"Functional information is
ubiquitous throughout the
biological world, but there
is no evolutionary origin
for functional information."
~ Biological fact

On 5/8/2024 10:49 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological world,
> but there is no evolutionary origin for functional information."
>      ~ Biological fact
>

Andrew,

You can't even define the terms that you are using. Do you understand
that DNA is a molecule?

Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1h1it$81t5$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> "Functional information is
>> ubiquitous throughout the
>> biological world, but there
>> is no evolutionary origin
>> for functional information."
>> ~ Biological fact
>
> Andrew,
>
> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>
> Dawn

DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
*information* for the synthesis of all living things.

The molecule with the specified information therein
could only have originated from an intelligent source
that had a plan and purpose for originating it.

We wouldn't be here without it.

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:4oW_N.79659$kMLb.77694
@fx01.ams4:

> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1h1it$81t5$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> "Functional information is
>>> ubiquitous throughout the
>>> biological world, but there
>>> is no evolutionary origin
>>> for functional information."
>>> ~ Biological fact
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>
>> Dawn
>
> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>
> The molecule with the specified information therein
> could only have originated from an intelligent source
> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.

So wll viruses - polio, smallpox, measles -
were created by this intelligent source for a
purpose.

What purpose was that?

On 5/10/2024 10:25 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1ljot$1f46d$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological
>>>>> world, but there is no evolutionary origin for functional
>>>>> information."
>>>>> ~ Biological fact
>>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>>>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
>>> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>>>
>>> The molecule with the specified information therein
>>> could only have originated from an intelligent source
>>> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.
>>>
>>> We wouldn't be here without it.
>>
>> DNA and RNA are very special molecules in that they can replicate
>> themselves, but the "information" that you are referring to is just
>> sequences of various molecules.
>
> It is in a quaternary digital code format which.is composed of four
> building blocks that are called
> 'nucleotides'.
> The four nucleotides found in DNA are adenine cytosine..guanine, and
> thymine, The genetie recipe written in this code, determines the precise
> make
> up of every single living thing. And that includes
> Dawn Flood.
>
> An estimated 6 to 7 billion nucleotide pairs make
> up the genetic content of each diploid human cell.
>
> For more information on how this code is used
> by our most awesome and wonderful Creator to
> synthesize all living things, please look up . . . . .
>
>        -----> "The Central Dogma"
>
> Here you will learn how this vital code in DNA is used to make each
> specific protein for living things.
>
> No code  -  no life.
>
> No Intelligent Agent  -  no code.
>
> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>
> Our Creator.
>
>> Are you saying that some "intelligent agent" was needed to arrange
>> such molecules in a particular order?
>
> Oh yes! Most definitely.
> Like I just stated.
>
> No code  -  no life.
>
> No Intelligent Agent  -  no code.
>
> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>
> Our Creator.
>
>> I have asked you this before, and I will ask you it again, "Why has
>> the number of minerals increased on our World over time?"  Instead,
>> why hasn't the number of minerals remained constant over time??  Why
>> is causing new minerals to appear over the geological record???
>
> At times scientists will discover a new element
> which will be added to the periodic table.
>

Andrew,

Here are the letters of DNA and their corresponding chemical formulas,
which is easily obtainable on the Internet:

Adenine ('A') -- C5H5N5
Cytosine ('C') -- C4H5N3O
Guanine ('G') -- C5H5N5O
Thymine ('T') -- C5H6N2O2

As for the chemical elements, there are but 92 naturally occurring ones;
the last naturally one, Promethium, was discovered in 1945 after being
synthesized.

Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1s3l0$38nqf$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological
>>>>>> world, but there is no evolutionary origin for functional
>>>>>> information." ~ Biological fact
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>>>>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
>>>> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>>>>
>>>> The molecule with the specified information therein
>>>> could only have originated from an intelligent source
>>>> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.
>>>>
>>>> We wouldn't be here without it.
>>>
>>> DNA and RNA are very special molecules in that they can replicate
>>> themselves, but the "information" that you are referring to is just
>>> sequences of various molecules.
>>
>> It is in a quaternary digital code format which.is composed of four
>> building blocks that are called
>> 'nucleotides'.
>> The four nucleotides found in DNA are adenine cytosine..guanine, and
>> thymine, The genetie recipe written in this code, determines the precise
>> make
>> up of every single living thing. And that includes
>> Dawn Flood.
>>
>> An estimated 6 to 7 billion nucleotide pairs make
>> up the genetic content of each diploid human cell.
>>
>> For more information on how this code is used
>> by our most awesome and wonderful Creator to
>> synthesize all living things, please look up . . . . .
>>
>> -----> "The Central Dogma"
>>
>> Here you will learn how this vital code in DNA is used to make each
>> specific protein for living things.
>>
>> No code - no life.
>>
>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>
>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>
>> Our Creator.
>>
>>> Are you saying that some "intelligent agent" was needed to arrange
>>> such molecules in a particular order?
>>
>> Oh yes! Most definitely.
>> Like I just stated.
>>
>> No code - no life.
>>
>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>
>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>
>> Our Creator.
>>
>>> I have asked you this before, and I will ask you it again, "Why has
>>> the number of minerals increased on our World over time?" Instead,
>>> why hasn't the number of minerals remained constant over time?? Why
>>> is causing new minerals to appear over the geological record???
>>
>> At times scientists will discover a new element
>> which will be added to the periodic table.
>>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Here are the letters of DNA and their corresponding chemical formulas,
> which is easily obtainable on the Internet:

Good job, Dawn!
> Adenine ('A') -- C5H5N5
> Cytosine ('C') -- C4H5N3O
> Guanine ('G') -- C5H5N5O
> Thymine ('T') -- C5H6N2O2

Which make up the quaternary code
for the synthesis of all living things.

