Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...

>>
>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut for
>> the rich that forced middle class families across the country to pay
>> more in taxes. Even poor and working class families saw their taxes
>> go up.
>>
>> Swill
>
> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.

===========
Robert Reich
@RBReich
The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
production and drive up prices.

Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27% of
total inflation in 2021.

When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I mean.

On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources to
>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that allows
>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to collect
>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so... unless
>>>>>>> they really don't...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income was
>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the conclusion
>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding errors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how to
>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts as
>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use that
>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
>>>>>>> taxable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction in
>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan which
>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and any
>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get to
>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore responsibility
>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
>>>>
>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
>>>
>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>> =========
>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
>>>
>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
>>>
>>> ============
>>>
>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
>>> breaks
>>>
>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
>>>
>>
>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
>>
> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
>
Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
Billionaires and what their affiliations are.

On 09 May 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
news:v1k37i$14ka7$6@dont-email.me:

> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
>>>
>>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut for
>>> the rich that forced middle class families across the country to pay
>>> more in taxes. Even poor and working class families saw their taxes
>>> go up.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.
>
>===========
> Robert Reich
> @RBReich
> The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
> production and drive up prices.
>
> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27% of
> total inflation in 2021.
>
> When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I mean.

al�lege
/?'lej/
verb
3rd person present: alleges
claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong,
typically without proof that this is the case.
"he alleged that he had been assaulted"

Biden's team has lied about jobs, the economy, business growth, or more
aptly the absence of it. Try again.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>news:3p3q3j91odmp80k77dk9cl9ssf3t521571@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 12:19:26 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>
>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>>
>>>And faced with irrefutable fact and logic.. he resorts to lying.
>>>
>>
>> Leftists have to lie. The truth is detrimental to their agenda.
>>
>
>Nope.
>============
>Republicans’ Response to Taxing the Rich? Tax the Poor.
>
>GOP Sen. Rick Scott’s new plan would place a new tax on the bottom half
>of income earners in the U.S.
>
>https://truthout.org/articles/republicans-response-to-taxing-the-rich-
>tax-the-poor/
>==========
>
>Why Republicans Love Taxing the Poor
>
>https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/05/why-republicans-love-taxing-the-
>poor.html
>
>===========
>
>And that Flat Tax bullshit is all about taxing the poor.

<LOL> So says the leftist propaganda media, anyway.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1jnig$uila$3@dont-email.me...
> Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
> news:3p3q3j91odmp80k77dk9cl9ssf3t521571@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2024 12:19:26 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>
>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>>
>>>And faced with irrefutable fact and logic.. he resorts to lying.
>>>
>>
>> Leftists have to lie. The truth is detrimental to their agenda.
>>
>
> Nope.
> ============
> Republicans' Response to Taxing the Rich? Tax the Poor.
>
> GOP Sen. Rick Scott's new plan would place a new tax on the bottom half
> of income earners in the U.S.
>
> https://truthout.org/articles/republicans-response-to-taxing-the-rich-
> tax-the-poor/
> ==========
>
> Why Republicans Love Taxing the Poor
>
> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/05/why-republicans-love-taxing-the-
> poor.html
>
> ===========
>
> And that Flat Tax bullshit is all about taxing the poor.

but would also tax the rich.. and everyone would pay the same rate of
taxation. No exemptions, no exclusions, no differences.

Baxter would rather we attempt to discriminate and tax only the middle
class.. because the poor are too poor... the rich are too rich.. and the
middle class can't afford the issues of using the loopholes set up for the
rich.

Baxter hates equality.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v1k37i$14ka7$6@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
>>>
>>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut for
>>> the rich that forced middle class families across the country to pay
>>> more in taxes. Even poor and working class families saw their taxes
>>> go up.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.
>
> ===========
> Robert Reich
> @RBReich
> The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
> production and drive up prices.
>
> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27% of
> total inflation in 2021.

Would that mean that government policies were then responsible for the other
73%?

>
> When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I mean.

Unlike government greed is actually driving inflation. Indeed standard
Governmental monetary policy is to HAVE inflation.

So if it doesn't exist... the government will create it. The problem is that
the government has gotten so good at creating inflation, they now have to
hide just how much of the inflation they are responsible for.

Let's put it this way... right now, the moment a baby is born they are
saddled with $103,142 in debt from the federal government.

Every adult in America pays an average of $17,339 just to pay the interest
on our national debt.

Now ask yourself.. what could YOU do with an extra $17,399 in your annual
income.

