On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
> in
> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
> ing.dwarf.com:
>
>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in
>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>> ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>
>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE Director
>>>>>>>> Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a tough, approach
>>>>>>>> to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery confrontations with
>>>>>>>> Democrats and his unwavering stance on deportation, is set to
>>>>>>>> lead Trump's aggressive immigration plan, which aims to deport
>>>>>>>> millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated much of
>>>>>> the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in agriculture, and
>>>>> we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>
>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you will take their place in
>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>
>
>
> So where are they when growers need them?

There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill unauthorized
immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a level that American
citizens and authorized immigrants will accept to work in agriculture. But low
grocery prices is not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
without authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal
entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are
here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."

1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
2. create a temporary worker program
3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants

> Ron DeSantis’s immigration law is
> already leading to worker shortages
> May 17, 2023
> https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-
> florida
>
>
>
>

[Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:

> But low
>grocery prices is not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
>without authorization.

Holy fuck. Even *"Cunt Flaps" Canoza gets it!

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:

> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote in
>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocks
>> uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>
>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in
>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
>>>> ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>
>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE Director
>>>>>>>>> Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a tough,
>>>>>>>>> approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated much
>>>>>>> of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in agriculture,
>>>>>> and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So where are they when growers need them?
>
> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept to
> work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument for
> allowing immigrants to enter the country without authorization. Every
> reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal entry into the
> country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are here.
> NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."
>
> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry

No president has done that.

> 2. create a temporary worker program

Why didn't Trump do that before?

> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>

At $10,000 per migrant.

>
>> Ron DeSantis’s immigration law is
>> already leading to worker shortages
>> May 17, 2023
>> https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-
>> florida
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in
>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocks
>>> uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>
>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote in
>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
>>>>> ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE Director
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a tough,
>>>>>>>>>> approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated much
>>>>>>>> of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in agriculture,
>>>>>>> and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>
>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept to
>> work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument for
>> allowing immigrants to enter the country without authorization. Every
>> reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal entry into the
>> country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are here.
>> NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."
>>
>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>
> No president has done that.

But it unequivocally *should* be done.

>
>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>
>
> Why didn't Trump do that before?

Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires congressional action.

>
>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>>
>
> At $10,000 per migrant.

Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to support them.

The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done. Lots of things
that should be done cost money, and *you* support spending the money to do them.

J Carlson wrote:

> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
> > news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
> >
> > > On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > Klaus Schadenfreude
> > > > <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
> > > > .cocks uck ing.dwarf.com:
> > > >
> >>>>[Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Klaus Schadenfreude
> > > > > > <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.for
> > > > > > ging.coc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
> > > > > >
> >>>>>>[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
> > > > > > >
> >>>>>>>Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
> > > > > > > > @news.tambov.ru:
> > > > > > > >
> >>>>>>>>Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sanity Returns wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former
> > > > > > > > > > > ICE Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,'
> > > > > > > > > > > signaling a tough, approach to immigration.
> > > > > > > > > > > Homan, known for his fiery confrontations with
> > > > > > > > > > > Democrats and his unwavering stance on
> > > > > > > > > > > deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive
> > > > > > > > > > > immigration plan, which aims to deport millions
> > > > > > > > > > > of undocumented migrants.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I see he is still negotiating bribes from
> > > > > > > > > > agricultural monopolies.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to get with the times. Automation has
> > > > > > > > > eliminated much of the need for migrant labor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
> > > > > > > > agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our
> > > > > > > > food.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >>>>> And you will take their place in
> > > > > > the fields and slaughterhouses and
> > > > > > nursing home bedpan crews, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> So where are they when growers need them?
> > >
> > > There is zero doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
> > > unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
> > > level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will
> > > accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an
> > > argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
> > > authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
> > > illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
> > > manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
> > > billion wall."
> > >
> > > 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
> >
> > No president has done that.
>
> But it unequivocally should be done.
>
> >
> > > 2. create a temporary worker program
> >
> >
> > Why didn't Trump do that before?
>
> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
> congressional action.
>
> >
> > > 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
> > > immigrants
> > >
> >
> > At $10,000 per migrant.
>
> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
> support them.
>
> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done. Lots
> of things that should be done cost money, and you support spending
> the money to do them.

