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* Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVsAndrew W
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`* Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVsMitchell Holman
 +- Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVsMaximus
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Andrew W
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From: space@defense.com (Andrew W)
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>
>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They don't
>>> > want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>
>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>> oil changes.
>>>
>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>> at home?
>>
>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>
>
> My battery is holding up fine.
>

Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of EVs
are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an accident.
EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics. I saw an ad
yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It got rear ended.

>
> How is the same type of battery
>in your phone holding up?
>

Phone batteries can be bought on Ebay for $15. But who compares EVs with
phones?

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Maximus
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Andrew W wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They don't
>>>> > want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>     I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>
>>>>     No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>> oil changes.
>>>>
>>>>     When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>> at home?
>>>
>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>
>>
>>       My battery is holding up fine.
>>
>
> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an accident.
> EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics. I saw an
> ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It got rear
> ended.
>
>

yep. you're lucky if the battery lasts ten years. when it does they're a
disposable item. sales of EV's have dropped dramatically as motorists
wise up to them.

>>
>>       How is the same type of battery
>> in your phone holding up?
>>
>
> Phone batteries can be bought on Ebay for $15.  But who compares EVs
> with phones?
>
>

--
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"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
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> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>
>>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>
>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>> oil changes.
>>>>
>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>> at home?
>>>
>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>
>>
>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>
>
> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
> got rear ended.

I have had mine for 5 years,
no sign of needing a new battery.
In the same time frame my Jeep
needed a new radiator, a new
fuel pump, a new head gasket not
to mention the usual battery
and air filter and oil filters.

>
>
>>
>> How is the same type of battery
>>in your phone holding up?
>>
>
> Phone batteries can be bought on Ebay for $15.

That doesn't anwewr the question.

How often has your phone battery
needed replacing?

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Maximus
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>> at home?
>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>
>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>
>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
>> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
>> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
>> got rear ended.
>
> I have had mine for 5 years,
> no sign of needing a new battery.
> In the same time frame my Jeep
> needed a new radiator, a new
> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
> to mention the usual battery
> and air filter and oil filters.
>

but jeeps are rubbish cars

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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In article <XnsB16FD15947B16629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> > news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>
> >>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
> >>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
> >>>> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>
> >>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>> oil changes.
> >>>>
> >>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>> at home?
> >>>
> >>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>
> >>
> >> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>
> >
> > Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
> > EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
> > accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
> > I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
> > got rear ended.
>
>
> I have had mine for 5 years,
> no sign of needing a new battery.
> In the same time frame my Jeep
> needed a new radiator, a new
> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
> to mention the usual battery
> and air filter and oil filters.

So you allowed your real car to go to shit because you're lazy.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> How is the same type of battery
> >>in your phone holding up?
> >>
> >
> > Phone batteries can be bought on Ebay for $15.
>
>
> That doesn't anwewr the question.
>
> How often has your phone battery
> needed replacing?

You are really comparing a car battery to a phone battery? You're nuts.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>> at home?
>>>>
>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>
>>
>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
>> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
>> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
>> got rear ended.
>
>
> I have had mine for 5 years,
> no sign of needing a new battery.
> In the same time frame my Jeep
> needed a new radiator, a new
> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
> to mention the usual battery
> and air filter and oil filters.

This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major issues.
Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to legal
reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the cost, I
doubt very much any major problems have been found.

Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.

I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during winter?

>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> How is the same type of battery
>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>
>>
>> Phone batteries can be bought on Ebay for $15.
>
>
> That doesn't anwewr the question.
>
> How often has your phone battery
> needed replacing?

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>
>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
>>> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
>>> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
>>> got rear ended.
>>
>>
>>     I have had mine for 5 years,
>> no sign of needing a new battery.
>> In the same time frame my Jeep
>> needed a new radiator, a new
>> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
>> to mention the usual battery
>> and air filter and oil filters.
>
> This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major
> issues. Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to
> legal reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the
> cost, I doubt very much any major problems have been found.
>
> Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
>
> I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during
> winter?

it's well known that they do. they also die in cold weather.

evs stranded along freeways in Canada due to cold weather ..
https://auslink.info/video/evs.mp4

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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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D <nospam@example.net> wrote in
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>
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:663f7342$0$2363145 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>
>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot
>>> of EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other
>>> electronics. I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going
>>> for $100. It got rear ended.
>>
>>
>> I have had mine for 5 years,
>> no sign of needing a new battery.
>> In the same time frame my Jeep
>> needed a new radiator, a new
>> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
>> to mention the usual battery
>> and air filter and oil filters.
>
> This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major
> issues. Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to
> legal reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the
> cost, I doubt very much any major problems have been found.
>
> Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
>
> I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during
> winter?