The prime origin of which had to
have been some Intelligent Agent.

Powerful evidence for our most
awesome and wonderful Creator.

The living God.

Thanks Dawn?

Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1s3l0$38nqf$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological
>>>>>>> world, but there is no evolutionary origin for functional
>>>>>>> information."          ~ Biological fact
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>>>>>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
>>>>> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The molecule with the specified information therein
>>>>> could only have originated from an intelligent source
>>>>> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We wouldn't be here without it.
>>>>
>>>> DNA and RNA are very special molecules in that they can replicate
>>>> themselves, but the "information" that you are referring to is just
>>>> sequences of various molecules.
>>>
>>> It is in a quaternary digital code format which.is composed of four
>>> building blocks that are called
>>> 'nucleotides'.
>>> The four nucleotides found in DNA are adenine cytosine..guanine, and
>>> thymine, The genetie recipe written in this code, determines the
>>> precise make
>>> up of every single living thing. And that includes
>>> Dawn Flood.
>>>
>>> An estimated 6 to 7 billion nucleotide pairs make
>>> up the genetic content of each diploid human cell.
>>>
>>> For more information on how this code is used
>>> by our most awesome and wonderful Creator to
>>> synthesize all living things, please look up . . . . .
>>>
>>>  -----> "The Central Dogma"
>>>
>>> Here you will learn how this vital code in DNA is used to make each
>>> specific protein for living things.
>>>
>>> No code - no life.
>>>
>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>
>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>
>>> Our Creator.
>>>
>>>> Are you saying that some "intelligent agent" was needed to arrange
>>>> such molecules in a particular order?
>>>
>>> Oh yes! Most definitely.
>>> Like I just stated.
>>>
>>> No code - no life.
>>>
>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>
>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>
>>> Our Creator.
>>>
>>>> I have asked you this before, and I will ask you it again, "Why has
>>>> the number of minerals increased on our World over time?" Instead,
>>>> why hasn't the number of minerals remained constant over time?? Why
>>>> is causing new minerals to appear over the geological record???
>>>
>>> At times scientists will discover a new element
>>> which will be added to the periodic table.
>>>
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Here are the letters of DNA and their corresponding chemical
>> formulas, which is easily obtainable on the Internet:
>
> Good job, Dawn!
>
>> Adenine ('A') -- C5H5N5
>> Cytosine ('C') -- C4H5N3O
>> Guanine ('G') -- C5H5N5O
>> Thymine ('T') -- C5H6N2O2
>
> Which make up the quaternary code for the synthesis of all living things.
>
> The prime origin of which had to
> have been some Intelligent Agent.
>
> Powerful evidence for our most
> awesome and wonderful Creator.

the one who created every disease and malady known to man? that 'awesome
and wonderful' Creator?

>
> The living God.
>
> Thanks Dawn?

--
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"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

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On 5/13/24 5:23 AM, Andrew wrote:
>"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1s3l0$38nqf$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological
>>>>>>> world, but there is no evolutionary origin for functional
>>>>>>> information." ~ Biological fact
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>>>>>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
>>>>> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The molecule with the specified information therein
>>>>> could only have originated from an intelligent source
>>>>> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We wouldn't be here without it.
>>>>
>>>> DNA and RNA are very special molecules in that they can replicate
>>>> themselves, but the "information" that you are referring to is just
>>>> sequences of various molecules.
>>>
>>> It is in a quaternary digital code format which.is composed of four
>>> building blocks that are called
>>> 'nucleotides'.
>>> The four nucleotides found in DNA are adenine cytosine..guanine, and
>>> thymine, The genetie recipe written in this code, determines the precise
>>> make
>>> up of every single living thing. And that includes
>>> Dawn Flood.
>>>
>>> An estimated 6 to 7 billion nucleotide pairs make
>>> up the genetic content of each diploid human cell.
>>>
>>> For more information on how this code is used
>>> by our most awesome and wonderful Creator to
>>> synthesize all living things, please look up . . . . .
>>>
>>> -----> "The Central Dogma"
>>>
>>> Here you will learn how this vital code in DNA is used to make each
>>> specific protein for living things.
>>>
>>> No code - no life.
>>>
>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>
>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>
>>> Our Creator.
>>>
>>>> Are you saying that some "intelligent agent" was needed to arrange
>>>> such molecules in a particular order?
>>>
>>> Oh yes! Most definitely.
>>> Like I just stated.
>>>
>>> No code - no life.
>>>
>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>
>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>
>>> Our Creator.
>>>
>>>> I have asked you this before, and I will ask you it again, "Why has
>>>> the number of minerals increased on our World over time?" Instead,
>>>> why hasn't the number of minerals remained constant over time?? Why
>>>> is causing new minerals to appear over the geological record???
>>>
>>> At times scientists will discover a new element
>>> which will be added to the periodic table.
>>>
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Here are the letters of DNA and their corresponding chemical formulas,
>> which is easily obtainable on the Internet:
>
>Good job, Dawn!
>
>> Adenine ('A') -- C5H5N5
>> Cytosine ('C') -- C4H5N3O
>> Guanine ('G') -- C5H5N5O
>> Thymine ('T') -- C5H6N2O2
>
>Which make up the quaternary code
>for the synthesis of all living things.
>
>The prime origin of which had to
>have been some Intelligent Agent.
>
>Powerful evidence for our most
>awesome and wonderful Creator.
>
>The living God.
>
>Thanks Dawn?