I support spending money to suck dick.

--
I'm Klaus Schadenfreude and I suck dick.

On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:49:36 -0800, J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
wrote:

(snip)

>There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill unauthorized
>immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a level that American
>citizens and authorized immigrants will accept to work in agriculture. But low
>grocery prices is not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
>without authorization. ...

High grocery prices was often used as an argument for voting for
Trump. If wages in the agriculture sector go up, it will inevitably
lead to even higher prices.

> ... Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal
>entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are
>here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."

I'm sure Elon Musk could build it for $100 million. He could build it
on Mars in 2027, if he wanted to. He's a genius, you know.
>
>1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry

How would you implement that?

>2. create a temporary worker program

A lot of things need to be done right for it to not depress wages.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
"In 2023, median usual weekly earnings of foreign-born full-time wage
and salary workers ($987) were 86.6 percent of the earnings of their
native-born counterparts ($1,140)."

It seems like the legal status of the foreign workers is not the
determining factor when it comes to the level of the wages.

>3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants

May I also suggest

4. Stiff penalties for those, who knowingly employ illegal immigrants?

--
Malte Runz

Malte Runz wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:49:36 -0800, J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > There is zero doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
> > unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
> > level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
> > to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
> > for allowing immigrants to enter the country without authorization.
> > ...
>
> High grocery prices was often used as an argument for voting for
> Trump. If wages in the agriculture sector go up, it will inevitably
> lead to even higher prices.
>
> > ... Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal
> > entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner,
> > those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."
>
> I'm sure Elon Musk could build it for $100 million.

I'm okay with a wall, provided there are glory holes in it.

> He could build it
> on Mars in 2027, if he wanted to. He's a genius, you know.

So what? I'm a faggot, you know. What's the difference.

> >
> > 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>
> How would you implement that?
>
> > 2. create a temporary worker program
>
> A lot of things need to be done right for it to not depress wages.
> https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
> "In 2023, median usual weekly earnings of foreign-born full-time wage
> and salary workers ($987) were 86.6 percent of the earnings of their
> native-born counterparts ($1,140)."
>
> It seems like the legal status of the foreign workers is not the
> determining factor when it comes to the level of the wages.
>
> > 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>
> May I also suggest
>
> 4. Stiff penalties for those, who knowingly employ illegal immigrants?

I prefer stiff dicks, myself. I knowingly suck illegal immigrant dick.

--
I'm Klaus Schadenfreude and I suck dick.

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:

> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in
>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
>>>> ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>
>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>> oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>
>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without authorization.
>>> Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal entry into
>>> the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are
>>> here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."
>>>
>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>
>> No president has done that.
>
> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>
>>
>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>
>>
>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>
> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires congressional
> action.
>
>>
>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>>>
>>
>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>
> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
> support them.
>

https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y

https://tinyurl.com/29c7v6v2

> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done. Lots
> of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support spending
> the money to do them.

Suppose you do deport them all,
what then?

Housing prices will go up, grocery
prices will go up, hotel and hospital
prices go up, and the illegals will
STILL find a way across because that
is what they do.

No wonder Reagan granted amnesty to
the illegals, America cannot afford
the alternative.

Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote in
news:p4efjj5805vrkajqolaeghoanjnh9a80c0@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:49:36 -0800, J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>
> How would you implement that?

"Just seal the border" reminds me of
Greg Abbott's solution to rape pregancies,
that is to say, just eliminate rape.

