On Fri, 10 May 2024 15:44:14 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la5qhgFoi8dU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:33:20 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5br1Fmf3cU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <Uc6%N.11059$uO7b.4346@fx05.iad> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>>>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> per·son
>>>>>>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>>>>>>> noun
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>>>>>>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>>>>>> You are now being argumentative.
>>>>> Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>> An individual human being,
>>>>> tautology
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
>>>>>> alive!"
>>>>> Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.
>>>> If you look above you will see I was repeating something
>>>> that was said by someone else. I challenged the statement
>>>> and was ignored.
>>>>
>>>> The origional was posted by The Starmaker
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>>>>>> What constitutes a human person?
>>>>>> Good question.
>>>>> You can't answer it.
>>>> Again I did not make the origional statement.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted by The
>>>> Starmaker.
>>>>
>>>> Historically a person was a human being, which is a
>>>> socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
>>>> This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
>>>> fetus and a legal person.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>>>>>> At conception, of course.
>>>>>> Is a fetus a person?
>>>>> Not a complete person.
>>>> So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
>>>> person? Just what is the difference between an incomplete
>>>> person and a complete person?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human
>> But not yet a person or a human, just as an acorn is not yet
>> an oak tree and an egg is not yet a chicken.
>>
>
>do you believe late term abortion is ok?

I leave the entire subject up to the woman and her doctor.
At some point it would be more dangerous for her to get an
abortion than to complete the process and that point would
be determined medically.

Very few abortions not based upon medical conditions occur
toward the end of the process.

--

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and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

palsing wrote:
> Maximus wrote:
>
>> a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human.
>
>
>
> Does that mean I can claim a fetus as a dependant on my income taxes?

no because it's only 9 months

Attila wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:33:20 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <la5br1Fmf3cU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <Uc6%N.11059$uO7b.4346@fx05.iad> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> per·son
>>>>>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>>>>>> noun
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>>>>>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>>>>> You are now being argumentative.
>>>> Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
>>>>
>>>>> An individual human being,
>>>> tautology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
>>>>> alive!"
>>>> Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.
>>> If you look above you will see I was repeating something
>>> that was said by someone else. I challenged the statement
>>> and was ignored.
>>>
>>> The origional was posted by The Starmaker
>>>
>>>>>>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>>>>> What constitutes a human person?
>>>>> Good question.
>>>> You can't answer it.
>>> Again I did not make the origional statement.
>>>
>>> In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted by The
>>> Starmaker.
>>>
>>> Historically a person was a human being, which is a
>>> socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
>>> This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
>>> fetus and a legal person.
>>>
>>>>>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>>>>> At conception, of course.
>>>>> Is a fetus a person?
>>>> Not a complete person.
>>> So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
>>> person? Just what is the difference between an incomplete
>>> person and a complete person?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human
>
> But not yet a person or a human, just as an acorn is not yet
> an oak tree and an egg is not yet a chicken.
>
but the oak tree was never pregnant , neither was the chicken

On Fri, 10 May 2024 06:34:22 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<f7ScnQEcCPHCv6P7nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com> wrote:

>palsing wrote:
>> Maximus wrote:
>>
>>> a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that mean I can claim a fetus as a dependant on my income taxes?
>
>no because it's only 9 months

A marriage, death, or birth on the last day of the year is
considered to cover the entire year.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Fri, 10 May 2024 06:37:01 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<f7ScnQAcCPFjv6P7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:33:20 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <la5br1Fmf3cU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:45:31 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <Uc6%N.11059$uO7b.4346@fx05.iad> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/2024 2:47 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 7 May 2024 23:15:59 -0700, Mike Colangelo
>>>>>> <air@vatican_.con> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <zME_N.97520$lwqa.80206@fx18.iad> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/5/2024 3:14 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 May 2024 10:55:58 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <6637C82E.65EA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is the fourth person...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> murders.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>>>>>>>>>>>> places two murders and in some places one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!
>>>>>>>>>> Reference please. Or is this your opinion?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "Reference"? It's the definition. (you don't even know if the earth exist!)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+person
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> per·son
>>>>>>>>> /'p?rs(?)n/
>>>>>>>>> noun
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a human being regarded as an individual.
>>>>>>> An individual what? I have individual potted plants growing in my garden.
>>>>>> You are now being argumentative.
>>>>> Fuck off. That's all you're ever doing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>> An individual human being,
>>>>> tautology
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> " A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's
>>>>>> alive!"
>>>>> Cattle have all that, and they are not persons.
>>>> If you look above you will see I was repeating something
>>>> that was said by someone else. I challenged the statement
>>>> and was ignored.
>>>>
>>>> The origional was posted by The Starmaker
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "the porter was the last person to see her"
>>>>>>> What constitutes a human person?
>>>>>> Good question.
>>>>> You can't answer it.
>>>> Again I did not make the origional statement.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, you copied a part of a definition posted by The
>>>> Starmaker.
>>>>
>>>> Historically a person was a human being, which is a
>>>> socio-legal term that requires species human and live birth.
>>>> This is reflected in the laws that differentiate between a
>>>> fetus and a legal person.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when exactly does a human being exist?
>>>>>>> At conception, of course.
>>>>>> Is a fetus a person?
>>>>> Not a complete person.
>>>> So someone can be a little bit of a person but not a whole
>>>> person? Just what is the difference between an incomplete
>>>> person and a complete person?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> a fetus could be considered an incomplete person or human
>>
>> But not yet a person or a human, just as an acorn is not yet
>> an oak tree and an egg is not yet a chicken.
>>
>but the oak tree was never pregnant , neither was the chicken

Irrelevant. Pregnancy is the way mammals develop a fetus
for the eventual final stage. Plants and non-mammals do it
differently but the process is similar and the result is the
same.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.