In article <XnsB2158607681D5629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me:
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> > See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
> > of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
> > have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
> > the judge who can review any new evidence or proof of errors made
> > during trial that could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>
>
> It is precisely those "endless rounds
> of appeals" that uncovered over 100 innocent
> men sitting on death rows across the country.
>
> Would you have preferred them to be executed?
>
> Funny that the most active death penalty
> state in the country - Texas - also leads the
> country in DNA exonerations of inmates on death
> row.
>
> https://www.johntfloyd.com/texas-harris-country-lead-in-exonerations-and-
> wrongful-convictions/

and away he spins from the subject.

In article <XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad>, bks@panix.com says...
>
> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
> >
> >
> > Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>
> >> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>>
> >>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>
> >>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> >>> > says...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>
> >>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>
> Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!
>
> >>> >> >> [...]
> >>> >>     All death sentences are more expensive
> >>> >> than incarceration costs.
> >>>
> >>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we could
> >>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and over,
> >>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why the
> >>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural error was
> >>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably tainted,
> >>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
> >>>
> >>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
> >>> execution proceeds on track.
> >>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't make
> >>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
> >>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
> >>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space and
> >>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
> >>>
> >>> >> But since you want
> >>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
> >>> >> them, no?
> >>>
> >>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
> >>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file and
> >>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
> >>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
> >>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be reexamined in
> >>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
> >>> error.
> >>>
> >>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried out
> >>> immediately.
> >>>
> >>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round of
> >>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have the
> >>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge who can
> >>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
> >>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
> >>>
> >>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the execution
> >>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Bullshit.
> >>>
> >>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already being
> >>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
> >>>
> >>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too expensive.. I
> >>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
> >>>
> >>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
> >> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
> >
> > Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>
> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live in
> North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate North Korea.

We are getting like N. Korea.

In article <XnsB2158BDDBF1D629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:vfe0vn$2ntcu$2@dont-email.me:
>
> >
> >
> > "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:671a5878$7$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
> >>>
> >>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:67195f2d$11$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>,
> >>> > noemail@aol.com says...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> >>> >> news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "Klaus Schadenfreude"
> >>> >> > <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> > news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
> >>> >> > .cocksu cking.dwarf.com...
> >>> >> >> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con>
> >>> >> >> typed:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
> >>> >> >>>Shit-4-Braincell back
> >>> >> >>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted
> >>> >> >>>as "Lamey," but
> >>> >> >>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a
> >>> >> >>>fucking loser.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza
> >>> >> >>>> <js@phendrie.con> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>> >> >>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
> >>> >> >>>>>> prisons there are,
> >>> >> >>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and
> >>> >> >>>>>> longer the sentences.
> >>> >> >>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.
> >>> >> >>>>>> The more
> >>> >> >>>>>> prisons and
> >>> >> >>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> More support:
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
> >>> >> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-crimina
> >>> >> >>>>> l-justi
> >>> >> >>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Lie site not read
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another
> >>> >> >>>>> gimmick to
> >>> >> >>>>> fill up the
> >>> >> >>>>> prisons.
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply
> >>> >> >>>wrong.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt
> >>> >> >> Credit Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took
> >>> >> >> money and blank
> >>> >> >> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt
> >>> >> >> Credit
> >>> >> >> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
> >>> >> >> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen
> >>> >> >> from the Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
> >>> >> >> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on
> >>> >> >> unrelated controlled substances and stolen property charges.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt
> >>> >> >> Flaps."
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole,
> >>> >> > they clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat.
> >>> >> > Jail servers
> >>> >> > no purpose at that point since they will never be
> >>> >> > rehabilitated. I suggest that once the appeals and such have
> >>> >> > run their course they be executed. No, not by some official and
> >>> >> > expensive process, but rather some sedatives and a time delay
> >>> >> > fast acting poison. They have dinner,
> >>> >> > go to sleep and simply never wake up.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth
> >>> >> > and otherwise support this burden on society.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All death sentences are more expensive
> >>> >> than incarceration costs.
> >>>
> >>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so,
> >>> we could
> >>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over
> >>> and over,
> >>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for
> >>> why the
> >>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
> >>> error was
> >>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably
> >>> tainted, corrupted or otherwise improper.
> >>>
> >>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
> >>> execution proceeds on track.
> >>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you
> >>> can't make
> >>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
> >>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of
> >>> it. There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison
> >>> space and reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
> >>>
> >>> >> But since you want
> >>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
> >>> >> them, no?
> >>>
> >>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
> >>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can
> >>> file and
> >>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a
> >>> simply hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge
> >>> who decides whether any of the facts established at trial would need
> >>> to be reexamined in
> >>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or
> >>> judicial error.
> >>>
> >>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be
> >>> carried out
> >>> immediately.
> >>>
> >>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless
> >>> round of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it
> >>> is, you have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's
> >>> office and the judge who can
> >>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that
> >>> could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
> >>>
> >>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the
> >>> execution
> >>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Bullshit.
> >>>
> >>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is
> >>> already being
> >>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
> >>>
> >>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too
> >>> expensive.. I
> >>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
> >>>
> >>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
> >> tape and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
> >
> > Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the
> > price..
> >
> > I mean how hard would it be to have a judge sit there and ask?
> >
> > J: Have you run their fingerprints?
> > P: Yes, your honor.
> > J: Are they in the system as a legal immigrant, resident alien, or on
> > a current visa?
> > P: No, your honor.
> > J: Are they a refugee from Mexico?
> > P: No, your honor.
> > J: Does the defendant have anything to say that would overturn these
> > facts, or show they are actually entitled to asylum?
> > D: Yada, Yada, Yada.
> > J: Can you prove those allegation at this time?
> > D: No, your honor
> > J: Does the defendant have anything to add?
> > D: No, your honor
> > J: it is the ruling of this court that they be immediately deported.
> >
>
> A civics lesson:
>
> State judges do not have
> the power to deport anyone.