Greg Abbott Said He'd "Eliminate Rape" to Justify an Abortion Ban.
JANUARY 25, 2024
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/01/abbott-texas-abortion-ban-
rape-record-pregnancies-failure/

On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote in
>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
>>>>> ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>>> oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>
>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without authorization.
>>>> Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent illegal entry into
>>>> the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are
>>>> here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100 billion wall."
>>>>
>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>
>>> No president has done that.
>>
>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>
>>>
>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>
>>>
>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>
>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires congressional
>> action.
>>
>>>
>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>>>>
>>>
>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>
>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>> support them.
>>
>
>
> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y

From *your* source:

Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels
of education — most have not completed high school or have only a high school
education. There is also agreement that immigrants with this level of
education are a significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs for
government than they pay in taxes.

The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used)
of immigrants based on their educational attainment. Averaging those
estimates and applying them to the education level of illegal immigrants
shows a net fiscal drain of $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for
their children.2

Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of $746.3
billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are in the country
based on the U.S. government's most recent estimate.

The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion compares to
total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion, assuming a FY 2016 cost per
deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY 2012 deportation costs.

So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost of
deporting them. Your case is demolished.

But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think should be
done that cost money with no fiscal return.

>
>> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done. Lots
>> of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support spending
>> the money to do them.
>
>
> Suppose you do deport them all,
> what then?

Then we won't have the social and political irritant of having a huge population
of non-citizens who are here without authorization. You seem to be unaware that
that was a big part of the Democrats losing the presidency and returning the
corrupt felon and insurrectionist to office.

>
> Housing prices will go up, grocery
> prices will go up, hotel and hospital
> prices go up, and the illegals will
> STILL find a way across because that
> is what they do.

See above about more effectively securing the border. Yes, some number of
unauthorized immigrants will still leak through the border, but many fewer.

>
> No wonder Reagan granted amnesty to
> the illegals, America cannot afford
> the alternative.
That's not why it was done, and Reagan didn't do it. Congress did it.

J Carlson wrote:
> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
>> in
>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
>> ing.dwarf.com:
>>
>>> [Default]  Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in
>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>>> ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>
>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in news:vh3sd6$1rld$1
>>>>>> @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE Director
>>>>>>>>> Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a tough, approach
>>>>>>>>> to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery confrontations with
>>>>>>>>> Democrats and his unwavering stance on deportation, is set to
>>>>>>>>> lead Trump's aggressive immigration plan, which aims to deport
>>>>>>>>> millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doubtful.  They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to get with the times.  Automation has eliminated much of
>>>>>>> the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your dreams.  There's still millions employed in agriculture, and
>>>>>> we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   And you will take their place in
>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>
>>
>>
>>      So where are they when growers need them?
>
> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a level
> that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept to work in
> agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument for allowing
> immigrants to enter the country without authorization. Every reasonable
> effort should be made to prevent illegal entry into the country and to
> remove, in a non-chaotic manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable"
> means "no $100 billion wall."
>
> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
> 2. create a temporary worker program
> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized immigrants
>
>
>> Ron DeSantis’s immigration law is
>> already leading to worker shortages
>> May 17, 2023
>> https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-
>> florida
>>
>>
>>
>
I’m never smoking weed with immigrants again, I asked "Anyone have any
papers?" and they all ran like fuck. I hate immigrants, if I could find
a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:

> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>> oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>> .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>
>>>> No president has done that.
>>>
>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>
>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>> congressional action.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>
>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>> support them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>
> From *your* source:
>

"the average cost of a deportation, also
referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
and processing."

>
> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
> modest levels of education — most have not completed high school
> or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that
> immigrants with this level of education are a significant net
> fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay
> in taxes.

So Americans with only high school
educations are a "drain" that "costs
the government". Should we deport them
as well?

> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of
> $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.2
>
> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of
> $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are
> in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent
> estimate.
>
> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY
> 2012 deportation costs.
>
> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost
> of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>
> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>

From the URL you deleted:

"Each deportation conducted by ICE cost
taxpayers an average of $10,854 in fiscal
2016, an official from the agency told
CNNMoney"

>>
>>> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done.
>>> Lots of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support
>>> spending the money to do them.
>>
>>
>> Suppose you do deport them all,
>> what then?
>
> Then we won't have the social and political irritant of having a huge
> population of non-citizens who are here without authorization. You
> seem to be unaware that that was a big part of the Democrats losing
> the presidency and returning the corrupt felon and insurrectionist to
> office.