Then as if people don't pay enough in taxes and interest, Joe is working to
get the largest budget through Congress, that also includes the largest
deficit in US history and the largest tax increases in US history.

And you wonder why income isn't keeping up with inflation.

We are currently one of the top 10 most indebted nations in the world given
our national debt / GDP ratio... and it only continues to get worse.

It's time to put the government on a mandatory diet and require rational
budget that regularly pay down the National Debt.

Remember.. it's costing each adult an average of $17,339 in interest alone
each year... every year.... and it's only getting worse.

Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1kaih$15v33$1@dont-
email.me:

> On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that
allows
>>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
>>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to collect
>>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so...
unless
>>>>>>>> they really don't...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
>>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
>>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income was
>>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the conclusion
>>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding errors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how to
>>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
>>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
>>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
>>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts as
>>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use that
>>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
>>>>>>>> taxable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction in
>>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
>>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan which
>>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
>>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
>>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and
any
>>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
>>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get
to
>>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
>>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
>>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
>>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore
responsibility
>>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
>>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
>>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
>>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
>>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
>>>>
>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>>> =========
>>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
>>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
>>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
>>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
>>>>
>>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
>>>>
>>>> ============
>>>>
>>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
>>>> breaks
>>>>
>>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-
politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
>>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
>>>
>> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
>>
> Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
> Billionaires and what their affiliations are.
>

IOW, you don't have a reference.

theo <theo__@gmail.com> wrote in news:v1kba8$be0$3@toxic.dizum.net:

> On 09 May 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
> news:v1k37i$14ka7$6@dont-email.me:
>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>>>>
>>>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut for
>>>> the rich that forced middle class families across the country to pay
>>>> more in taxes. Even poor and working class families saw their taxes
>>>> go up.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.
>>
>>===========
>> Robert Reich
>> @RBReich
>> The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
>> production and drive up prices.
>>
>> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27%
of
>> total inflation in 2021.
>>
>> When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I mean.
>
> al�lege
> /?'lej/
> verb
> 3rd person present: alleges
> claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong,
> typically without proof that this is the case.
> "he alleged that he had been assaulted"
>
> Biden's team has lied about jobs, the economy, business growth, or more
> aptly the absence of it. Try again.
>
===============
Robert Reich
@RBReich
Trump asked Big Oil execs to give him $1 billion for his campaign.

He promised lower taxes and a rollback of Biden's climate regulations and
clean energy programs in return.

Trump is literally willing to take bribes in exchange for the destruction
of the planet.

In article <v1lblq$1dbp4$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1kaih$15v33$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
> > On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> >>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
> >>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that
> allows
> >>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
> >>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to collect
> >>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so...
> unless
> >>>>>>>> they really don't...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
> >>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
> >>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income was
> >>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the conclusion
> >>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding errors.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how to
> >>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
> >>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
> >>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
> >>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts as
> >>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use that
> >>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
> >>>>>>>> taxable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction in
> >>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
> >>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan which
> >>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
> >>>>>>>> taxes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
> >>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and
> any
> >>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
> >>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get
> to
> >>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
> >>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
> >>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
> >>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
> >>>>>>>> anyway.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore
> responsibility
> >>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
> >>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
> >>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
> >>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
> >>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
> >>>>
> >>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
> >>>> =========
> >>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
> >>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
> >>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
> >>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
> >>>>
> >>>> ============
> >>>>
> >>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
> >>>> breaks
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-
> politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
> >>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
> >>>
> >> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
> >>
> > Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
> > Billionaires and what their affiliations are.
> >
>
> IOW, you don't have a reference.

He just gave you one you lazy fuck.

In article <v1lbsv$1dbp4$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> theo <theo__@gmail.com> wrote in news:v1kba8$be0$3@toxic.dizum.net:
>
> > On 09 May 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
> > news:v1k37i$14ka7$6@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
> >>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut for
> >>>> the rich that forced middle class families across the country to pay
> >>>> more in taxes. Even poor and working class families saw their taxes
> >>>> go up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Swill
> >>>
> >>> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.
> >>
> >>===========
> >> Robert Reich
> >> @RBReich
> >> The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
> >> production and drive up prices.
> >>
> >> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27%
> of
> >> total inflation in 2021.
> >>
> >> When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I mean.
> >
> > al·lege
> > /?'lej/
> > verb
> > 3rd person present: alleges
> > claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong,
> > typically without proof that this is the case.
> > "he alleged that he had been assaulted"
> >
> > Biden's team has lied about jobs, the economy, business growth, or more
> > aptly the absence of it. Try again.
> >
> ===============
> Robert Reich
> @RBReich
> Trump asked Big Oil execs to give him $1 billion for his campaign.
>
> He promised lower taxes and a rollback of Biden's climate regulations and
> clean energy programs in return.
>
> Trump is literally willing to take bribes in exchange for the destruction
> of the planet.