[Default] a frightened incel dwarf typed:

>On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, Scout once again verbally slit Rudy's throat when he typed:

>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>
>That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea.

I wonder if I set up shop in North Korea, if their semen tastes like
kimchi?

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On 10/24/2024 12:15 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell,
convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another
content-free batch of lies:

> In article <XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad>, bks@panix.com says...
>>
>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>>
>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>>
>>>>>>>>> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>>
>> Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!
>>
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>      All death sentences are more expensive
>>>>>>> than incarceration costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we could
>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and over,
>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why the
>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural error was
>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably tainted,
>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't make
>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space and
>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But since you want
>>>>>>> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>>>>> them, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file and
>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be reexamined in
>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
>>>>> error.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried out
>>>>> immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round of
>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have the
>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge who can
>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the execution
>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already being
>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too expensive.. I
>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>>
>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>>
>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live in
>> North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate North Korea.
>
> We are getting like N. Korea.

We aren't, but if Trump wins, we will.

--
Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell,
convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

On 2024-10-24, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsB2158607681D5629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
>> > of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
>> > have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
>> > the judge who can review any new evidence or proof of errors made
>> > during trial that could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>
>>
>> It is precisely those "endless rounds
>> of appeals" that uncovered over 100 innocent
>> men sitting on death rows across the country.
>>
>> Would you have preferred them to be executed?
>>
>> Funny that the most active death penalty
>> state in the country - Texas - also leads the
>> country in DNA exonerations of inmates on death
>> row.
>>
>> https://www.johntfloyd.com/texas-harris-country-lead-in-exonerations-and-
>> wrongful-convictions/
>
> and away he spins from the subject.

This is simple.
The first time you get convicted of rape you are imprisoned and the rehabilitaion
process begins.

the second time you get convicted of rape your testicles are removed and you are forced
to eat them.

Same thing for theft.
You get one chance.
The next time your hands are cut off.

