On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
<j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>
>> https://thefederalist.com/
>
>That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>
> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>
>That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>
> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
> corporations.
>
>It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>
> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
> to do such a thing if elected president.
>
>Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>
> 4. Jan. 6
> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
> claim, [bullshit erased]
>
>Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>
> 5. Project 2025
> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>
>That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>*publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>
>The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>
>Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>the entire 90 minutes.

I have been following politics to some extent since John F
Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.

Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
They are not interested in solving any problems - an actual
solution would possibly mean losing a vote and that is not
to be tolerated. Problems are all delayed past the next
election when they may well become a problem for someone
else. Solving problems do not generate votes and getting
votes by any means possible including by lying, stealing,
falsifying, forging, buying or whatever it takes to get
another vote in your favor is not only allowed and expected
but encouraged.

Lies are never lies but "political positions" and are
changed more frequently than dirty underwear.

In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
environment I have never seen anything like the level of
total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
involve this goal. They elected Biden President because he
is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
especially with a high maintenance family such as his.

And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
across a room by herself without tripping. But that doesn't
matter - she is not Donald Trump and that is all that
counts.

I stand disgusted at all politicians but especially those
who advocate the anybody but Trump position. They do not
oppose his policies, positions, or anything at all other
than the fact that his name is Donald Trump.

I especially find those that would vote according to the
opinion of some famous talking head especially contemptible.
If you have a heart attack who would you call? Some
Hollywood has been egomaniac? Taylor Swift? A basketball
player? Or a doctor who may save your life. Yet so many
fools don't look beyond some famous "endorsement" by someone
totally unrelated to solving any problems that arise in an
elected office but who have become famous by doing something
entirely unrelated.

But in politics problems are never solved but are studied,
relegated to a fact-finding committee, and a dozen other
ways to avoid an actual answer.but make a great sound byte
that can be used to feed a pet news reporter.

I probably won't live long enough to see the next stage but
I wonder what convoluted mid-air twisting will be done in
the next national election when there probably won't be a
Donald Trump to beat up on. If there actually ever is a
next election.

I would hate to see the odds on that one but I would bet the
next election is less likely to occur after a Harris
election than a Trump election.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

"Attila" wrote in message
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>
>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
><j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>
>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>
>>That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not
>>a
>>lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not
>>going
>>to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>
>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not
>> true.
>>
>>That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors
>>quite
>>likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class.
>>And
>>Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>
>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the
>> Trump
>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires
>> and
>> corporations.
>>
>>It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited
>>the rich.
>>
>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not
>> pledged
>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>
>>Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without
>>question
>>taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal
>>sales
>>tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as
>>sales
>>taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>
>> 4. Jan. 6
>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol
>> was the
>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to
>> Harris’
>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>
>>Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the
>>worst
>>attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing
>>about
>>democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the
>>most
>>widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever
>>label
>>you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* —
>>yes, it
>>was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>>government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>
>> 5. Project 2025
>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump
>> has
>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>
>>That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>>Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>>*publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>
>>The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>
>>Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens.
>>Trump lied
>>the entire 90 minutes.
>
>I have been following politics to some extent since John F
>Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
>politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
>focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.
>
>Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
>They are not interested in solving any problems - an actual
>solution would possibly mean losing a vote and that is not
>to be tolerated. Problems are all delayed past the next
>election when they may well become a problem for someone
>else. Solving problems do not generate votes and getting
>votes by any means possible including by lying, stealing,
>falsifying, forging, buying or whatever it takes to get
>another vote in your favor is not only allowed and expected
>but encouraged.
>
>Lies are never lies but "political positions" and are
>changed more frequently than dirty underwear.
>
>In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
>involve this goal.
>

Then Donald Trump must be different somehow. This is the biggest political
smear and slander campaign I've ever witnessed.
The only reason I can see is that he publically, boldly and repeatedly
called out the deep state, media, etc. The cabals don't like that. They kill
people for that, and JFK is the classic example.

>
>They elected Biden President because he
>is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
>someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
>years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
>especially with a high maintenance family such as his.
>

Are you saying Biden is a crook? I will agree. Yes politicians shouldn't be
so filthy rich. But businessmen like Trump have an excuse.
So is there systemic corruption or a deep state? Yes indeed. It's obvious.

>
>And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
>try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
>across a room by herself without tripping. But that doesn't
>matter - she is not Donald Trump and that is all that
>counts.
>
>I stand disgusted at all politicians but especially those
>who advocate the anybody but Trump position. They do not
>oppose his policies, positions, or anything at all other
>than the fact that his name is Donald Trump.
>

Harris is a Marxist.

