time, the right is intent on turning Trumpism into a governing agenda.
>>>> The Heritage Foundation, the right?s premier policy institute, has launched a
>>>> multimillion-dollar Project 2025 to recruit, train and plant MAGA operatives
>>>> throughout the government, and arm them with clear marching orders.
>>>>
>>>> Project 2025 includes four elements: The 900-plus-page Mandate for
>>>> Leadership: The Conservative Promise details the right?s agenda for each
>>>> major department and agency in the federal government; the Playbook, a still
>>>> secret compilation of executive orders and initiatives for the first 180 days
>>>> of the administration; a right-wing ?LinkedIn? designed to recruit and vet
>>>> thousands of MAGA movement operatives to staff the government; and a
>>>> Presidential Administration Academy to train them on how to operate.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/will-the-heritage-foundations-project-2025-turn-trumpism-into-a-governing-agenda/
>>>>
>>>> Trump has already said he's going to be a dictator. Forget that stinking "day
>>>> one" bullshit ? he means *starting on* day one and continuing for the entire term.
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't know what he meant.
>>
>> We all know what he meant. He meant he intends to rule as a dictator. That's
>> what he meant and means.
>
> TINW

YTIW

>>
>>>>
>>>> He's not going to win. We're going to stop him. YTIW
>>>
>>> "you' wont be doing anything.
>>
>> Wrong, you stupid shit-4-braincell.
>
> You haven't yet.

Wrong, you stupid shit-4-braincell.

On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This one again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax cuts), the
>>>>>> IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year (4.6B/year * 10 years =
>>>>>> 4.6T).
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for you.
>>>>
>>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>>>
>>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>>>
>>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant given the
>>> sort of deficits the government is, has, and will continue to produce.
>>>
>>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase any
>>> taxes.
>>>
>>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have to live
>>> within their means like everyone else.
>>>
>>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend $3.81
>>> Trillion.
>>>
>>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing state
>>> and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>>>
>>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new debt and
>>> paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>>>
>>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold to the
>>> public to finance large government projects.
>>>
>>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>>>
>>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get paid.
>>>
>>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of income.
>>
>> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the total
>> deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and extending them
>> through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the $4.6 trillion Trump tax
>> cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am I supposed to feel better about
>> this? Especially considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
>> collected it they would spend it anyway.
>
> As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If officials
> exceed those limits there are consequences.
>

Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My issue is more of a what are they
spending my tax dollars on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
study how chickens mate?

As a nation we need to fund the military so it remains strong.
Patrol the borders and the illegal crosser types or those with scripted asylum claims should be
sent back immediately and instructed in the process to apply legally.
Our infrastructure, highways, airports, internet access, electrical grid and just about everything
is in dire need of repair. I flew into JFK in New York City a couple of weeks ago, not a Boeing
plane thank goodness, and the once diamond of an airport looks like something one would see landing
in Haiti. It is a disgusting shame. The JetBlue terminal is actually quite nice and modern but the
rest of it is like a dive bar with sticky floors.
Trump was unable to pass the infrastructure bill as Obama was as well. Joe Biden did manage to pass
a bill, to his credit. I have not looked into exactly what is in the bill though. Hopefully it's
not packed with pork.
The country needs to be fiscally responsible or else we are going to collapse under all of this
debt.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
Glock"@localhost.com says...
>
> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
> >> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
> >>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
> >>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This one again?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because it
> >>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax cuts), the
> >>>>>> IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year (4.6B/year * 10 years =
> >>>>>> 4.6T).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
> >>>
> >>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant given the
> >>> sort of deficits the government is, has, and will continue to produce.
> >>>
> >>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase any
> >>> taxes.
> >>>
> >>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have to live
> >>> within their means like everyone else.
> >>>
> >>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend $3.81
> >>> Trillion.
> >>>
> >>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing state
> >>> and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
> >>>
> >>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new debt and
> >>> paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
> >>>
> >>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold to the
> >>> public to finance large government projects.
> >>>
> >>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
> >>>
> >>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get paid.
> >>>
> >>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of income.
> >>
> >> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the total
> >> deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and extending them
> >> through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the $4.6 trillion Trump tax
> >> cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am I supposed to feel better about
> >> this? Especially considering, as Ford correctly noted, even if the govt
> >> collected it they would spend it anyway.
> >
> > As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If officials
> > exceed those limits there are consequences.
> >
>
> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My issue is more of a what are they
> spending my tax dollars on? Are these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to
> study how chickens mate?
>
> As a nation we need to fund the military so it remains strong.
> Patrol the borders and the illegal crosser types or those with scripted asylum claims should be
> sent back immediately and instructed in the process to apply legally.
> Our infrastructure, highways, airports, internet access, electrical grid and just about everything
> is in dire need of repair. I flew into JFK in New York City a couple of weeks ago, not a Boeing
> plane thank goodness, and the once diamond of an airport looks like something one would see landing
> in Haiti. It is a disgusting shame. The JetBlue terminal is actually quite nice and modern but the
> rest of it is like a dive bar with sticky floors.
> Trump was unable to pass the infrastructure bill as Obama was as well. Joe Biden did manage to pass
> a bill, to his credit. I have not looked into exactly what is in the bill though. Hopefully it's
> not packed with pork.