Is that what this boils down to? Brown
people doing jobs white people won't is an
"irritant"?

Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:

> if I could
> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.

A quote for the ages..........

On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>>> oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>>> .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>
>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>
>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>
>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>> congressional action.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>> support them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>
>> From *your* source:
>>
>
> "the average cost of a deportation, also
> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
> and processing."
>
>
>>
>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high school
>> or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that
>> immigrants with this level of education are a significant net
>> fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay
>> in taxes.
>
>
> So Americans with only high school
> educations are a "drain" that "costs
> the government". Should we deport them
> as well?
>
>
>
>
>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of
>> $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.2
>>
>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of
>> $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are
>> in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent
>> estimate.
>>
>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY
>> 2012 deportation costs.
>>
>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost
>> of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>
>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>
>
>
> From the URL you deleted:
>
>
> "Each deportation

You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith, ignore *your*
source's documentation that the fiscal effects of not deporting them *exceed*
the cost of deporting them?

>
>>>
>>>> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done.
>>>> Lots of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support
>>>> spending the money to do them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suppose you do deport them all,
>>> what then?
>>
>> Then we won't have the social and political irritant of having a huge
>> population of non-citizens who are here without authorization. You
>> seem to be unaware that that was a big part of the Democrats losing
>> the presidency and returning the corrupt felon and insurrectionist to
>> office.
>
> Is that what this boils down to?
♣

On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
>
>> if I could
>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
>
>
> A quote for the ages.......... ♣

It's also a forgery. Rudy Canoza didn't write that. I don't know who wrote it,
because I can't see the post to which you're replying.

On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 19:38:55 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>>> oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>>> .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>
>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>
>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>
>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>> congressional action.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>> support them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>
>> From *your* source:
>>
>
>"the average cost of a deportation, also
>referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>and processing."
>
>
>>
>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high school
>> or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that
>> immigrants with this level of education are a significant net
>> fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay
>> in taxes.
>
>
> So Americans with only high school
>educations are a "drain" that "costs
>the government". Should we deport them
>as well?
>
>
>
>
>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of
>> $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.2
>>
>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of
>> $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are
>> in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent
>> estimate.
>>
>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY
>> 2012 deportation costs.
>>
>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost
>> of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>
>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>
>
>
> From the URL you deleted:
>
>
>"Each deportation conducted by ICE cost
>taxpayers an average of $10,854 in fiscal
>2016, an official from the agency told
>CNNMoney"
>

Perhaps... if that's what it cost the Obama ICE in 2016.

>>>
>>>> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done.
>>>> Lots of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support
>>>> spending the money to do them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suppose you do deport them all,
>>> what then?
>>
>> Then we won't have the social and political irritant of having a huge
>> population of non-citizens who are here without authorization. You
>> seem to be unaware that that was a big part of the Democrats losing
>> the presidency and returning the corrupt felon and insurrectionist to
>> office.
>
>
>
> Is that what this boils down to? Brown
>people doing jobs white people won't is an
>"irritant"?

On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
>>>>>>> oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>>> .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>
>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>
>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>
>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>> congressional action.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>> support them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>
>> From *your* source:
>>
>
> "the average cost of a deportation,

You said that already. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith, ignore the
*other* part of your citation that proves that *not* deporting them costs more
than deporting them? Why did you unethically snip that part?

>
>
>>
>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high school
>> or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that
>> immigrants with this level of education are a significant net
>> fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay
>> in taxes.
>
>
> So Americans with only high school
> educations are a "drain" that "costs
> the government".

Who says they are?

>
>
>
>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of
>> $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.2

Why do you ignore this?

>>
>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of
>> $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are
>> in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent
>> estimate.

Why do you ignore this.

>>
>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY
>> 2012 deportation costs.
>>
>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost
>> of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>
>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>
>
>
> From the URL you deleted:

I acknowledged the excerpt. There is no need to leave the URL in my reply.