>
>I especially find those that would vote according to the
>opinion of some famous talking head especially contemptible.
>If you have a heart attack who would you call? Some
>Hollywood has been egomaniac? Taylor Swift? A basketball
>player? Or a doctor who may save your life. Yet so many
>fools don't look beyond some famous "endorsement" by someone
>totally unrelated to solving any problems that arise in an
>elected office but who have become famous by doing something
>entirely unrelated.
>
>But in politics problems are never solved but are studied,
>relegated to a fact-finding committee, and a dozen other
>ways to avoid an actual answer.but make a great sound byte
>that can be used to feed a pet news reporter.
>
>I probably won't live long enough to see the next stage but
>I wonder what convoluted mid-air twisting will be done in
>the next national election when there probably won't be a
>Donald Trump to beat up on. If there actually ever is a
>next election.
>
>I would hate to see the odds on that one but I would bet the
>next election is less likely to occur after a Harris
>election than a Trump election.
>

If Harris is elected America will be like communist China and there will be
never ending wars and poverty.

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:19:11 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
>try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
>across a room by herself without tripping.

I guess you missed her disembowelment of the thug the GOP is running for
President.

Proof that Harris won
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kjMY3ZaQgk8>
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump

"Governor Swill" wrote in message
news:rekhejlblnb00luf4gmapqg4lu5eq079q1@4ax.com...
>
>On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:19:11 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
>>try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
>>across a room by herself without tripping.
>
>I guess you missed her disembowelment of the thug the GOP is running for
>President.
>
>Proof that Harris won
><https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kjMY3ZaQgk8>
>

Someone's opinion of a past similar situation is proof?

>
>Where's Melania?
>

Relevance?

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:29:53 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>If Harris is elected America will be like communist China and there will be
>never ending wars and poverty.

<laughs and points>

They said that about Biden. And Obama. And Clinton. And Carter. And JFK.
They're still whining about that commie FDR.

LOL!

Rodney's schedule
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dSufEn4y5Xc>

--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:

> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.

Never in American history has any
candidate been opposed by so many
members of his own party. Condi Rice,
Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
Bolton.

Fold that into your "Democratic
hatred" narrative.

24 former Trump allies and aides
who turned against him
October 3, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
matters/index.html

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:15:10 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>"Governor Swill" wrote in message
>news:rekhejlblnb00luf4gmapqg4lu5eq079q1@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:19:11 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
>>>try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
>>>across a room by herself without tripping.
>>
>>I guess you missed her disembowelment of the thug the GOP is running for
>>President.
>>
>>Proof that Harris won
>><https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kjMY3ZaQgk8>
>>
>
>Someone's opinion of a past similar situation is proof?

Insurance companies don't raise you rates if you've had traffic tickets? Or if
you've had cancer once already?

Here we have a Republican claiming that if she felt that she had actually won,
she would not be demanding another debate. Yet when Trump beat Biden, he was
looking forward to more.

Then the fat, orange guy found out that 'more' wouldn't be with Biden so he
tried to chicken out. Public shame forced him to keep his agreement with the
DNC and we got to see why he tried to chicken out.

The professional prosecutor set him up and dissected him time after time until
all he had left was some lame fiction about immigrants stealing and eating pets.
He should be ashamed of propagating such an outlandish lie.

Harris kicked his ass. You know it, I know it, she knows it and Trump knows it.

The FOG is not eager for another dose of Dr Harris' medicine!

“As a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, ‘Are you a Republican
or a Democrat?’” Harris said in her closing statement. “The only thing I
ever asked them: ‘Are you okay?’ And that’s the kind of president we need right
now. Someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.”

Two minutes later, after a closing statement in which Trump referred to
America as “a failing nation,” he exited the stage, into the shadows, a
broken man atop a broken campaign.

<https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/kamala-harris-broke-donald-trump/679780/>

--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:

>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>
>
>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>
>
>
> Never in American history has any
>candidate been opposed by so many
>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>Bolton.
>
> Fold that into your "Democratic
>hatred" narrative.

Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
play the game. He actually does something and tries to
eliminate the professionally established control that
prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
and retains the control of power internally to the system.

This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
local government.

Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
matter what political party is involved.