BUTWHATABOUT!

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:44:47 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> theo <theo__@gmail.com> wrote in news:v1kba8$be0$3@toxic.dizum.net:
>
> > On 09 May 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
> > news:v1k37i$14ka7$6@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:663d433b$0$2363143$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <4d6q3jlp40qu9md9t0khkt2v79m6fis84t@4ax.com>,
> >>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then why do you support Trump? His TCJA in 2017 was a tax cut
> >>>> for the rich that forced middle class families across the
> >>>> country to pay more in taxes. Even poor and working class
> >>>> families saw their taxes go up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Swill
> >>>
> >>> Yet nothing about inflation and prices today.
> >>
> >>===========
> >> Robert Reich
> >> @RBReich
> >> The FTC alleges that a major US oil exec colluded with OPEC to cut
> >> production and drive up prices.
> >>
> >> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to
> >> 27%
> of
> >> total inflation in 2021.
> >>
> >> When I say corporate greed is driving inflation, this is what I
> >> mean.
> >
> > al_lege
> > /?'lej/
> > verb
> > 3rd person present: alleges
> > claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong,
> > typically without proof that this is the case.
> > "he alleged that he had been assaulted"
> >
> > Biden's team has lied about jobs, the economy, business growth, or
> > more aptly the absence of it. Try again.
> >
> ===============
> Robert Reich
> @RBReich
> Trump asked Big Oil execs to give him $1 billion for his campaign.

Excelente!

> He promised lower taxes and a rollback of Biden's climate regulations
> and clean energy programs in return.

Even better!
> Trump is literally willing to take bribes in exchange for the
> destruction of the planet.

No, that's Xiden's program - no more gas water heaters or stoves,
clownshow.

FUCKING STARVE TO DEATH YOU LEFTARDED GREASEBALL!

On Fri, 10 May 2024 03:10:42 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> Research found that Big Oil price fixing may have contributed to 27%
> of total inflation in 2021.

NO citation at all!

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:51:44 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> GOP Sen. Rick Scott_s new plan would place a new tax on the bottom
> half of income earners in the U.S.

Uniparty flak, a carven demotard in R guise.

Dismissed!

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:42:49 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> > Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
> >
> They don't.

Yes they do, liar.

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-being-party-rich-could-cost-them-2024-election-1806747

Democrats Being Party of the Rich Could Cost Them 2024 Election

Democrat Joe Biden benefitted from major contributions from affluent donors in industries like big tech and finance. In the final six months of his campaign, nearly $200 million of his war chest had come from donors giving six figures or more.

It was a notable shift for a party counting figures like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who had long raged against the excesses of the country's wealthiest 1 percent. But other observers were less than surprised, seeing it as a natural conclusion for a shift in the party's rhetoric that began in the early 1990s.

By the 2010s, polling showed Democratic candidates' electoral appeal
among affluent voters had reached above-majority levels. When voters
went to the polls in the 2020 election, Biden would outperform
Clinton's performance among the nation's most affluent voters by six
points and would dominate Trump's returns among upper-middle-class
voters by double-digit margins.

On Thu, 9 May 2024 14:59:16 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
> Senatorial Committee,

Is a scumsucking Uniparty RINO traitor - period.

On 5/10/2024 9:40 AM, Baxter wrote:
> Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1kaih$15v33$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that
> allows
>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
>>>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to collect
>>>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so...
> unless
>>>>>>>>> they really don't...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
>>>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
>>>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income was
>>>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the conclusion
>>>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding errors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how to
>>>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
>>>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
>>>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
>>>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts as
>>>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use that
>>>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
>>>>>>>>> taxable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction in
>>>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
>>>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan which
>>>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
>>>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
>>>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and
> any
>>>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
>>>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get
> to
>>>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
>>>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
>>>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
>>>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore
> responsibility
>>>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
>>>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
>>>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
>>>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
>>>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
>>>>>
>>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>>>> =========
>>>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
>>>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
>>>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
>>>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
>>>>>
>>>>> ============
>>>>>
>>>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
>>>>> breaks
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-
> politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
>>>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
>>>>
>>> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
>>>
>> Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
>> Billionaires and what their affiliations are.
>>
>
> IOW, you don't have a reference.