Yep, in winter the range goes
down by about ten percent. In exchange
in never needs to "jumped" because it
ALWAYS starts. Personally I like that
trade off since I don't go on any
long trips in winter anyway. And
because of the low center of gravity
"hugs the road" better in bad weather.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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In article <XnsB170553A97362629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote in
> news:852263cf-6442-dbb8-0978-4de3454b153a@example.net:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >
> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
> >>>>
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:663f7342$0$2363145 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
> >>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot
> >>> of EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
> >>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other
> >>> electronics. I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going
> >>> for $100. It got rear ended.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have had mine for 5 years,
> >> no sign of needing a new battery.
> >> In the same time frame my Jeep
> >> needed a new radiator, a new
> >> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
> >> to mention the usual battery
> >> and air filter and oil filters.
> >
> > This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major
> > issues. Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to
> > legal reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the
> > cost, I doubt very much any major problems have been found.
> >
> > Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
> >
> > I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during
> > winter?
>
>
> Yep, in winter the range goes
> down by about ten percent. In exchange
> in never needs to "jumped" because it
> ALWAYS starts. Personally I like that
> trade off since I don't go on any
> long trips in winter anyway. And
> because of the low center of gravity
> "hugs the road" better in bad weather.

OK if you don't like driving the back roads.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

> D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
>>>> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>>>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
>>>> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
>>>> got rear ended.
>>>
>>>
>>>     I have had mine for 5 years,
>>> no sign of needing a new battery.
>>> In the same time frame my Jeep
>>> needed a new radiator, a new
>>> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
>>> to mention the usual battery
>>> and air filter and oil filters.
>>
>> This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major issues.
>> Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to legal
>> reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the cost, I
>> doubt very much any major problems have been found.
>>
>> Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
>>
>> I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during winter?
>
> it's well known that they do. they also die in cold weather.
>
> evs stranded along freeways in Canada due to cold weather ..
> https://auslink.info/video/evs.mp4

That's what I thought. Being originally from sweden, I've heard plenty of
stories about cold weather problems with EV:s.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote in
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>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:663f7342$0$2363145 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot
>>>> of EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>>>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other
>>>> electronics. I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going
>>>> for $100. It got rear ended.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had mine for 5 years,
>>> no sign of needing a new battery.
>>> In the same time frame my Jeep
>>> needed a new radiator, a new
>>> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
>>> to mention the usual battery
>>> and air filter and oil filters.
>>
>> This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major
>> issues. Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to
>> legal reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the
>> cost, I doubt very much any major problems have been found.
>>
>> Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
>>
>> I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during
>> winter?
>
>
> Yep, in winter the range goes
> down by about ten percent. In exchange
> in never needs to "jumped" because it
> ALWAYS starts. Personally I like that
> trade off since I don't go on any
> long trips in winter anyway. And
> because of the low center of gravity
> "hugs the road" better in bad weather.

That is strange. I never had a regular car refuse starting in winter. On
the other hand, the most severe I ever experienced was -20 C, so it could
be that it is not cold enough.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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>On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
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>> D wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote:
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>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v1ough$2a2cc$1@dont-email.me:
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>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160...
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>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
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>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
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>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
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>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
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>>>>>
>>>>> Just wait till you get the bill for replacing the batteries. A lot of
>>>>> EVs are being junked at that point. Same goes if they're in an
>>>>> accident. EVs will be disposable items like TVs and other electronics.
>>>>> I saw an ad yesterday for an accident damaged EV going for $100. It
>>>>> got rear ended.
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>>>> I have had mine for 5 years,
>>>> no sign of needing a new battery.
>>>> In the same time frame my Jeep
>>>> needed a new radiator, a new
>>>> fuel pump, a new head gasket not
>>>> to mention the usual battery
>>>> and air filter and oil filters.
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>>> This is anecdotal. I've had my car for 9 years and had no major issues.
>>> Granted, I do send it off the the mechanic once a year due to legal
>>> reasons, and they might change oil/filters etc. but based on the cost, I
>>> doubt very much any major problems have been found.
>>>
>>> Also note that where I live, you have to do the same with electric.
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>>> I'm also curious if the range of your electric is decreased during
>>> winter?
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>> it's well known that they do. they also die in cold weather.
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>> evs stranded along freeways in Canada due to cold weather ..
>> https://auslink.info/video/evs.mp4
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>That's what I thought. Being originally from sweden, I've heard plenty of
>stories about cold weather problems with EV:s.
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EVs have heaters on board! The heaters use the battery! So no problem!

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