>
>
>
>
>
>24 former Trump allies and aides
>who turned against him
>October 3, 2023
>
>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>matters/index.html

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On 9/16/2024 1:19 PM, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>
>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>
>> That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>> lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>> to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>
>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>>
>> That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>> likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>> Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>
>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
>> corporations.
>>
>> It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>>
>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>
>> Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>> taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>> tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>> taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>
>> 4. Jan. 6
>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>
>> Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>> attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>> democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>> widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>> you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>> was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>> government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>
>> 5. Project 2025
>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>
>> That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>> Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>> *publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>
>> The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>
>> Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>> the entire 90 minutes.
>
> I have been following politics to some extent since John F
> Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
> politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
> focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.

That's a lie.

>
> Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.

Most politicians tell the truth most of the time — all but Trump and George Santos.

> They are not interested in solving any problems

That's a lie.

>
> Lies are never lies but "political positions" and

Sometimes they are obviously lies and it costs them.

>
> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump.

He earned it. He richly deserves it. He earned it in spaces even *before* his
insurrection, but the insurrection sealed it for all time. No president who lost
an election ever tried to steal an unearned term as Trump did.

> The entire Democrat party

There is no such party.

> has been focused to one thing to the
> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.

That's a lie. But the *political* destruction of Trump is a very high priority
for them, as it should be — as it should be for all right-thinking Americans.

> There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
> involve this goal.

That's a lie.

> They elected Biden President because he
> is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
> someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
> years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
> especially with a high maintenance family such as his.

Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $10 million. Nearly all of that was
accumulated in the first few years after leaving the vice presidency, especially
in 2017. He and his wife earned the money honestly. They both had best-selling
books published, and Joe earned very high speaking fees, as former presidents
and vice presidents typically do. There is a very good Forbes page detailing
their income from 2017-2020 here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/10/22/how-the-bidens-earned-167-million-after-leaving-the-white-house/

Biden earned his money honestly, legally and ethically.

>
> And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
> try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
> across a room by herself without tripping. But that doesn't
> matter - she is not Donald Trump and that is all that
> counts.

She is far more talented than a hyper-partisan fuckwit like you could ever hope
to grasp. However, not being Trump is a very important qualification. It's not
"all" that counts, but it can't be discounted.

> I stand disgusted at all politicians but especially those
> who advocate the anybody but Trump position.

No, the anybody-but-Trump position is one of the defining characteristics of a
moral person in the U.S. at this time.

> They do not oppose his policies, positions, or anything at all other
> than the fact that his name is Donald Trump.

That's a lie. We oppose:

* his embrace of foreign tyrants
* his embrace of domestic Nazis like you
* his racism
* his hatred of immigrants and all non-whites
* his tax cuts that almost exclusively help plutocrats
* his grifting
* his raping and demeaning of women (and all the rest of his misogyny)
* his perversion of U.S. foreign policy for his domestic political gain
* his insurrections and soft coups
* his pardons of felons *only* because they are his political cronies
* his overall general criminality

There are hundreds — nay, *thousands* — of reasons to loathe and hate Donald
Trump and want to see him dead.

> [snip the rest of 84+ year old Nazi's rabid foam.

Fuck off.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:53:43 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never in American history has any
>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>Bolton.
>>
>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>hatred" narrative.
>
>Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>play the game. He actually does something and tries to
>eliminate the professionally established control that
>prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>
>This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
>local government.
>
>Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
>matter what political party is involved.

>>24 former Trump allies and aides
>>who turned against him
>>October 3, 2023
>>
>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>>matters/index.html

The operative phrase being "professionally established control". We have a
government bureaucracy (the folks who actually do the work) that is staffed with
career professionals who know their jobs and the law. Trump wants to replace
them with loyalists. Know what you get when you hire and promote based on
loyalty instead of competence?

Russia.

What do you want to do when you grow up?
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B6VVyXGrbt0>
--
Where's Melania?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:10:53 -0700, J Carlson
<j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vcavgf$3apfu$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 9/16/2024 1:19 PM, Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>>
>>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>>
>>> That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>>> lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>>> to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>>
>>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>>>
>>> That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>>> likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>>> Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>>
>>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
>>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
>>> corporations.
>>>
>>> It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>>>
>>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
>>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>>
>>> Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>>> taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>>> tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>>> taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>>
>>> 4. Jan. 6
>>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
>>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
>>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>>
>>> Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>>> attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>>> democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>>> widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>>> you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>>> was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>>> government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>>
>>> 5. Project 2025
>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
>>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>>
>>> That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>>> Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>>> *publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>>
>>> The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>>
>>> Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>>> the entire 90 minutes.
>>
>> I have been following politics to some extent since John F
>> Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
>> politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
>> focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.
>
>That's a lie.