Apparently you are housebound and cannot drop by the library to read the
current Forbes or other Business media. Perhaps you could remove your
ignorant ass from the Newsgroups long enough to read the Forbes or other
financial magazines on net?

Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1nap7$1uk8n$1@dont-
email.me:

> On 5/10/2024 9:40 AM, Baxter wrote:
>> Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1kaih$15v33$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-
email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
>>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that
>> allows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
>>>>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to
collect
>>>>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so...
>> unless
>>>>>>>>>> they really don't...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
>>>>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
>>>>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income
was
>>>>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the
conclusion
>>>>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding
errors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how
to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
>>>>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
>>>>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
>>>>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts
as
>>>>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use
that
>>>>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
>>>>>>>>>> taxable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction
in
>>>>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
>>>>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan
which
>>>>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
>>>>>>>>>> taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
>>>>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and
>> any
>>>>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
>>>>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
>>>>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
>>>>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
>>>>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore
>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
>>>>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
>>>>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
>>>>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
>>>>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
>>>>>> =========
>>>>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
>>>>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
>>>>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
>>>>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-
>> politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
>>>>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
>>>>>
>>>> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
>>>>
>>> Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
>>> Billionaires and what their affiliations are.
>>>
>>
>> IOW, you don't have a reference.
>
> Apparently you are housebound and cannot drop by the library to read
the
> current Forbes or other Business media. Perhaps you could remove your
> ignorant ass from the Newsgroups long enough to read the Forbes or
other
> financial magazines on net?
>
>
And while I'm at it I should read the encyclopaedia - and every other
book and magazine in the library to satisfy you?! You made a claim that
you can't back up.

In article <v1o0e9$234sp$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1nap7$1uk8n$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
> > On 5/10/2024 9:40 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >> Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote in news:v1kaih$15v33$1@dont-
> >> email.me:
> >>
> >>> On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
> >>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in news:v1irbv$o1es$1@dont-
> email.me:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 5/9/2024 10:59 AM, Baxter wrote:
> >>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:v1icoj$koo3$4@dont- email.me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:v1glnl$5bd7$1@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:v1gbqr$2vqn$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2024 11:31 AM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>> news:v1g32h$s58$3@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:v1frha$3un8u$4@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-08, Scout
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, until now, the IRS doesn't have the money/resources
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> go after the uber rich.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Horse shit.... they have always had the resources to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is the tax code is written in a manner that
> >> allows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich to bypass most taxation which naturally they take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> full advantage of.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And you're wrong - it takes manpower and court time to
> collect
> >>>>>>>>>>> from the uber rich.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yea, and look at how much they stand to get by doing so...
> >> unless
> >>>>>>>>>> they really don't...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> See my mom was regularly audited so much we had rules, one of
> >>>>>>>>>> which was we couldn't laugh at the auditor.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I remember the largest error she ever made.. after a 4.5 hour
> >>>>>>>>>> audit and finding out that the majority of the family income
> was
> >>>>>>>>>> deemed legally non-taxable.. they finally reached the
> conclusion
> >>>>>>>>>> she had over paid by 4 cents due to cumulative rounding
> errors.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> She ran a tax service and knew the tax code loopholes on how
> to
> >>>>>>>>>> avoid paying unnecessary income tax.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, yea, most of the very rich pay very little to nothing in
> >>>>>>>>>> income tax because they have little to no taxable income...
> >>>>>>>>>> despite how much they might make on paper.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For example. Say I own a large block of stock in a major
> >>>>>>>>>> company.. now if I sell it to buy a house or such.. it counts
> as
> >>>>>>>>>> income and becomes taxable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> HOWEVER if I use that stock as security for a loan and use
> that
> >>>>>>>>>> loan for my expenses.. well that generates a debt and isn't
> >>>>>>>>>> taxable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yet they have millions to spend.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then they get to use the interest on that loan as a deduction
> in
> >>>>>>>>>> the future taxable income. When they get income that would be
> >>>>>>>>>> taxable.. they simply dump it into repayment of their loan
> which
> >>>>>>>>>> makes reduces/eliminates your 'income' and again you pay no
> >>>>>>>>>> taxes.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yea, the IRS doesn't go after the rich, because it's not worth
> >>>>>>>>>> it. Because the rich use the rules to exclude their money and
> >> any
> >>>>>>>>>> generation of wealth from being taxable income.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Further they pay a fix fee each year to cover all their legal
> >>>>>>>>>> issues so if the IRS or anyone else comes after them. they get
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>> talk to the lawyers endlessly because it doesn't cost the rich
> >>>>>>>>>> person one extra cent for running the IRS through court and
> >>>>>>>>>> motions and such like until the cows come home.. and end the
> >>>>>>>>>> end.. they will probably find out there was no taxable income
> >>>>>>>>>> anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yet Google sez: "The top 10 percent of earners bore
> >> responsibility
> >>>>>>>>> for 76 percent of all income taxes paid, and the top 25 percent
> >>>>>>>>> paid 89 percent of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50
> >>>>>>>>> percent of filers earned 90 percent of all income and were
> >>>>>>>>> responsible for 98 percent of all income taxes paid in 2021."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The rich SHOULD be the ones paying the taxes. When income taxes
> >>>>>>>> were first enacted, they applied ONLY to the rich.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yep and now we are all among "the rich".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And the conservative mantra is "tax the poor"
> >>>>>> =========
> >>>>>> Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the head of the National Republican
> >>>>>> Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue
> >>>>>> America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some
> >>>>>> form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://rescueamerica.com/11-point-plan/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ============
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and BTW, the Repugs are lining their own pockets with those tax
> >>>>>> breaks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-
> >> politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans
> >>>>>> -tax-cuts- congress-profits
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
> >>>>>
> >>>> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
> >>>>
> >>> Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
> >>> Billionaires and what their affiliations are.
> >>>
> >>
> >> IOW, you don't have a reference.
> >
> > Apparently you are housebound and cannot drop by the library to read
> the
> > current Forbes or other Business media. Perhaps you could remove your
> > ignorant ass from the Newsgroups long enough to read the Forbes or
> other
> > financial magazines on net?
> >
> >
> And while I'm at it I should read the encyclopaedia - and every other
> book and magazine in the library to satisfy you?! You made a claim that
> you can't back up.