>
>
> "Each deportation conducted by ICE

You said that already.

>

[Default] Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:

>On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
>> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
>>
>>> if I could
>>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
>>
>>
>> A quote for the ages.......... ?
>
>It's also a forgery.

No, it's not a forgery

If there is a cock to suck
Then Rudy is your guy
He may past retirement age
But still he's pretty spry
He has no trouble getting down
Upon his bony knees
And sucking on your schwanzstucker
With practiced skill and ease
Don't hesitate to get your nut
Into his soft white mouth
'Cuz he's the best no matter where
East, west, north, or south!
So come down to the Jolly Kone
You know he knows the owner!
And let him do his magic
On your incredible stiff boner!

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhasrq$4ciq$5@dont-email.me:

> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>> .c oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forgi
>>>>>>>>>> ng .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration plan, which aims to deport millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below
>>>>>>> a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will
>>>>>>> accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an
>>>>>>> argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>>> support them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>
>>> From *your* source:
>>>
>>
>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>> and processing."
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high
>>> school or have only a high school education. There is also
>>> agreement that immigrants with this level of education are a
>>> significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs for
>>> government than they pay in taxes.
>>
>>
>> So Americans with only high school
>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>> the government". Should we deport them
>> as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain
>>> of $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their
>>> children.2
>>>
>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain
>>> of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>> most recent estimate.
>>>
>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using
>>> FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>
>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>
>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the URL you deleted:
>>
>>
>> "Each deportation
>
> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,

On 11/16/2024 6:58 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhasrq$4ciq$5@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>> news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>>>>>>>> .c oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forgi
>>>>>>>>>>> ng .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration plan, which aims to deport millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below
>>>>>>>> a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will
>>>>>>>> accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an
>>>>>>>> argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>>>> support them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>>
>>>> From *your* source:
>>>>
>>>
>>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>>> and processing."
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>>>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high
>>>> school or have only a high school education. There is also
>>>> agreement that immigrants with this level of education are a
>>>> significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs for
>>>> government than they pay in taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> So Americans with only high school
>>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>>> the government". Should we deport them
>>> as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>>>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>>>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>>>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain
>>>> of $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their
>>>> children.2
>>>>
>>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain
>>>> of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>>> most recent estimate.
>>>>
>>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>>>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>>>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using
>>>> FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>>
>>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>>
>>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>>>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From the URL you deleted:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Each deportation
>>
>> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,
>
>
> You delete the proof

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
>> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
>>
>>> if I could
>>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
>>
>>
>>     A quote for the ages.......... ♣
>
> It's also a forgery. Rudy Canoza didn't write that. I don't know who
> wrote it, because I can't see the post to which you're replying.
>
>
Stop forging me you asshole!

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhbq8a$f9f2$2@dont-email.me:

> On 11/16/2024 6:58 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vhasrq$4ciq$5@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>> news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forgi
>>>>>>>>>> ng .c oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.for
>>>>>>>>>>>> gi ng .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive immigration plan, which aims to deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor
>>>>>>>>> below a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants
>>>>>>>>> will accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is
>>>>>>>>> not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
>>>>>>>>> without authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made
>>>>>>>>> to prevent illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a
>>>>>>>>> non-chaotic manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable"
>>>>>>>>> means "no $100 billion wall."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing
>>>>>>> to support them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>>>
>>>>> From *your* source:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>>>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>>>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>>>> and processing."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly
>>>>> have modest levels of education — most have not completed
>>>>> high school or have only a high school education. There is
>>>>> also agreement that immigrants with this level of education
>>>>> are a significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs
>>>>> for government than they pay in taxes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So Americans with only high school
>>>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>>>> the government". Should we deport them
>>>> as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid
>>>>> minus services used) of immigrants based on their
>>>>> educational attainment. Averaging those estimates and
>>>>> applying them to the education level of illegal immigrants
>>>>> shows a net fiscal drain of $65,292 per illegal —
>>>>> excluding any costs for their children.2
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal
>>>>> drain of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>>>> most recent estimate.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3
>>>>> billion compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1
>>>>> billion, assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6
>>>>> billion using FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you
>>>>> think should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From the URL you deleted:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Each deportation
>>>
>>> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,
>>
>>
>> You delete the proof
>
> *You* delete the proof, from your *own* site, that shows the fiscal
> cost of leaving illegals here *exceeds* the cost of deporting them. Go
> back and look at your citation, you liar.
>
>>
>>> ignore *your* source's documentation that the fiscal effects of not
>>> deporting them *exceed* the cost of deporting them?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The part you deleted
>
> The part *you* refuse to read and acknowledge proves that the cost of
> *not* deporting them exceeds the cost of deporting them.
>
> Why are you so dishonest? Why do you not acknowledge *all* of what
> your citation says, instead of just cherry-picking?
>