What part and why?

>
>>
>> Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
>
>Most politicians tell the truth most of the time — all but Trump and George Santos.

Are you familiar with Adam Schiff?

On June 21, 2023, the House of Representatives censured
Schiff in a party-line vote on H.Res. 521, which
investigated his role as Chairman of the Intelligence
Committee in promoting the "conspiracy theory" that Donald
Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 United States
presidential election.[91] The resolution established that
Schiff misled the American public with "falsehoods,
misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information"
about the election and as part of the first impeachment of
Donald Trump.[92][93] Schiff has denied the allegations,
calling them "defamatory".

>
>> They are not interested in solving any problems
>
>That's a lie.
>
>>
>> Lies are never lies but "political positions" and
>
>Sometimes they are obviously lies and it costs them.

Not enough.

>
>>
>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump.
>
>He earned it. He richly deserves it. He earned it in spaces even *before* his
>insurrection, but the insurrection sealed it for all time. No president who lost
>an election ever tried to steal an unearned term as Trump did.

Yet he has never been charged with insurrection even though
he has been charged with everything else the Dims could
think of. He has one conviction which is under appeal.

>
>
>> The entire Democrat party
>
>There is no such party.

Democrat Mob?

Or the Dims as I call them.

Democrats are insane. No, actually they are predictability
focused.

They are all about votes to put their agenda into law. A
large number of them are dependent on government programs of
some type such as Medicare, Social Security, welfare, food
stamps, and dozens of other programs that give income to
those who have not earned it. Basically income
redistribution.

These people look at what they have and support those they
trust to continue the something for nothing policies. They
line up in droves for those who will promise to give them
even more, whether it is free medical care, college
education, a higher minimum wage, or a minimum
government provided income for all.

They don't care where the money is coming from as long as
they get their free stuff. Many if not most of them know
nothing about economics and care even less. All they care
about is whether or not they will get their free stuff this
month and possibly more next month. Most of them cannot
understand or care that someone must pay
somewhere - as far as they are concerned it's government
money, their experience is that the government always has
money, and they cannot conceive of anything else. Many of
them have never earned a taxable dollar in their life and as
far as they are concerned anybody who makes enough to pay
taxes is making too much and they are entitled to it.

They will vote for anyone who promises them to continue
their free stuff, and especially those who will add to it,
and reflexively attack with any weapon handy anyone they
perceive as trying to end this situation. False
accusations, physical assaults, direct lies - nothing is
barred and all is permitted in the name of continuing those
free handouts.

When this becomes the actual numerical majority so that they
can vote into office anyone who supports their cause of more
free stuff and politically (and sometimes literally) destroy
anyone who stands in their way the result will be a
combination of any or all of a war of aggression to gain
wealth to support the economy or a depression that
will make the Great Depression of the 1930's look like a
day at Disneyland.

At any rate it will be time for all sane educated people who
understand just what is going on to dig a hole, jump in, and
pull it in after them.

>
>
>> has been focused to one thing to the
>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>
>That's a lie. But the *political* destruction of Trump is a very high priority
>for them, as it should be — as it should be for all right-thinking Americans.

Not by my definition of right-thinking. Or free thinking.

>
>> There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
>> involve this goal.
>
>That's a lie.

They prove it every day. One way is by constantly repeating
lies that have been proven false by actual recordings both
audio and visual.

On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never in American history has any
>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>Bolton.
>>
>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>hatred" narrative.
>
> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
> play the game. He actually does something and tries to
> eliminate the professionally established control that
> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>
> This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
> local government.
>
> Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
> matter what political party is involved.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>24 former Trump allies and aides
>>who turned against him
>>October 3, 2023
>>
>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>>matters/index.html
>
Trump isn't a part of the DC "good old boys club" and as an outsider he has the potential to spill
the beans on the corruption going on there. When it comes down to it, both sides protect each other
as much as they can because they all know the games that the others are up to.
Being an outsider Trump has no such allegiance so he can be a danger to them.
DC is full of RINOS as well and there is no doubt that some of them are very close to Trump.
Unfortunately they aren't going away so Trump needs to be careful who he trusts.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:duuhejtieops4t7a1lnvo0ng8cg2om7uh9@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never in American history has any
>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>Bolton.
>>
>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>hatred" narrative.
>
> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
> play the game.

Tillerson and Grisham and
Esper and Mattis and Miley are
not "professional politicians",
they have never held elective
office. But even they can see
how Trump is selling out
American interests to curry
favor with our enemies and
enrich himself.