On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:47:37 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> And while I'm at it I should read the encyclopaedia
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:40:58 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> IOW, you don't have a reference.

https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

On Wed, 8 May 2024 20:01:58 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> they applied ONLY to
https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

Visa Overstays
While the government grants over a million green cards each year that provide permanent residence status, most visas issued are temporary in nature (i..e. nonimmigrant visas) and specify a period of time the alien may stay in the United States. For example, typical tourist or business visas (B1/B2 visa) permit aliens to stay in the U.S. no longer than six months in a given year. If an alien stays beyond that period, he or she falls “out of status.”

Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of illegal aliens in the U.S. consists of aliens overstaying their visas. While estimates have varied over the years, recent numbers suggest that visa overstays account for as much as 40 percent of the illegal alien population. According to the most recent data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, in Fiscal Year 2022, nearly 854,000 nonimmigrant visitors violated the terms of their visas and overstayed in the United States.[1] Over the past four years, the total rate of visa overstays (as a proportion of those expected to depart) has increased, up from 1.21 percent in Fiscal Year 2019 to 3.67 percent in Fiscal Year 2022.[2]

In addition to visa overstayers, aliens who do not require a visa or arrive from Visa Waiver Program (VWP) countries also overstay the allowed time. VWP nationals visiting the U.S. on business or pleasure in Fiscal Year 2022 accounted for nearly 100,000 overstays.

Size and Cost of Illegal Alien Population
FAIR estimates that at least 16.8 million illegal aliens resided in the
United States as of June 2023.[3] Illegal aliens impose significant
costs on U.S. taxpayers – ranging from shelter, health care,
educational benefits, welfare and tax credits, and incarceration costs.
At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for United
States taxpayers – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at
least $150.7 billion.[4]

Fast Facts
There are at least 16.8 million illegal aliens in the United States as of the beginning of 2023.[5]
In Fiscal Year 2023, a record 3.2 million encounters with illegal aliens were recorded at America’s borders.
The majority of illegal aliens are from Latin and Central America. The most commonly encountered nations of origin for illegal immigrants encountered in Fiscal Year 2023 included Mexico, Venezuela, Guatemala, Honduras and Cuba.
Between Fiscal Year 2022-2023, there was a 60 percent increase in illegal aliens encountered in family units.
In Fiscal Year 2023 alone, nearly 138,000 unaccompanied children were encountered at our borders. That is an average of 378 per day.
In Fiscal Year 2022, there were 853,955 overstays, at a rate of 3.67 percent of all visitors.
For nonimmigrants who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa) in Fiscal Year 2022, the overstay rate was 3.5 percent. More than 9,000 Chinese nonimmigrants overstayed, accounting for more than 16% of all student and exchange overstays reported.
Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $182.1
billion annually as of the beginning of 2023. Illegal aliens only
contribute around $31.4 billion in taxes at the state and federal
levels, meaning that illegal immigration costs American taxpayers a net
of at least $150.7 billion annually.[6]

On Fri, 10 May 2024 05:28:41 -0000 (UTC), theo <theo__@gmail.com> wrote:

>Trump's team has lied about jobs, the economy, business growth, or more
>aptly the absence of it. Try again.