Problem solved.

--
pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190...
>
>"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>> cking.dwarf.com...
>>> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>>
>>>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>>Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>>"Lamey," but
>>>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking
>>>>loser.
>>>>
>>>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>>>>>> prisons there are,
>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justi
>>>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>
>>> Lie site not read
>>>
>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to
>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>
>>> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt Credit
>>> Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took money and blank
>>> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt Credit
>>> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen from the
>>> Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on unrelated
>>> controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>>
>>> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt Flaps."
>>
>> I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole, they
>> clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat. Jail servers
>> no purpose at that point since they will never be rehabilitated. I
>> suggest that once the appeals and such have run their course they be
>> executed. No, not by some official and expensive process, but rather
>> some sedatives and a time delay fast acting poison. They have dinner,
>> go to sleep and simply never wake up.
>>
>> At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth and
>> otherwise support this burden on society.
>>
>>
>
> All death sentences are more expensive
>than incarceration costs. But since you want
>these executions you don't mind paying for
>them, no?
>

Who's creating the paradigm of criminals in the first place?

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

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On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
> says...
>>
>> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell back
>> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as "Lamey," but
>> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
>>
>> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> This is absolutely true.  Research shows that the more new prisons there are,
>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer the sentences.
>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.  The more prisons and
>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>
>>>> More support:
>>>>
>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>
>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to fill up the
>>>> prisons.
>>>
>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>
>>
>> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>
> Then dont do it.

A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so. Point
is that people can and do change while in prison. Does it make sense to
imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K some 5 years ago? 10?
50? A year ago?

Dawn

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:vfeni8$2rig0$1@dont-
email.me:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>>"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>>
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>>> cking.dwarf.com...
>>>> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>>>
>>>>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>>>Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>>>"Lamey," but
>>>>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking
>>>>>loser.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>>>>>>> prisons there are,
>>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-
justi
>>>>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>
>>>> Lie site not read
>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick
to
>>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt Credit
>>>> Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took money and blank
>>>> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt
Credit
>>>> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>>> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen from the
>>>> Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>>> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on unrelated
>>>> controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>>>
>>>> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt Flaps."
>>>
>>> I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole, they
>>> clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat. Jail servers
>>> no purpose at that point since they will never be rehabilitated. I
>>> suggest that once the appeals and such have run their course they be
>>> executed. No, not by some official and expensive process, but rather
>>> some sedatives and a time delay fast acting poison. They have dinner,
>>> go to sleep and simply never wake up.
>>>
>>> At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth and
>>> otherwise support this burden on society.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> All death sentences are more expensive
>>than incarceration costs. But since you want
>>these executions you don't mind paying for
>>them, no?
>>
>
> Who's creating the paradigm of criminals in the first place?
>
>

What is a "paradigm of criminals"?

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>
>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:vfeni8$2rig0$1@dont-
>email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>>"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>>
>news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>>> cking.dwarf.com...
>>>>> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>>>>Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>>>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>>>>"Lamey," but
>>>>>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking
>>>>>>loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>>>>>>>> prisons there are,
>>>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-
>justi
>>>>>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>
>>>>> Lie site not read
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick
>to
>>>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt Credit
>>>>> Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took money and blank
>>>>> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt
>Credit
>>>>> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>>>> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen from the
>>>>> Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>>>> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on unrelated
>>>>> controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt Flaps."
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole, they
>>>> clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat. Jail servers
>>>> no purpose at that point since they will never be rehabilitated. I
>>>> suggest that once the appeals and such have run their course they be
>>>> executed. No, not by some official and expensive process, but rather
>>>> some sedatives and a time delay fast acting poison. They have dinner,
>>>> go to sleep and simply never wake up.
>>>>
>>>> At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth and
>>>> otherwise support this burden on society.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> All death sentences are more expensive
>>>than incarceration costs. But since you want
>>>these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>them, no?
>>>
>>
>> Who's creating the paradigm of criminals in the first place?
>>
>>
>
>
> What is a "paradigm of criminals"?
>

The state of the current world especially America. Corruption.