> He actually does something and tries to
> eliminate the professionally established control that
> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>

Trump "retains control" the
way Mafia Dons do - by insisting
on personal loyalty and appointing
family members wherever he can.

And Trump brags about that.

Why do you support him?

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:48:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vcbtrj$3gq21$4@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>><XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Never in American history has any
>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>Bolton.
>>>
>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>hatred" narrative.
>>
>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>> play the game. He actually does something and tries to
>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>
>> This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
>> local government.
>>
>> Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
>> matter what political party is involved.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>24 former Trump allies and aides
>>>who turned against him
>>>October 3, 2023
>>>
>>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>>>matters/index.html
>>
>Trump isn't a part of the DC "good old boys club" and as an outsider he has the potential to spill
>the beans on the corruption going on there. When it comes down to it, both sides protect each other
>as much as they can because they all know the games that the others are up to.
>Being an outsider Trump has no such allegiance so he can be a danger to them.
>DC is full of RINOS as well and there is no doubt that some of them are very close to Trump.
>Unfortunately they aren't going away so Trump needs to be careful who he trusts.

Which is why he is hated by all parties. He doesn't follow
their rules and threatens their employment as well as their
way of life.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:59:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB1F04F6AFD7F2629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:

>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>news:duuhejtieops4t7a1lnvo0ng8cg2om7uh9@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Never in American history has any
>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>Bolton.
>>>
>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>hatred" narrative.
>>
>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>> play the game.
>
>
>
> Tillerson and Grisham and
>Esper and Mattis and Miley are
>not "professional politicians",
>they have never held elective
>office. But even they can see
>how Trump is selling out
>American interests to curry
>favor with our enemies and
>enrich himself.

They want to be reelected. That is all it takes.

>
>> He actually does something and tries to
>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>
>
> Trump "retains control" the
>way Mafia Dons do - by insisting
>on personal loyalty and appointing
>family members wherever he can.

He can trust them, much as JFK appointed RFK AG.

>
> And Trump brags about that.
>
> Why do you support him?

I like most of what he does. He actually accomplishes tasks
rather than just appointing committees.

He is a business man and not a politician.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:48:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Trump isn't a part of the DC "good old boys club" and as an outsider he has the potential to spill
>the beans on the corruption going on there. When it comes down to it, both sides protect each other
>as much as they can because they all know the games that the others are up to.
>Being an outsider Trump has no such allegiance so he can be a danger to them.
>DC is full of RINOS as well and there is no doubt that some of them are very close to Trump.
>Unfortunately they aren't going away so Trump needs to be careful who he trusts.

So why should he expect them to not spill *his* beans.

A foot and a half of snow
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rAuMtFNzXLo>

--
Where's Melania?

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:59:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

> Why do you support him?

They never say. Sometimes you might get some vague, "I like his policies"
response, but the majority of them either don't know why they like him or won't
admit the truth.

Sign on a Family Planning Center - Enter in rear
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OCe00pyzcvI>

--
Where's Melania?

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:58:23 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>Are you familiar with Adam Schiff?
>
>On June 21, 2023, the House of Representatives censured
>Schiff in a party-line vote on H.Res. 521, which
>investigated his role as Chairman of the Intelligence
>Committee in promoting the "conspiracy theory" that Donald
>Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 United States
>presidential election.[91] The resolution established that
>Schiff misled the American public with "falsehoods,
>misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information"
>about the election and as part of the first impeachment of
>Donald Trump.[92][93] Schiff has denied the allegations,
>calling them "defamatory".

"party-line vote"

Rodney at Dorothy Chandler Pavillion
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/atNbI-9j_U0>

--
Where's Melania?

