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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
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> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>> >> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>> >> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit.
>> >>
>> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>> >>
>> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>> >> oil changes.
>> >>
>> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
>> >> at home?
>> >
>> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>
>>
>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>
>> How is the same type of battery
>> in your phone holding up?
>
> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>

Gassing up your car = $80 per week.

Charging up my car = free

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Skeeter
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 19:44 UTC
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In article <XnsB16F867D3CBD3629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> >> > says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
> >> >> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bullshit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >> >>
> >> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >> >> oil changes.
> >> >>
> >> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >> >> at home?
> >> >
> >> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>
> >>
> >> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>
> >> How is the same type of battery
> >> in your phone holding up?
> >
> > Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
> > then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >
>
> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>
> Charging up my car = free

Who the hell is putting $80 a week in their vehicle?

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Andrew W
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB16F867D3CBD3629555@185.151.15.190...
>
>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> >> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>> >> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Bullshit.
>>> >>
>>> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>> >>
>>> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>> >> oil changes.
>>> >>
>>> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>> >> at home?
>>> >
>>> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>
>>> How is the same type of battery
>>> in your phone holding up?
>>
>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>
>
> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>
> Charging up my car = free
>

It can't always be free.

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Maximus
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 23:27 UTC
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>> at home?
>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>
>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>
>>> How is the same type of battery
>>> in your phone holding up?
>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>
> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>
> Charging up my car = free

it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars

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"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v1ouk8$2a38f$1@dont-
email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB16F867D3CBD3629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
$2363145
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com
>>>> > says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>> >> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>> >> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bullshit.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>> >> oil changes.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>> >> at home?
>>>> >
>>>> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>
>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>
>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>
>>
>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>
>> Charging up my car = free
>>
>
> It can't always be free.
>
>

A full recharge uses as much
electricity as running a load of
laundry.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
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> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
$2363145
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>> at home?
>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>
>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>
>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>
>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>
>> Charging up my car = free
>
> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>
>
>

"Fuel - the electricity required to
drive 15,000 miles per year in a
compact electric vehicle costs an
average of $546, while the amount
of gas required to drive the same
distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
Maintenance/Repair/Tires - electric
vehicles do not require as much
maintenance as gas-powered ones since
they don't need oil changes or air-
filter replacements. If maintained
according to the automakers'
recommendations, electric vehicles
cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
a total of $949/annually."
https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Maximus
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
> $2363145
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>
>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>
>>> Charging up my car = free
>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> compact electric vehicle costs an
> average of $546, while the amount
> of gas required to drive the same
> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>
> Maintenance/Repair/Tires

tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more frequently
due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and often
not even possible.

> - electric
> vehicles do not require as much
> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
> they don't need oil changes or air-
> filter replacements. If maintained
> according to the automakers'
> recommendations, electric vehicles
> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
> a total of $949/annually."
> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev

did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation and
resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
ownership overall.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>> at home?
>>>>
>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>
>>> How is the same type of battery
>>> in your phone holding up?
>>
>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>
>
> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>
> Charging up my car = free
>
>
>
>
>
ass grass or gas, nobody rides for free

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>> at home?
>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>
>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>
>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>
>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>
>> Charging up my car = free
>
> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies show
> EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars

This is true! I did the math when I was thinking about buying a car a few
years ago and electric didn't even come close.

A technology I can accept is hybrid-cars. I think those are the best of
two world as long as the price of hybrid doesn't make it unfeasible, but I
think the prices have come down quite a bit.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0$2363145
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>>         My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>         How is the same type of battery
>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>
>>>        Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>
>>>        Charging up my car = free
>>
>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>> studies show EV's are less economical to own and run than ICE cars
>
> This is true! I did the math when I was thinking about buying a car a
> few years ago and electric didn't even come close.
>
> A technology I can accept is hybrid-cars. I think those are the best
> of two world as long as the price of hybrid doesn't make it
> unfeasible, but I think the prices have come down quite a bit.

yep. I think that's the way car makers will go. it's the best option for
motorists.

--
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"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Sun, 12 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>> $2363145
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>
>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>
>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent studies
>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>> average of $546, while the amount
>> of gas required to drive the same
>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>
> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more frequently due
> to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and often not even
> possible.
>
>> - electric
>> vehicles do not require as much
>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>> filter replacements. If maintained
>> according to the automakers'
>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>> a total of $949/annually."
>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>
> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation and
> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of ownership
> overall.

I just ran the calculations again on a Volvo XC40 which is available as EV
with a 70 kwh battery and a petrol version with a 54 liter tank. Range of
EV is 460 km, range of petrol is 800 km. These are both marketing figures.

Then to make a fair comparison, I removed tax which is 50% for petrol and
25% for energy.

The price/km was: EV: 0.27 SEK and Petrol: 0.625 SEK.