I fixed that error you made.

You're welcome! Anytime!

Swill
--
Trump cites FBI stats to prove crime going down, 2019
<https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/crime-down-does-president-trump-deserve-credit>

Trump dismisses FBI stats that prove crime is going down, 2024

<https://people.com/fact-check-trump-false-claims-crime-rates-8624660>

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

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On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:16:30 -0500, Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

>On 5/9/2024 6:42 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote
<snip>
>>> Tell us why most billionaires support democrats.
>>>
>> They don't. What ever gave you that idea?!
>>
>Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
>Billionaires and what their affiliations are.

Since the economy generally does better during Democratic administrations, it's no
surprise that they would support them.

Swill
--
Trump cites FBI stats to prove crime going down, 2019
<https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/crime-down-does-president-trump-deserve-credit>

Trump dismisses FBI stats that prove crime is going down, 2024

<https://people.com/fact-check-trump-false-claims-crime-rates-8624660>

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:16:30 -0500, Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

>Maybe you should read Forbes Magazine with its list of all American
>Billionaires and what their affiliations are.

"Economic performance is stronger when Democrats hold the White House "
<https://www.epi.org/publication/econ-performance-pres-admin/>

"Economists Agree: Democratic Presidents are Better at Making Us Rich. Eight Reasons Why."
<https://evonomics.com/economists-agree-democratic-presidents-better-making-us-rich-eight-reasons/>

"In fact, a recent paper by economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson states: “The
superiority of economic performance under Democrats rather than Republicans is nearly
ubiquitous; it holds almost regardless of how you define success.” Fact-checking groups
have investigated similar statements and have found time and time again that they are
true. Moreover, past research shows that stock market returns are also higher under
Democrats."
<https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6/the-economy-under-democratic-vs-republican-presidents>

"Despite conventional wisdom that Republicans help U.S. economy, it always does better
under Democrats."
<https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article281641483.html>

"Mar 1, 2024 — Truman had a saying, “If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a
Democrat.” Democratic Presidents Have Better Economic Performances than Republican Ones
The facts are clear when it comes to real wage gains or job creation."
<https://washingtonmonthly.com/2024/03/01/democratic-presidents-have-better-economic-performance-than-republican-ones/>

"We have heard much about the puzzle that US economic performance under President Joe
Biden has been much stronger than voters perceive it to be. But the current episode is
just one instance of a bigger historical puzzle: the US economy has since World War II
consistently done better under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents."
<https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/historical-puzzle-us-economic-performance-under-democrats-vs-republicans>

"Since World War II, the United States economy has performed significantly better on
average under the administration of Democratic presidents than Republican presidents.<
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party>

More at
<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=is+the+economy+better+under+democrats#ip=1>

Swill
--
Trump cites FBI stats to prove crime going down, 2019
<https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/crime-down-does-president-trump-deserve-credit>

Trump dismisses FBI stats that prove crime is going down, 2024

<https://people.com/fact-check-trump-false-claims-crime-rates-8624660>

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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On Fri, 10 May 2024 03:37:43 -0400, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:51:44 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<snip>
>>Republicans’ Response to Taxing the Rich? Tax the Poor.
>>
>>GOP Sen. Rick Scott’s new plan would place a new tax on the bottom half
>>of income earners in the U.S.
>>
>>https://truthout.org/articles/republicans-response-to-taxing-the-rich-
>>tax-the-poor/
>>==========
>>
>>Why Republicans Love Taxing the Poor
>>
>>https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/05/why-republicans-love-taxing-the-
>>poor.html
>>
>>===========
>>
>>And that Flat Tax bullshit is all about taxing the poor.
>
>
><LOL> So says the leftist propaganda media, anyway.

So say the facts.

Swill
--
Trump cites FBI stats to prove crime going down, 2019
<https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/crime-down-does-president-trump-deserve-credit>

Trump dismisses FBI stats that prove crime is going down, 2024

<https://people.com/fact-check-trump-false-claims-crime-rates-8624660>

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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