https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html

A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
incorporate the Bible into lessons

They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
plans on students in grades 5 through 12.

The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.

.. . .

I agree with them.

If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
1st amendment.

I can *understand* the desire to insert more
morality/ethics for the kiddies. They really
HAVE become nasty/dangerous of late. No "greater"
paradigm, well, just doesn't work well for real-
world humans. Sometimes a Big Lie is more useful
than Truth/perspective ... sorry.

BUT, as we've seen from the Inquisition to ISIS,
going TOO far into the Lie also has serious
down-sides. There's a kinder and gentler (and
safer) middle ground in there somewhere.
- IMHO, revive "ethics". To many it SEEMS "religious",
but really isn't. More "empathetic", universal.

Way back in the 60s, I was probably the only kid
in school known to be un-religious (despite the
cold-war push against 'godless commies'). Thing
is I was never persecuted for it. Why ? Because
I realized early on that un-belief should never
be "evangelical" - otherwise it BECOMES a de-facto
religion for all intents and purposes, and with
all the same negatives. They wanna believe in 'X',
fine, no prob, let 'em, their right, don't
denigrate. People "believe" in all sorts of stuff.
Oh, also wasn't a 'commie', nothing against the
imperialist football jocks or biz or such. Guess
proto-MAGA went back quite a way :-)

186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>
> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>
> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>
> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>
> . . .
>
> I agree with them.
>
> If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
> it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
> Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
> also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
> NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
> 1st amendment.
>
> I can *understand* the desire to insert more
> morality/ethics for the kiddies.

This isn't about morality or ethics. It's about
establishment of religion, pure and simple. It's about
trading the constitution for theocracy.

<...>

On 10/18/24 1:32 AM, Frank Lee wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>>
>> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
>> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
>> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>>
>> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
>> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
>> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>>
>> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
>> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
>> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>>
>> . . .
>>
>> I agree with them.
>>
>> If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
>> it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
>> Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
>> also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
>> NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
>> 1st amendment.
>>
>> I can *understand* the desire to insert more
>> morality/ethics for the kiddies.
>
> This isn't about morality or ethics. It's about
> establishment of religion, pure and simple. It's about
> trading the constitution for theocracy.

To SOME, yes.

However, overall, I'd say it's justified concerns,
like survival concerns, over the "Clockwork Orange"
generation.

Pop religion is an easy go-to.

IMHO, don't look TOO hard for Vast Konspiracies.
A FEW are on that track, but they are a few.

Didja see what I said about "evangelical" atheism ?

186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>
>
> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>

makes sense, bible is like a users guide for goat herders and
most people arent.

186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/18/24 1:32 AM, Frank Lee wrote:
>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>>>
>>>
>>> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
>>> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
>>> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>>>
>>> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
>>> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
>>> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>>>
>>> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
>>> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
>>> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>>>
>>> . . .
>>>
>>>     I agree with them.
>>>
>>>     If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
>>>     it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
>>>     Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
>>>     also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
>>>     NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
>>>     1st amendment.
>>>
>>>     I can *understand* the desire to insert more
>>>     morality/ethics for the kiddies.
>>
>> This isn't about morality or ethics.  It's about
>> establishment of religion, pure and simple.  It's about
>> trading the constitution for theocracy.
>
>   To SOME, yes.
>
>   However, overall, I'd say it's justified concerns,
>   like survival concerns, over the "Clockwork Orange"
>   generation.
>
>   Pop religion is an easy go-to.
>
>   IMHO, don't look TOO hard for Vast Konspiracies.
>   A FEW are on that track, but they are a few.
>
>   Didja see what I said about "evangelical" atheism ?
>

i have heard this reference in many places, i have to watch
clockwork orange.

On 10/17/2024 11:09 PM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-
> education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>
> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>
> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>
> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>
> . . .
>
>   I agree with them.
>
>   If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
>   it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
>   Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
>   also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
>   NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
>   1st amendment.
>
>   I can *understand* the desire to insert more
>   morality/ethics for the kiddies. They really
>   HAVE become nasty/dangerous of late. No "greater"
>   paradigm, well, just doesn't work well for real-
>   world humans. Sometimes a Big Lie is more useful
>   than Truth/perspective ... sorry.
>
>   BUT, as we've seen from the Inquisition to ISIS,
>   going TOO far into the Lie also has serious
>   down-sides. There's a kinder and gentler (and
>   safer) middle ground in there somewhere.
> -
>   IMHO, revive "ethics". To many it SEEMS "religious",
>   but really isn't. More "empathetic", universal.
>
>   Way back in the 60s, I was probably the only kid
>   in school known to be un-religious (despite the
>   cold-war push against 'godless commies'). Thing
>   is I was never persecuted for it. Why ? Because
>   I realized early on that un-belief should never
>   be "evangelical" - otherwise it BECOMES a de-facto
>   religion for all intents and purposes, and with
>   all the same negatives. They wanna believe in 'X',
>   fine, no prob, let 'em, their right, don't
>   denigrate. People "believe" in all sorts of stuff.
>   Oh, also wasn't a 'commie', nothing against the
>   imperialist football jocks or biz or such. Guess
>   proto-MAGA went back quite a way  :-)
>