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

On 10/24/2024 6:29 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
>> says...
>>>
>>> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>> Shit-4-Braincell back
>>> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>> "Lamey," but
>>> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> This is absolutely true.  Research shows that the more new prisons
>>>>>> there are,
>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.  The more
>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>
>>>>> More support:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to
>>>>> fill up the
>>>>> prisons.
>>>>
>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>
>> Then dont do it.
>
> A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so.  Point
> is that people can and do change while in prison.  Does it make sense to
> imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K some 5 years ago?  10?
> 50?  A year ago?

If that's your position on robbery, why not include rape? Rapists
change, assuming they ever really were rapists.

In article <vfes9n$2s3np$4@dont-email.me>, Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
says...
>
> On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
> > says...
> >>
> >> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell back
> >> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as "Lamey," but
> >> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
> >>
> >> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>> This is absolutely true.  Research shows that the more new prisons there are,
> >>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer the sentences.
> >>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.  The more prisons and
> >>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
> >>>>
> >>>> More support:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to fill up the
> >>>> prisons.
> >>>
> >>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
> >
> > Then dont do it.
>
> A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so. Point
> is that people can and do change while in prison. Does it make sense to
> imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K some 5 years ago? 10?
> 50? A year ago?
>
> Dawn

Don't commit crimes. It's that simple.

On 2024-10-25, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <vfes9n$2s3np$4@dont-email.me>, Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> > In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell back
>> >> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as "Lamey," but
>> >> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> >>>>> This is absolutely true.  Research shows that the more new prisons there are,
>> >>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer the sentences.
>> >>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.  The more prisons and
>> >>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> More support:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to fill up the
>> >>>> prisons.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>> >
>> > Then dont do it.
>>
>> A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so. Point
>> is that people can and do change while in prison. Does it make sense to
>> imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K some 5 years ago? 10?
>> 50? A year ago?
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Don't commit crimes. It's that simple.

Yep.
That's how Giuliani cleaned up NYC. Actually Dinkins deserves some credit
as well.
Very tough on crime.
Various squads, like gang focused for example, patrolling.
Stop and frisk.
Harsh sentences on repeat offenders.
etc.

Word spread quickly among the underworld and after some tested the system
and found out that Giuliani wasn't kidding around crime rate plummeted in
NYC as the perps relocated to other, more soft on crime, places to ply their
trade.

And Bloomberg left things alone so the city remained safe and a wonderful
place to visit and live.

Enter Marxist mayor DeBlasio and his crooked wife.
He did away with the Guiliani policies and implemented cashless bail and
revolving door justice and we now have a city that is quickly becoming
unlivable.

Do the crime.
Do the time.
And that time will be hard time.
It's all the perps understand.

--
pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>
>>
>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester
>> and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of
>> lies:
>
>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free
>>>> batch of lies:
>
>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>> > says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
>>>> >> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi
>>>> >> > fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>
>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional,
>>>> >> >> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun
>>>> >> >> SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>
> Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
> HA*!
>
>>>> >> >> [...]
>>>> >> All death sentences are more expensive
>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>>>>
>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we
>>>> could
>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and
>>>> over,
>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why
>>>> the
>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
>>>> error was
>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably
>>>> tainted,
>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't
>>>> make
>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space
>>>> and
>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>>
>>>> >> But since you want
>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>> >> them, no?
>>>>
>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file
>>>> and
>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be
>>>> reexamined in
>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
>>>> error.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried
>>>> out
>>>> immediately.
>>>>
>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
>>>> of
>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have
>>>> the
>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge
>>>> who can
>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>>
>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the
>>>> execution
>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already
>>>> being
>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>>
>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too
>>>> expensive.. I
>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>>
>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>
>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>
> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live
> in North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate
> North Korea.

The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the people IN..
ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.

