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* No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, becauseKlaus Scadenfreude
+- Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, becRudy Cánoza
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 `- Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, becGovernor Swill

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Subject: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, because the /quid pro quo/ was not a wrongful action
From: Klaus Scadenfreude
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Subject: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to
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scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, keeps lying that Joe Biden "confessed" to
offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine. A confession, as scooter is using it, is
an admission of culpability for a wrongful action. Biden committed no wrongful
action in offering a /quid pro quo/ — fire the corrupt and incompetent
prosecutor, or you don't get the loan guarantees — to the government of Ukraine.
Biden was carrying out the *official* position of the U.S. government: the U.S.
government, as well as the governments of the U.K., France, Germany plus the
IMF, wanted Shokin fired because he wasn't investigating and prosecuting
corruption, which we — the west — wanted Ukraine to do. Because what Biden did
was not wrongful or unethical, he wasn't "confessing" to anything.

scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, keeps making a typically stupid false
comparison based on a typically stupid wrong belief. scooter shrieks, so to
speak, "Trump offered a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine and he was condemned and
impeached for it. Biden offered one and he suffered no consequence for it.
*Double standard*!!!" scooter's wrong, and typically stupid, belief is that a
/quid pro quo/ is *always* unethical and illegal. scooter is full of shit for
believing that.

A /quid pro quo/ — "something for something" — may or may not be ethical and
legal. It depends on what the person offering it wants the other party to do,
and also on if the person making the offer has authority to do so. A father
saying to his teenage son "I'll give you $20 if you mow the front lawn and sweep
the driveway" is offering an ethical and legal /quid pro quo/ to his son.
scooter saying to a Republiscum/QAnon terrorist "I'll give you $1,000 if you
firebomb the local Democratic Party headquarters" is offering an *illegal* and
*unethical* /quid pro quo/. scooter dangling a promotion and salary increase to
a subordinate employee in exchange for sex is *illegal* and *unethical*.

Biden's /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine was legal and ethical. Trump's offer was not.
Trump was abusing his office. He threatened to hold up military aid, something
he had no authority to do, not for the benefit of the U.S., but for his own
corrupt personal political benefit: providing him with dirt to use against a
political opponent.

As always, scooter is deluding himself in thinking that he masterfully plays a
Usenet "gotcha" game. scooter does not have a "gotcha" at all, because his
beliefs about /quid pro quo/ are fucked up wrong and idiotic, and he is positing
a false equivalency between what Biden did and what Trump did. They are not
equivalent at all.

And now, it is almost guaranteed that scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, will
circle back and try the same demolished "gotcha" attempt again. He does it all
the time. He already did it earlier today:

me to scooter, the drunken Virginia camper:
"What you present as a "fact" — that Biden 'confessed' to anything — is not a
fact, scooter — it's a lie."

scooter, the drunken Virginia camper:
"Oh, so you are claiming that Biden was LYING?"

At that point, I had *already* stipulated that Biden said he got Shokin fired,
and that Biden was telling the truth. What I was instructing scooter on was that
Biden was not "confessing" anything, because he hadn't done anything unethical
or illegal. But scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, thought he could re-try
his "gotcha" and again falsely accuse me of suggesting that Biden was lying.
This is why scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, is such a stupid fucking dope
for imagining himself to play stupid Usenet games masterfully. He plays them
clumsily and oafishly. He *sucks* at it. His attempted "gotchas" never work.
scooter is like the dog in the famous "Far Side" cartoon who is trying to trap
the cat in the dryer:

https://preview.redd.it/rthq3rvcke921.jpg?auto=webp&s=84ee429c499751ed6014f45e31abfa682b788f7c

So scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, is almost certainly going to circle
back to his fuckwitted belief that /quid pro quo/ is always unethical, as if I
haven't fully explained above why that belief is wrong and fuckwitted.

Subject: Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, because the /quid pro quo/ was not a wrongful action
From: Rudy Cánoza
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[Default] a cowardly incel dwarf typed:

> me to Scout, my superior in every imaginable way:
> "What you present as a "fact" — that Biden 'confessed' to anything — is not a
> fact, Scout — it's a lie."

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Subject: Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, because the /quid pro quo/ was not a wrongful action
From: moe, larry, curly
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Subject: Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, because the /quid pro quo/ was not a wrongful action
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On 29 Oct 2024, Klaus Scadenfreude <junk@nogood.com> posted some
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> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper, keeps lying that Joe Biden
> "confessed" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine.

Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion aid to Ukraine unless the
Ukrainian prosecutor actively investigating Hunter Biden was fired.

This is quid pro quo.

Subject: Re: No, Joe Biden did not "confess" to offering a /quid pro quo/ to Ukraine, because the /quid pro quo/ was not a wrongful action
From: Governor Swill
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:59:10 -0000 (UTC), "moe, larry, curly" <joe@aho.com>
wrote:

>Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion aid to Ukraine unless the
>Ukrainian prosecutor actively investigating Hunter Biden was fired.
>
>This is quid pro quo.

No it's not. It's a lie. That prosecutor was not investigating Hunter.

Quite the opposite, in fact. He was removed at the behest of the EU and US. The
EU was investing heavily in the Ukrainian economy and had discovered that much
of their investment was being eaten up by corruption. The prosecutor turned a
blind eye to it. As a result, Obama assigned Biden to carry the message that
unless the prosecutor was removed, Ukraine would not get an expected $1B in US
aid *or* any further aid and investment from the EU.

At the time this happened, Hunter was not in Ukraine or part of Burisma. That
all happened later.

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