So a much smaller difference than I would have thought. Note that this car
and these figures are not the latest and greatest model, just the figures
that were the easiest for me to obtain, so I'm 100% sure you can get some
interesting results comparing the latest and greatest _and_ adding a
hybrid into the mix. Also note that this does _not_ take all the other
good arguments against EV into account.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>> $2363145
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>
>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>
>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
studies
>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>> average of $546, while the amount
>> of gas required to drive the same
>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>
>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>
> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
frequently
> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
often
> not even possible.

Cost of what repair?

My EV has maybe a dozen or
so moving parts at best. After
five years of driving the only
thing I replaced are tires and
a windshield.

>
>> - electric
>> vehicles do not require as much
>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>> filter replacements. If maintained
>> according to the automakers'
>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>> a total of $949/annually."
>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>
> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
and
> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
> ownership overall.

Cheapest car I have ever owned.
No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
that wear out, no antifreeze, no
stolen catalytic converter. I'll
never go back to gas guzzlers.

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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>> $2363145
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>> studies
>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>
>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>> frequently
>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>> often
>> not even possible.
>
> Cost of what repair?

accident repair

>
> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> so moving parts at best. After
> five years of driving the only
> thing I replaced are tires and
> a windshield.
>
>
>
>>> - electric
>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>> according to the automakers'
>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>> and
>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>> ownership overall.
>
> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Organization: ViperNews - www.vipernews.com
Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 14:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:labujtFm6u4U2
@mid.individual.net:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
They
>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
tank
>>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>>> studies
>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>
>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>> frequently
>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>> often
>>> not even possible.
>>
>> Cost of what repair?
>
> accident repair

That is true. However thanks to
the car being surrounded by cameras
there is no dispute over liability,
the other driver's insurance pays
for it. Also comes in handy when
cops falsely accuse you of running
stop lights and stop signs.

>
>>
>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>> so moving parts at best. After
>> five years of driving the only
>> thing I replaced are tires and
>> a windshield.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> - electric
>>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>>> according to the automakers'
>>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>>> and
>>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>>> ownership overall.
>>
>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Skeeter
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
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In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> >> @mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
> >> $2363145
> >>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
> >>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How is the same type of battery
> >>>>>> in your phone holding up?
> >>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
> >>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
> >>>>
> >>>> Charging up my car = free
> >>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
> studies
> >>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> >> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> >> compact electric vehicle costs an
> >> average of $546, while the amount
> >> of gas required to drive the same
> >> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
> >>
> >> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
> >
> > tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
> frequently
> > due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
> often
> > not even possible.
>
>
> Cost of what repair?
>
> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> so moving parts at best. After
> five years of driving the only
> thing I replaced are tires and
> a windshield.
>
>
>
> >
> >> - electric
> >> vehicles do not require as much
> >> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
> >> they don't need oil changes or air-
> >> filter replacements. If maintained
> >> according to the automakers'
> >> recommendations, electric vehicles
> >> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
> >> a total of $949/annually."
> >> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
> >
> > did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
> and
> > resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
> > ownership overall.
>
>
> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> never go back to gas guzzlers.

and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Skeeter wrote:
> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>> studies
>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>
>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>
>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>> frequently
>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>> often
>>> not even possible.
>>
>>
>> Cost of what repair?
>>
>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>> so moving parts at best. After
>> five years of driving the only
>> thing I replaced are tires and
>> a windshield.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - electric
>>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>>> according to the automakers'
>>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>>>
>>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>> and
>>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>>> ownership overall.
>>
>>
>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>
> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>
>
spay heeeeeeeem

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Skeeter
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 15:55 UTC
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In article <dO6cnXaXQvCcRd37nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
@gmail.com says...
>
> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
> >> @mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
> >>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
> >>>> $2363145
> >>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >> noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
> >>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
> >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
> >>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
> >>>>>>>>>> at home?
> >>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
> >>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
> >>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
> >>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
> >>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Charging up my car = free
> >>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
> >> studies
> >>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
> >>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
> >>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
> >>>> average of $546, while the amount
> >>>> of gas required to drive the same
> >>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
> >>>
> >>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
> >> frequently
> >>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
> >> often
> >>> not even possible.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cost of what repair?
> >>
> >> My EV has maybe a dozen or
> >> so moving parts at best. After
> >> five years of driving the only
> >> thing I replaced are tires and
> >> a windshield.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> - electric
> >>>> vehicles do not require as much
> >>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
> >>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
> >>>> filter replacements. If maintained
> >>>> according to the automakers'
> >>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
> >>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
> >>>> a total of $949/annually."
> >>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
> >>>
> >>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
> >> and
> >>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
> >>> ownership overall.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> >> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> >> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> >> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> >> never go back to gas guzzlers.
> >
> > and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
> >
> our last toyota lasted 17 years ,
> i didn't even put water in it