Of course, since significant differences are beyond Rudy's comprehension,
but then virtually everything is.

Meanwhile, I will simply acknowledge that Rudy could only offer this lame
rebuttal to my logic.

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:671a9c57$0$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <XnsB21583875F590629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:671a5878$7$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
>> > tape and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>
>>
>> By "red tape" you mean the Constitution.
>
> Oh please.

I'm curious where the Constitution says invaders can't be removed.

>> "The Due Process Clause applies to all persons within the
>> United States, including aliens, whether their presence is
>> lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."
>> The US Supreme Court, Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)
>> <http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/99-7791.html>

Great..
Says, nothing about us not removing them and it should take about 5 minutes
to establish the person is not a citizen, legal resident or here on a visa..
and which point deportation can proceed particularly if they were just
caught illegally entering.

Of course, if we make it very hard to enter.. then no due process is needed.

Built the wall.

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:671a9c75$2$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <XnsB2158607681D5629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
>> > of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
>> > have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
>> > the judge who can review any new evidence or proof of errors made
>> > during trial that could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>
>>
>> It is precisely those "endless rounds
>> of appeals" that uncovered over 100 innocent
>> men sitting on death rows across the country.

Where they innocent? The only link produced does not establish that.

>> Would you have preferred them to be executed?
>>
>> Funny that the most active death penalty
>> state in the country - Texas - also leads the
>> country in DNA exonerations of inmates on death
>> row.
>>
>> https://www.johntfloyd.com/texas-harris-country-lead-in-exonerations-and-
>> wrongful-convictions/

Cite doesn't support the claim made, nor does this apply only to those on
dead row.

As usual Rudy responds with unsupported assertions along with smoke and
mirrors.. none of which collaborate his claims.

"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in message
news:vfeni8$2rig0$1@dont-email.me...
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190...
>>
>>"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>> cking.dwarf.com...
>>>> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>>>
>>>>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>>>Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>>>"Lamey," but
>>>>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking
>>>>>loser.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>>>>>>> prisons there are,
>>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justi
>>>>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>
>>>> Lie site not read
>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to
>>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt Credit
>>>> Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took money and blank
>>>> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt Credit
>>>> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>>> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen from the
>>>> Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>>> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on unrelated
>>>> controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>>>
>>>> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt Flaps."
>>>
>>> I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole, they
>>> clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat. Jail servers
>>> no purpose at that point since they will never be rehabilitated. I
>>> suggest that once the appeals and such have run their course they be
>>> executed. No, not by some official and expensive process, but rather
>>> some sedatives and a time delay fast acting poison. They have dinner,
>>> go to sleep and simply never wake up.
>>>
>>> At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth and
>>> otherwise support this burden on society.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> All death sentences are more expensive
>>than incarceration costs. But since you want
>>these executions you don't mind paying for
>>them, no?
>>
>
> Who's creating the paradigm of criminals in the first place?

Well, one could claim the law does, but without the law everything would be
legal and your life wouldn't be worth anything.

"Dawn Flood" <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vfes9n$2s3np$4@dont-email.me...
> On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
>> says...
>>>
>>> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell
>>> back
>>> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>> "Lamey," but
>>> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new prisons
>>>>>> there are,
>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer the
>>>>>> sentences.
>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>
>>>>> More support:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to
>>>>> fill up the
>>>>> prisons.
>>>>
>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>
>> Then dont do it.
>
> A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so. Point is
> that people can and do change while in prison.

Somehow, I bet it wasn't just the $5,000 that was taken.. I'm pretty sure
one or more people died due to a direct result of that crime. It is those
deaths that put you in prison without parole.

> Does it make sense to imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K
> some 5 years ago? 10? 50? A year ago?

Well.. we could always just execute them.

However, show me a case were someone was given like just for robbing a bank
of 5K... can't be for any other crime just the robbery of the money.

If you can't.. then your argument is facetious.