Rudy Cánoza wrote:

> [Default] Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>
> > On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
> >> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
> >>
> >>> if I could
> >>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
> >>
> >>
> >> A quote for the ages.......... ?
> >
> > It's also a forgery.
>
> No, it's not a forgery
>
>
> If there is a cock to suck
> Then Rudy is your guy
> He may past retirement age
> But still he's pretty spry
> He has no trouble getting down
> Upon his bony knees
> And sucking on your schwanzstucker
> With practiced skill and ease
> Don't hesitate to get your nut
> Into his soft white mouth
> 'Cuz he's the best no matter where
> East, west, north, or south!
> So come down to the Jolly Kone
> You know he knows the owner!
> And let him do his magic
> On your incredible stiff boner!

No way. Rudy can't be the best dick sucker because I am. I invite
everybody to come to my glory hole and learn the truth.

--
I'm Klaus Schadenfreude and I suck dick.

kleine klauschen wrote:
> Rudy Cánoza wrote:
>
>> [Default] Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
>>>> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
>>>>
>>>>> if I could
>>>>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A quote for the ages.......... ?
>>>
>>> It's also a forgery.
>>
>> No, it's not a forgery
>>
>>
>> If there is a cock to suck
>> Then Rudy is your guy
>> He may past retirement age
>> But still he's pretty spry
>> He has no trouble getting down
>> Upon his bony knees
>> And sucking on your schwanzstucker
>> With practiced skill and ease
>> Don't hesitate to get your nut
>> Into his soft white mouth
>> 'Cuz he's the best no matter where
>> East, west, north, or south!
>> So come down to the Jolly Kone
>> You know he knows the owner!
>> And let him do his magic
>> On your incredible stiff boner!
>
> No way. Rudy can't be the best dick sucker because I am. I invite
> everybody to come to my glory hole and learn the truth.
>
>

I woke up to a surprise blowjob today, I should really start sleeping
with my mouth closed!

kleine klauschen wrote:
> Rudy Cánoza wrote:
>
>> [Default] Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2024 11:40 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.com> wrote in
>>>> news:18088621be6ac681$6118$1837046$60dd6a6a@news.thecubenet.com:
>>>>
>>>>> if I could
>>>>> find a country that didn't take immigrants in I'd move there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A quote for the ages.......... ?
>>>
>>> It's also a forgery.
>>
>> No, it's not a forgery
>>
>>
>> If there is a cock to suck
>> Then Rudy is your guy
>> He may past retirement age
>> But still he's pretty spry
>> He has no trouble getting down
>> Upon his bony knees
>> And sucking on your schwanzstucker
>> With practiced skill and ease
>> Don't hesitate to get your nut
>> Into his soft white mouth
>> 'Cuz he's the best no matter where
>> East, west, north, or south!
>> So come down to the Jolly Kone
>> You know he knows the owner!
>> And let him do his magic
>> On your incredible stiff boner!
>
> No way. Rudy can't be the best dick sucker because I am. I invite
> everybody to come to my glory hole and learn the truth.
>
>
I told my sister she gives better blowjobs than our mother
does, and she said that's what our dad told her too.