It was.

> The country needs to be fiscally responsible or else we are going to collapse under all of this
> debt.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:66428aac$0$2363145$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <6642836f$0$6559$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, "Charlie
> Glock"@localhost.com says...
>>
>> On 2024-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > "Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message
>> > news:v1o9ok$24n0i$1@dont-email.me...
>> >> On 5/11/2024 8:05 AM, Scout wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Ford Prefect" <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:v1m2r4$1hjhg$3@dont-email.me...
>> >>>> On 5/10/2024 5:02 PM, spaminator wrote:
>> >>>>> Ford Prefect <hhgttg@galaxy.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> This one again?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Let's assume what the CBO says is correct (you can't because
>> >>>>>> it doesn't
>> >>>>>> account for the increased tax receipts that occur under tax
>> >>>>>> cuts), the IRS would have collected $4.6 billion per year
>> >>>>>> (4.6B/year * 10 years = 4.6T).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ROFL. Your arithmetic skills are broke. Back to 3rd grade for
>> >>>>> you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What's broke? Or were you educated at a public school?
>> >>>
>> >>> 4.6B/year * 10 years = 46B
>> >>>
>> >>> On the other hand, lets point out that difference is irrelevant
>> >>> given the sort of deficits the government is, has, and will
>> >>> continue to produce.
>> >>>
>> >>> We need to eliminate the power of government to add or increase
>> >>> any taxes.
>> >>>
>> >>> They get 15% of the GDP (federal, state and local) and they have
>> >>> to live within their means like everyone else.
>> >>>
>> >>> Currently that would allow all levels of government to spend
>> >>> $3.81 Trillion.
>> >>>
>> >>> Another 5% would be applied directly to paying down the existing
>> >>> state and national debts (and would not apply to new debt)
>> >>>
>> >>> The FIRST budgetary item would be to pay the interest on any new
>> >>> debt and paying off 5% of the principle of such debt.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Secondary budget item would be to service of any bonds sold
>> >>> to the public to finance large government projects.
>> >>>
>> >>> The FINAL budget item would be pay for the elected officials.
>> >>>
>> >>> In short, if the government is going into debt.. they don't get
>> >>> paid.
>> >>>
>> >>> Further they are prohibited from having any other sources of
>> >>> income.
>> >>
>> >> Let's take it even another step further. According to the CBO the
>> >> total deficts from the beginning of the Trump tax cuts, and
>> >> extending them through 2033, is about $31 trillion. Subtract the
>> >> $4.6 trillion Trump tax cuts and you still have $26.4 trillion. Am
>> >> I supposed to feel better about this? Especially considering, as
>> >> Ford correctly noted, even if the govt collected it they would
>> >> spend it anyway.
>> >
>> > As I said limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. If
>> > officials exceed those limits there are consequences.
>> >
>>
>> Both parties spend like drunken sailors and it needs to stop. My
>> issue is more of a what are they spending my tax dollars on? Are
>> these bills productive or are millions of dollars set aside to study
>> how chickens mate?

In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
do it again..

On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

>In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
>do it again..

No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich. They would prefer that we
burn the place down and then appoint Trump as dictator.

Democracy let's the morons destroy a nation.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> can do it again..

That's called a taking, you filthy income thief!

On Mon, 13 May 2024 16:50:27 -0700
Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
> >can do it again..
>
> No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich. They would prefer that we
> burn the place down and then appoint Xiden as dictator.
>
> Democracy let's the libtards destroy a nation.

fify!

Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
news:20240513180826.33f9f6c8@me6pd1kb9:

> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC)
> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>> can do it again..
>
>
> That's called a taking, you filthy income thief!
>
>

Republicans then were fine with high taxes.

Jonathan Ball's dismay <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
news:20240513180952.3606a8a3@me6pd1kb9:

> On Mon, 13 May 2024 16:50:27 -0700
> Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We
>> >can do it again..
>>
>> No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich. They would prefer that we
>> burn the place down and then appoint Xiden as dictator.
>>
>> Democracy let's the libtards destroy a nation.
>
> fify!
>
>

The worm ate your brain and then shit itself to death.

In article <lafna3F942mU1@mid.individual.net>, samt@samt.invalid says...
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:52:46 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >In the 50's and 60's we taxed the rich to pay for out spending. We can
> >do it again..
>
> No, the dweebs are against taxing the rich. They would prefer that we
> burn the place down and then appoint Trump as dictator.
>
> Democracy let's the morons destroy a nation.

Oh the irony.