"Sam Elliott Harris Voter" <another.tim.walz@pussy.org> wrote in message
news:vfffjj$23j8t$7@news.mixmin.net...
> On 10/24/2024 6:29 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 10/22/2024 2:35 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <rxSRO.54739$KDwf.3770@fx01.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>> Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>> "Lamey," but
>>>> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking loser.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new prisons
>>>>>>> there are,
>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer the
>>>>>>> sentences.
>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-justice-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick to
>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>
>>> Then dont do it.
>>
>> A tiny number of people do, though, and will continue to do so. Point is
>> that people can and do change while in prison. Does it make sense to
>> imprison someone for having robbed a bank for 5K some 5 years ago? 10?
>> 50? A year ago?
>
> If that's your position on robbery, why not include rape? Rapists change,
> assuming they ever really were rapists.

Yep, maybe next time they will try anal, or someone younger.

On 10/25/2024 7:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:

>
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and
>>> another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>>
>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
>>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester
>>>>> and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>>
>>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>>>>> > says...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is >>
>>>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi >> >
>>>>> fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>>
>>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, >> >>
>>>>> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun >> >> SchittenPantzen,
>>>>> impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>>
>> Yep!  That certainly is the default, all right!  *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!
>>
>>>>> >> >> [...]
>>>>> >>     All death sentences are more expensive
>>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we could
>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and over,
>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why the
>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural error was
>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably tainted,
>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't make
>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space and
>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> But since you want
>>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>>> >> them, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file and
>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be reexamined in
>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
>>>>> error.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried out
>>>>> immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round of
>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have the
>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge who can
>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the execution
>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already being
>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too expensive.. I
>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>>
>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>>
>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live in
>> North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate North
>> Korea.
>
> The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the people IN..
> ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.
That's not the problem, scooter. The problem is that North Korea is a despotic
dictatorship, and that is the only reason they don't have due process. What you
are calling "BS," scooter, is due process and the rest of the rule of law that
makes the U.S. civilized, and the lack of which makes North Korea a shithole.

You're just not going to get your way, scooter. The due process that makes our
justice system relatively just is not going away. We are not going to have
summary executions of people you consider undesirable, scooter.

On 10/25/2024 7:08 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:

>
>
> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> news:671a9c57$0$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> In article <XnsB21583875F590629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:671a5878$7$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
>>> > tape and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>>
>>>
>>>    By "red tape" you mean the Constitution.
>>
>> Oh please.
>
> I'm curious where the Constitution says invaders

No "invaders," scooter.

>
>>> "The Due Process Clause applies to all persons within the
>>> United States, including aliens, whether their presence is
>>> lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."
>>> The US Supreme Court, Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)
>>> <http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/99-7791.html>
>
> Great..
> Says,[Hartung comma] nothing about us not removing them

It specifies you can't just round up people you think don't belong here and
deport them, scooter. That's what it says.

The comma is *wrong*, scooter.

On 10/25/2024 7:14 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:

>
>
> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> news:671a9c75$2$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> In article <XnsB2158607681D5629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:

>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> > See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
>>> > of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
>>> > have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
>>> > the judge who can review any new evidence or proof of errors made
>>> > during trial that could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>
>>>
>>>     It is precisely those "endless rounds
>>> of appeals" that uncovered over 100 innocent
>>> men sitting on death rows across the country.
>
> Where [sic] they innocent? The only link produced does not establish that.

It does, scooter.

Why do you keep writing "where" when you mean "were" (and vice-versa), scooter?

>
>>>     Would you have preferred them to be executed?
>>>
>>>     Funny that the most active death penalty
>>> state in the country - Texas - also leads the
>>> country in DNA exonerations of inmates on death
>>> row.
>>>
>>> https://www.johntfloyd.com/texas-harris-country-lead-in-exonerations-and-
>>> wrongful-convictions/
>
> Cite doesn't support the claim made,

Yes, scooter, it does.