Andrew,

Just to clarify, are you claiming that every chemical compound that is newly
synthesized is the result of an intelligent agent? If so, is God
responsible for the appearance of new mineral species?

Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v1thgs$3j50l$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>>"Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological
>>>>>>>> world, but there is no evolutionary origin for functional
>>>>>>>> information." ~ Biological fact
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can't even define the terms that you are using.
>>>>>>> Do you understand that DNA is a molecule?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DNA is a molecule that has a purpose to carry the
>>>>>> *information* for the synthesis of all living things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The molecule with the specified information therein
>>>>>> could only have originated from an intelligent source
>>>>>> that had a plan and purpose for originating it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We wouldn't be here without it.
>>>>>
>>>>> DNA and RNA are very special molecules in that they can replicate
>>>>> themselves, but the "information" that you are referring to is just
>>>>> sequences of various molecules.
>>>>
>>>> It is in a quaternary digital code format which.is composed of four
>>>> building blocks that are called
>>>> 'nucleotides'.
>>>> The four nucleotides found in DNA are adenine cytosine..guanine, and
>>>> thymine, The genetie recipe written in this code, determines the precise
>>>> make
>>>> up of every single living thing. And that includes
>>>> Dawn Flood.
>>>>
>>>> An estimated 6 to 7 billion nucleotide pairs make
>>>> up the genetic content of each diploid human cell.
>>>>
>>>> For more information on how this code is used
>>>> by our most awesome and wonderful Creator to
>>>> synthesize all living things, please look up . . . . .
>>>>
>>>> -----> "The Central Dogma"
>>>>
>>>> Here you will learn how this vital code in DNA is used to make each
>>>> specific protein for living things.
>>>>
>>>> No code - no life.
>>>>
>>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>>
>>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>>
>>>> Our Creator.
>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that some "intelligent agent" was needed to arrange
>>>>> such molecules in a particular order?
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes! Most definitely.
>>>> Like I just stated.
>>>>
>>>> No code - no life.
>>>>
>>>> No Intelligent Agent - no code.
>>>>
>>>> Who is this Intelligent Agent?
>>>>
>>>> Our Creator.
>>>>
>>>>> I have asked you this before, and I will ask you it again, "Why has
>>>>> the number of minerals increased on our World over time?" Instead,
>>>>> why hasn't the number of minerals remained constant over time?? Why
>>>>> is causing new minerals to appear over the geological record???
>>>>
>>>> At times scientists will discover a new element
>>>> which will be added to the periodic table.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> Here are the letters of DNA and their corresponding chemical formulas,
>>> which is easily obtainable on the Internet:
>>
>>Good job, Dawn!
>>
>>> Adenine ('A') -- C5H5N5
>>> Cytosine ('C') -- C4H5N3O
>>> Guanine ('G') -- C5H5N5O
>>> Thymine ('T') -- C5H6N2O2
>>
>>Which make up the quaternary code
>>for the synthesis of all living things.
>>
>>The prime origin of which had to
>>have been some Intelligent Agent.
>>
>>Powerful evidence for our most
>>awesome and wonderful Creator.
>>
>>The living God.
>>
>>Thanks Dawn?
>
> Andrew,
>
> Just to clarify, are you claiming that every chemical compound
> that is newly synthesized is the result of an intelligent agent?

No. I claim that biological information that exists
in digital code format had to have originated from
an intelligent source.

It is modified by evolutionary pressures, but did not
originate by them.

Got it?

On 5/8/24 11:49, Andrew wrote:
> "Functional information is ubiquitous throughout the biological world,
> but there is no evolutionary origin for functional information."
>      ~ Biological fact
>
>
>

Here's a puzzle for you. Imagine the following two lists of
DNA sequences are taken from two samples of the same species
at different times or different places. Which set of sequences
has more information?

First set: GATTACA GATTACA GATTACA GATTACA GATTACA GATAACA
(5 copies of GATTACA, 1 of GATAACA)

Second set: GATTACA GATTACA GATTACA GATAACA GATAACA GATACCA
(3 copies of GATTACA, 2 of GATAACA, 1 of GATACCA)

--
David Canzi

"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the
last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened
but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit it is the first."
Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_