On 9/17/2024 3:58 AM, Attila wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:10:53 -0700, J Carlson
> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <vcavgf$3apfu$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2024 1:19 PM, Attila wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
>>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>>>
>>>> That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>>>> lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>>>> to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>>>
>>>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>>>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>>>>
>>>> That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>>>> likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>>>> Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>>>
>>>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>>>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
>>>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
>>>> corporations.
>>>>
>>>> It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
>>>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>>>
>>>> Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>>>> taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>>>> tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>>>> taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Jan. 6
>>>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
>>>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
>>>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>>>
>>>> Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>>>> attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>>>> democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>>>> widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>>>> you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>>>> was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>>>> government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Project 2025
>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
>>>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>>>
>>>> That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>>>> Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>>>> *publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>>>
>>>> The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>>>
>>>> Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>>>> the entire 90 minutes.
>>>
>>> I have been following politics to some extent since John F
>>> Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
>>> politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
>>> focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
> What part and why?
>
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
>>
>> Most politicians tell the truth most of the time — all but Trump and George Santos.
>
> Are you familiar with Adam Schiff?
>
> On June 21, 2023, the House of Representatives censured
> Schiff in a party-line vote on H.Res. 521, which
> investigated his role as Chairman of the Intelligence
> Committee in promoting the "conspiracy theory" that Donald
> Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 United States
> presidential election.[91] The resolution established that
> Schiff misled the American public with "falsehoods,
> misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information"
> about the election and as part of the first impeachment of
> Donald Trump.[92][93] Schiff has denied the allegations,
> calling them "defamatory".
>
>>
>>> They are not interested in solving any problems
>>
>> That's a lie.
>>
>>>
>>> Lies are never lies but "political positions" and
>>
>> Sometimes they are obviously lies and it costs them.
>
> Not enough.
>
>>
>>>
>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump.
>>
>> He earned it. He richly deserves it. He earned it in spaces even *before* his
>> insurrection, but the insurrection sealed it for all time. No president who lost
>> an election ever tried to steal an unearned term as Trump did.
>
> Yet he has never been charged with insurrection even though
> he has been charged with everything else the Dims could
> think of. He has one conviction which is under appeal.
>
>>
>>
>>> The entire Democrat party
>>
>> There is no such party.
>
> Democrat Mob?

No such thing.

>
> Or the Dims as I call them.

The Nazis as we call you.

> Democrats are insane.

No.

>
> They are all about votes to put their agenda into law.

No different than any other party.

>
> These people look at what they have and support those they
> trust to continue the [erase remaining lies]
>
>>
>>
>>> has been focused to one thing to the
>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>
>> That's a lie. But the *political* destruction of Trump is a very high priority
>> for them, as it should be — as it should be for all right-thinking Americans.
>
> Not by my definition of right-thinking.

Your definition is fucked-up wrong.

>>
>>> There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
>>> involve this goal.
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
> They prove it every day.

That's another lie.

>
>>
>>> They elected Biden President because he
>>> is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
>>> someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
>>> years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
>>> especially with a high maintenance family such as his.
>>
>> Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $10 million. Nearly all of that was
>> accumulated in the first few years after leaving the vice presidency, especially
>> in 2017. He and his wife earned the money honestly. They both had best-selling
>> books published, and Joe earned very high speaking fees, as former presidents
>> and vice presidents typically do.
>
> Aside from capitalizing on his political history why should
> anyone be interested?

None of your ignorant business why anyone is interested.

> Perhaps such paid books and appearances should be banned.

No, Nazi. We won't be banning political memoirs.

>
>> There is a very good Forbes page detailing
>> their income from 2017-2020 here:
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/10/22/how-the-bidens-earned-167-million-after-leaving-the-white-house/
>>
>> Biden earned his money honestly, legally and ethically.
>
> Sure he did.

On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:48:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead
><pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><vcbtrj$3gq21$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>><XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
I haven't run anywhere.
You are snipping and making false claims as you always do.
So for the 100th time, prove I am Carrol
>>>> Never in American history has any
>>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>>Bolton.
>>>>
>>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>>hatred" narrative.
>>>
>>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>>> play the game. He actually does something and tries to
>>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>>
>>> This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
>>> local government.
>>>
>>> Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
>>> matter what political party is involved.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>24 former Trump allies and aides
>>>>who turned against him
>>>>October 3, 2023
>>>>
>>>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>>>>matters/index.html
>>>
>>Trump isn't a part of the DC "good old boys club" and as an outsider he has the potential to spill
>>the beans on the corruption going on there. When it comes down to it, both sides protect each other
>>as much as they can because they all know the games that the others are up to.
>>Being an outsider Trump has no such allegiance so he can be a danger to them.
>>DC is full of RINOS as well and there is no doubt that some of them are very close to Trump.
>>Unfortunately they aren't going away so Trump needs to be careful who he trusts.
>
> Which is why he is hated by all parties. He doesn't follow
> their rules and threatens their employment as well as their
> way of life.
>