> As usual Rudy responds with unsupported assertions along with smoke and
> mirrors.. none of which collaborate [sic] his claims.
It wasn't Rudy who posted that, scooter; it was Mitch Holman. And "collaborate"
is simply the wrong word, scooter. You meant *corroborate*, but that's a word
that is not actually in your vocabulary.

On 10/24/2024 6:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:vfeni8$2rig0$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>>
> news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>>> cking.dwarf.com...
>>>>> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>>>>> Shit-4-Braincell back
>>>>>> when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted as
>>>>>> "Lamey," but
>>>>>> he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a fucking
>>>>>> loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza <js@phendrie.con>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>>>>>>>> prisons there are,
>>>>>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and longer
>>>>>>>>> the sentences.
>>>>>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions. The more
>>>>>>>>> prisons and
>>>>>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More support:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-criminal-
> justi
>>>>>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>
>>>>> Lie site not read
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another gimmick
> to
>>>>>>>> fill up the
>>>>>>>> prisons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt Credit
>>>>> Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took money and blank
>>>>> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt
> Credit
>>>>> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>>>> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen from the
>>>>> Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>>>> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on unrelated
>>>>> controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Career criminal.

No.

>>>>> Life without parole is most deserved

No.

>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole, they
>>>> clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat. Jail servers

What the fuck are "jail servers"?

>>>> no purpose at that point since they will never be rehabilitated.

Prove it.

>>>
>>> All death sentences are more expensive
>>> than incarceration costs. But since you want
>>> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>> them, no?
>>>
>>
>> Who's creating the paradigm of criminals in the first place?
>>
> What is a "paradigm of criminals"?

There is no such thing.

In article <BLOSO.207008$15a6.109985@fx12.iad>, katt@gmail.com says...
>
> On 10/25/2024 7:08 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
> >
> >
> > "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:671a9c57$0$3826$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> In article <XnsB21583875F590629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>> news:671a5878$7$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
> >>> > tape and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    By "red tape" you mean the Constitution.
> >>
> >> Oh please.
> >
> > I'm curious where the Constitution says invaders
>
> No "invaders," scooter.
>
> >
> >>> "The Due Process Clause applies to all persons within the
> >>> United States, including aliens, whether their presence is
> >>> lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent."
> >>> The US Supreme Court, Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)
> >>> <http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/99-7791.html>
> >
> > Great..
> > Says,[Hartung comma] nothing about us not removing them
>
> It specifies you can't just round up people you think don't belong here and
> deport them, scooter. That's what it says.
>
> The comma is *wrong*, scooter.

Yes we can and will.

In article <qPOSO.201812$WtV9.70852@fx10.iad>, katt@gmail.com says...
>
> On 10/25/2024 7:14 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
> >
> >
> > "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:671a9c75$2$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> In article <XnsB2158607681D5629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round
> >>> > of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
> >>> > have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
> >>> > the judge who can review any new evidence or proof of errors made
> >>> > during trial that could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     It is precisely those "endless rounds
> >>> of appeals" that uncovered over 100 innocent
> >>> men sitting on death rows across the country.
> >
> > Where [sic] they innocent? The only link produced does not establish that.
>
> It does, scooter.
>
> Why do you keep writing "where" when you mean "were" (and vice-versa), scooter?
>
> >
> >>>     Would you have preferred them to be executed?
> >>>
> >>>     Funny that the most active death penalty
> >>> state in the country - Texas - also leads the
> >>> country in DNA exonerations of inmates on death
> >>> row.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.johntfloyd.com/texas-harris-country-lead-in-exonerations-and-
> >>> wrongful-convictions/
> >
> > Cite doesn't support the claim made,
>
> Yes, scooter, it does.
>
> > As usual Rudy responds with unsupported assertions along with smoke and
> > mirrors.. none of which collaborate [sic] his claims.
> It wasn't Rudy who posted that, scooter; it was Mitch Holman. And "collaborate"
> is simply the wrong word, scooter. You meant *corroborate*, but that's a word
> that is not actually in your vocabulary.

As Rudy diverts from the topic.