On 10/05/2024 7:49 am, Robert wrote:
> On May 9, 2024, servant wrote
> (in article<663d2f26$0$2775$1c4686b2@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>):
>
>> Amen and amen again. The 2000 year christian witnesss declares bing "born
>> again" and becoming christian in baptism.
>
> Sadly what this person is totally unaware of is that not one person is made a
> Christian by water baptism.

Ultimately, anyway, if a man is not baptized into Christ, spiritually,
that person is not His. Is the "old man" baptized into Christ? Yet many
sinner Christians walk in the "old man" and claim otherwise.

And water baptism, is it of literal water, or is it through the washing
of the Word?

And what if you have been washed clean? What then?

Luke 5:38  But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.

John 2:9  When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine, and knew not whence it was [of course, because it is of God]: (but
the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast
called the bridegroom,

John 2:10  And saith unto him, Every man [with man] at the beginning
doth set forth good wine [deceit]; and when men have well drunk [being
deceived], then that which is worse [the end of the matter with man]:
but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The earlier wine was the written word (still separation from God), but
the latter rain is the new wine, which is the Lord from heaven and is
now (the indwelling of His Holy Spirit), the new man.

Michael Christ

> No where is scripture is that taught.
>
> “But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy
> heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt
> confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that
> God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart
> man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
> salvation.” (Rom 10:8-10, KJV)
>
> This too is the vital part of salvation, this is the baptism Paul speaks of,
> and that is of the Holy Spirit.
>
> “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit
> of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
> of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the
> Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Rom 8:9-10, KJV)
>
> Therein is the death one is baptized into.
>
>>
>>
>> Paul in Romans:
>>
>> 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
>> baptized into his death?
>>
>> 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by
>> baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by
>> the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
>
> Rom 6:5 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his
> death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
>
> Rom 6:6 (KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
> body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
>
> Rebirth is spiritual, not physical at this time.
>
> Eph 5:25b (KJV) even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
> it;
>
> Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
> water by the word,
>
> Eph 5:27 (KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
> having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
> without blemish.
>
> Notice; word, not water.
>
>>
>>
>> Acts
>>
>> 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
>> eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
>>
>> 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
>> And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
>
> Even here is proof of that fact, that water baptism saves no one. Yet the
> poster never reads this with understanding.
> Anyone reading this scripture can see that Philip said that there was a
> prerequisite to being water baptized.
> Water Baptism was and is a symbolic public statement of ones commitment to
> Christ.
>>
>> 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down
>> both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
>
> Furthermore, no one can deny this statement made by Peter, which spoke or
> those that were saved, and filled with the spirit of God, then receive a
> baptism of water as did Philip.
>
> Act 10:44 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all
> them which heard the word.
>
> Act 10:45 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
> as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
> the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>
> Act 10:46 (KJV) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
> answered Peter,
>
> Act 10:47 (KJV) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
> which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
>
> Act 10:48 (KJV) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
> Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
>
> Baptism is not synonymous with water.
>
>

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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
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