Indeed!
+1

--
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On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:59:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><XnsB1F04F6AFD7F2629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:duuhejtieops4t7a1lnvo0ng8cg2om7uh9@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never in American history has any
>>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>>Bolton.
>>>>
>>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>>hatred" narrative.
>>>
>>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>>> play the game.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tillerson and Grisham and
>>Esper and Mattis and Miley are
>>not "professional politicians",
>>they have never held elective
>>office. But even they can see
>>how Trump is selling out
>>American interests to curry
>>favor with our enemies and
>>enrich himself.
>
> They want to be reelected. That is all it takes.
>
>>
>>> He actually does something and tries to
>>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>>
>>
>> Trump "retains control" the
>>way Mafia Dons do - by insisting
>>on personal loyalty and appointing
>>family members wherever he can.
>
> He can trust them, much as JFK appointed RFK AG.
>
>>
>> And Trump brags about that.
>>
>> Why do you support him?
>
> I like most of what he does. He actually accomplishes tasks
> rather than just appointing committees.
>
> He is a business man and not a politician.
>

Politicians literally start on their next reelection campaign the day after they win an election.

--
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Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:55:59 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vccttf$3n2pe$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:48:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>><pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>><vcbtrj$3gq21$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>I haven't run anywhere.
>You are snipping and making false claims as you always do.
>So for the 100th time, prove I am Carrol

I have no idea what you are talking about. I seldom post
here, make few claims, and this is the first time anyone
ever challenged me to prove they are Carol.

I really don't care who your are.

>>>>> Never in American history has any
>>>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>>>Bolton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>>>hatred" narrative.
>>>>
>>>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>>>> play the game. He actually does something and tries to
>>>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>>>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>>>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>>>
>>>> This is also true to a somewhat smaller extent in state and
>>>> local government.
>>>>
>>>> Their ox is being gored and that is not to be tolerated, no
>>>> matter what political party is involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>24 former Trump allies and aides
>>>>>who turned against him
>>>>>October 3, 2023
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>>>>>matters/index.html
>>>>
>>>Trump isn't a part of the DC "good old boys club" and as an outsider he has the potential to spill
>>>the beans on the corruption going on there. When it comes down to it, both sides protect each other
>>>as much as they can because they all know the games that the others are up to.
>>>Being an outsider Trump has no such allegiance so he can be a danger to them.
>>>DC is full of RINOS as well and there is no doubt that some of them are very close to Trump.
>>>Unfortunately they aren't going away so Trump needs to be careful who he trusts.
>>
>> Which is why he is hated by all parties. He doesn't follow
>> their rules and threatens their employment as well as their
>> way of life.
>>
>
>Indeed!
>+1

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
news:XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190...
>
>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>
>
>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>
>
>
> Never in American history has any
>candidate been opposed by so many
>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>Bolton.
>

Yes, they're all controlled by the deep state, that's why. Trump called out
and went up against the deep state.
You dolts always fail to open your eyes, do the math and read the writing on
the wall.

>
> Fold that into your "Democratic
>hatred" narrative.
>
>
>
>
>
>24 former Trump allies and aides
>who turned against him
>October 3, 2023
>
>https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-
>matters/index.html
>

Correction, the deep state turned them against him with bribes and mind
control. MKUltra is a reality.

--
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the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 21:57:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vccu05$3n2pe$4@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 2024-09-17, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:59:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>><noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>><XnsB1F04F6AFD7F2629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>
>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>news:duuhejtieops4t7a1lnvo0ng8cg2om7uh9@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:54:31 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <XnsB1EFD2E551EB3629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>>>news:m42hejhlthvlpvhh5chhdlp32mqt47luf6@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump. The entire
>>>>>> Democrat party has been focused to one thing to the
>>>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Never in American history has any
>>>>>candidate been opposed by so many
>>>>>members of his own party. Condi Rice,
>>>>>Mitt Romney, both Bush and Cheney,
>>>>>Mike Pence, Trump's own appointees
>>>>>like Barr and Tillerson and Grisham
>>>>>and Mattis and Esper and Miley and
>>>>>Bolton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fold that into your "Democratic
>>>>>hatred" narrative.
>>>>
>>>> Every professional politician hates him because he doesn't
>>>> play the game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tillerson and Grisham and
>>>Esper and Mattis and Miley are
>>>not "professional politicians",
>>>they have never held elective
>>>office. But even they can see
>>>how Trump is selling out
>>>American interests to curry
>>>favor with our enemies and
>>>enrich himself.
>>
>> They want to be reelected. That is all it takes.
>>
>>>
>>>> He actually does something and tries to
>>>> eliminate the professionally established control that
>>>> prevails in the Federal government and rewards the players
>>>> and retains the control of power internally to the system.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Trump "retains control" the
>>>way Mafia Dons do - by insisting
>>>on personal loyalty and appointing
>>>family members wherever he can.
>>
>> He can trust them, much as JFK appointed RFK AG.
>>
>>>
>>> And Trump brags about that.
>>>
>>> Why do you support him?
>>
>> I like most of what he does. He actually accomplishes tasks
>> rather than just appointing committees.
>>
>> He is a business man and not a politician.
>>
>
>Politicians literally start on their next reelection campaign the day after they win an election.