Agree with much of this. It's very clear from history that this country
was founding by people who thought the government and the church should
be two separate entities.

Teaching the Golden Rule is the easiest way to install morality in
people, and that doesn't require religion, just empathy.

On 10/18/24 7:11 AM, kazu wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 10/18/24 1:32 AM, Frank Lee wrote:
>>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
>>>> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
>>>> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>>>>
>>>> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
>>>> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
>>>> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>>>>
>>>> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
>>>> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
>>>> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>>     I agree with them.
>>>>
>>>>     If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
>>>>     it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
>>>>     Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
>>>>     also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
>>>>     NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
>>>>     1st amendment.
>>>>
>>>>     I can *understand* the desire to insert more
>>>>     morality/ethics for the kiddies.
>>>
>>> This isn't about morality or ethics.  It's about
>>> establishment of religion, pure and simple.  It's about
>>> trading the constitution for theocracy.
>>
>>    To SOME, yes.
>>
>>    However, overall, I'd say it's justified concerns,
>>    like survival concerns, over the "Clockwork Orange"
>>    generation.
>>
>>    Pop religion is an easy go-to.
>>
>>    IMHO, don't look TOO hard for Vast Konspiracies.
>>    A FEW are on that track, but they are a few.
>>
>>    Didja see what I said about "evangelical" atheism ?
>>
>
>
> i have heard this reference in many places, i have to watch clockwork
> orange.

You've never even SEEN/read it ???

Kinda 'arty' Brit film - a very young Malcom McDowell
in a very sinister role. It was a book before it was
a film.

You'll rec the thugs pretty well however despite the
artsy dress-up ... AND the do-little for-appearances
govt types.

186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/18/24 7:11 AM, kazu wrote:
>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> On 10/18/24 1:32 AM, Frank Lee wrote:
>>>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13973169/Oklahoma-parents-sue-education-officials-stop-Bible-studies-introduced-class.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A group of parents of public school students, teachers, and
>>>>> ministers are fighting to stop schools being forced to
>>>>> incorporate the Bible into lessons
>>>>>
>>>>> They are suing State Superintendent Ryan Walters, Oklahoma's
>>>>> top education official, to prevent him forcing the lesson
>>>>> plans on students in grades 5 through 12.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lawsuit filed with the Oklahoma Supreme Court also
>>>>> asked the court to stop the state spending $3 million
>>>>> to buy Bibles in support of Walters' mandate.
>>>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>     I agree with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If a school is gonna be pushing religion(s) then
>>>>>     it has to push a BUNCH of religions - Islam, Hindu,
>>>>>     Zoroastrian, 'Satanism', All Hail Woden One-Eye. It
>>>>>     also needs to push the idea that religions are BS.
>>>>>     NO favorites !!! That's the (wise) gist of the
>>>>>     1st amendment.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I can *understand* the desire to insert more
>>>>>     morality/ethics for the kiddies.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't about morality or ethics.  It's about
>>>> establishment of religion, pure and simple.  It's about
>>>> trading the constitution for theocracy.
>>>
>>>    To SOME, yes.
>>>
>>>    However, overall, I'd say it's justified concerns,
>>>    like survival concerns, over the "Clockwork Orange"
>>>    generation.
>>>
>>>    Pop religion is an easy go-to.
>>>
>>>    IMHO, don't look TOO hard for Vast Konspiracies.
>>>    A FEW are on that track, but they are a few.
>>>
>>>    Didja see what I said about "evangelical" atheism ?
>>>
>>
>>
>> i have heard this reference in many places, i have to watch
>> clockwork orange.
>
>   You've never even SEEN/read it ???
>
>   Kinda 'arty' Brit film - a very young Malcom McDowell
>   in a very sinister role. It was a book before it was
>   a film.
>
>   You'll rec the thugs pretty well however despite the
>   artsy dress-up ... AND the do-little for-appearances
>   govt types.

is it streaming anywhere or i have to pirate it? let me see.