toyotas used to be pretty good. i had a small pick up and it ran forever

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 16:20 UTC
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Skeeter wrote:
> In article <dO6cnXaXQvCcRd37nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
> @gmail.com says...
>>
>> Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>>>>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also, recent
>>>> studies
>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>
>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>> frequently
>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater, and
>>>> often
>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>
>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>> a windshield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> - electric
>>>>>> vehicles do not require as much
>>>>>> maintenance as gas-powered ones since
>>>>>> they don't need oil changes or air-
>>>>>> filter replacements. If maintained
>>>>>> according to the automakers'
>>>>>> recommendations, electric vehicles
>>>>>> cost $330 less than a gas-powered car,
>>>>>> a total of $949/annually."
>>>>>> https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/true-cost-of-ev
>>>>>
>>>>> did they factor in purchase price, battery replacement, depreciation
>>>> and
>>>>> resale value? it's not just about running cost, but the cost of
>>>>> ownership overall.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>>
>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>>
>> our last toyota lasted 17 years ,
>> i didn't even put water in it
>
> toyotas used to be pretty good. i had a small pick up and it ran forever
>
she keeps the milage pretty low ,
towns not that far and we seldom go more that 50 miles ,
and that's only maybe twice a year

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
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> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>
> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.

And we laugh at you shivering
at the gas pump and complaining
about gas prices and gee too bad
about your catalytic converter
getting stolen.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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In article <XnsB17081011A741629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> > says...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
> >> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
> >> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
> >> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
> >> never go back to gas guzzlers.
> >
> > and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>
>
>
> And we laugh at you shivering
> at the gas pump and complaining
> about gas prices and gee too bad
> about your catalytic converter
> getting stolen.

When has any of that happened? You're the archive boy.

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
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>>>>> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
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>>>>> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day. They
>>>>> >> > don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Bullshit.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>> >> oil changes.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>> >> at home?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>
>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel tank
>>>> then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>
>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>
>>
>> It can't always be free.
>>
>>
>
> A full recharge uses as much
>electricity as running a load of
>laundry.
>

There are those who couldn't afford the electricity bill before but if EVs
take over they definitely won't.
And power companies will be more overloaded and putting out more carbon and
pollution.

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Mitchell Holman
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> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>>
>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v1ouk8$2a38f$1@dont-
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>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB16F867D3CBD3629555@185.151.15.190...
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>>>>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:663f7342$0
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>>>>>> > In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> > says...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>> >> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Most people don't like recharging their phones every day.
>>>>>> >> > They don't want to be recharging their cars as well.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Bullshit.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>> >> oil changes.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>> >> at home?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a fuel
>>>>> tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>
>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>
>>>
>>> It can't always be free.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A full recharge uses as much
>>electricity as running a load of
>>laundry.
>>
>
> There are those who couldn't afford the electricity bill before but if
> EVs take over they definitely won't.

Utter bullshit. When is the last
time you filled up your gas tank for
six bucks?

"If electricity costs �10.7 per kilowatt-hour,
charging an EV with a 200-mile range (assuming
a fully depleted 54 kWh battery) will cost
about $6 to reach a full charge."
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html

> And power companies will be more overloaded and putting out more
> carbon and pollution.

Utter bullshit. Power companies
are ENCOURAGING the switch to EV's.

Houston electric providers are
sweetening their incentives to
EV owners as cars rise in popularity
Feb 15, 2023
https://tinyurl.com/s5j843hx

State Policies Promoting Hybrid and Electric Vehicles
August 23, 2023
https://tinyurl.com/mrjptyjn

Electric Vehicles Could Rescue the US Power Grid
SEP 19, 2022
https://tinyurl.com/3j8y9ywd

Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>
>
> And we laugh at you shivering
> at the gas pump and complaining
> about gas prices and gee too bad
> about your catalytic converter
> getting stolen.
>

you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up the
car :)

https://auslink.info/video/teslas.mp4

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"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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On Mon, 13 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6640d6e6$0$3711190$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheapest car I have ever owned.
>>>> No oil changes, no tuneups, no belts
>>>> that wear out, no antifreeze, no
>>>> stolen catalytic converter. I'll
>>>> never go back to gas guzzlers.
>>> and we will laugh when we spay mud on you while we are 4 wheeling.
>>
>>
>> And we laugh at you shivering
>> at the gas pump and complaining
>> about gas prices and gee too bad
>> about your catalytic converter
>> getting stolen.
>>
>
> you have to stand a lot longer shivering than we do.. standing in queue
> waiting for a charger to be free, and then half an hour to charge up the car
> :)
>
> https://auslink.info/video/teslas.mp4

I assume he has a charger in his home garage, and since neither you nor I
have a gasoline pump in our garage, he is happy that we stand outside for
the 3 minutes or so it takes to fill up the car.

This is just my speculation of interpretation of the argument.

Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner.

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Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Skeeter
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Andrew W
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Andrew W
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	D
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
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Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Mitchell Holman
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Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Malte Runz
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Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
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Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs	Maximus
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