I agree. That is one reason I find politicians loathsome and
untrustworthy. They will say and do anything to insure
their next election to the exclusion of any other
considerations.

I would love to see a statement required to register as a
candidate for any elected office at any level:

"I swear under penalty of perjury every statement or claim I
make in my election campaign will be the truth, the entire
truth, and nothing but the truth. If I find any of my
statements or claims have been false I will immediately
issue a public statement correcting said statement or claim
and admit to being previously incorrect."

Needless to say, no politician would ever sign such a
document.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:08:04 -0700, J Carlson
<j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vcck2l$3lgr0$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 9/17/2024 3:58 AM, Attila wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:10:53 -0700, J Carlson
>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <vcavgf$3apfu$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/2024 1:19 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
>>>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>>>>> lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>>>>> to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>>>>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>>>>> likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>>>>> Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>>>>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
>>>>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
>>>>> corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
>>>>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>>>>> taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>>>>> tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>>>>> taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Jan. 6
>>>>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
>>>>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
>>>>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>>>>
>>>>> Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>>>>> attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>>>>> democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>>>>> widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>>>>> you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>>>>> was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>>>>> government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Project 2025
>>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
>>>>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>>>>> Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>>>>> *publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>>>>> the entire 90 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I have been following politics to some extent since John F
>>>> Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
>>>> politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
>>>> focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>
>> What part and why?
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
>>>
>>> Most politicians tell the truth most of the time — all but Trump and George Santos.
>>
>> Are you familiar with Adam Schiff?
>>
>> On June 21, 2023, the House of Representatives censured
>> Schiff in a party-line vote on H.Res. 521, which
>> investigated his role as Chairman of the Intelligence
>> Committee in promoting the "conspiracy theory" that Donald
>> Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 United States
>> presidential election.[91] The resolution established that
>> Schiff misled the American public with "falsehoods,
>> misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information"
>> about the election and as part of the first impeachment of
>> Donald Trump.[92][93] Schiff has denied the allegations,
>> calling them "defamatory".
>>
>>>
>>>> They are not interested in solving any problems
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lies are never lies but "political positions" and
>>>
>>> Sometimes they are obviously lies and it costs them.
>>
>> Not enough.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> He earned it. He richly deserves it. He earned it in spaces even *before* his
>>> insurrection, but the insurrection sealed it for all time. No president who lost
>>> an election ever tried to steal an unearned term as Trump did.
>>
>> Yet he has never been charged with insurrection even though
>> he has been charged with everything else the Dims could
>> think of. He has one conviction which is under appeal.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The entire Democrat party
>>>
>>> There is no such party.
>>
>> Democrat Mob?
>
>No such thing.

Democrat Mob, Democratic mob. Semantics.

>
>>
>> Or the Dims as I call them.
>
>The Nazis as we call you.

And thus you concede the field, since you obviously don't
know what Nazis were.

>
>> Democrats are insane.
>
>No.

That's what I said.

>
>>
>> They are all about votes to put their agenda into law.
>
>No different than any other party.

Not to the same extent.

>
>>
>> These people look at what they have and support those they
>> trust to continue the [erase remaining lies]

Don't selectively clip my post. If you don't like it ignore
it.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> has been focused to one thing to the
>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> That's a lie. But the *political* destruction of Trump is a very high priority
>>> for them, as it should be — as it should be for all right-thinking Americans.
>>
>> Not by my definition of right-thinking.
>
>Your definition is fucked-up wrong.

I disagree.
>
>
>>>
>>>> There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
>>>> involve this goal.
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>
>> They prove it every day.
>
>That's another lie.

Not to anyone one who is paying attention.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> They elected Biden President because he
>>>> is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
>>>> someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
>>>> years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
>>>> especially with a high maintenance family such as his.
>>>
>>> Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $10 million. Nearly all of that was
>>> accumulated in the first few years after leaving the vice presidency, especially
>>> in 2017. He and his wife earned the money honestly. They both had best-selling
>>> books published, and Joe earned very high speaking fees, as former presidents
>>> and vice presidents typically do.
>>
>> Aside from capitalizing on his political history why should
>> anyone be interested?
>
>None of your ignorant business why anyone is interested.