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* "deep state" vs "the swamp"J Carlson
`- Re: "deep state" vs "the swamp"Lil dwarf Rudey

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Subject: "deep state" vs "the swamp"
From: J Carlson
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That stupid fucking neo-Nazi lying troll Andrea W lately has been trying to say
that the "deep state" is the same as systemic corruption. That's *false*.

Frenzied irrational right-wingnuts — and *only* right-wingnuts — who blabber
about the "deep state" are not talking about corruption. They're talking about a
sinister, organized and concerted effort by civil servants deep in the federal
bureaucracy to thwart the policy goals of the president — of *one* president,
Orange Fat Fuck Trump. No one ever blabbered about "deep state" before Trump,
and certainly no president did. That conception of "deep state" is a myth. There
is not and never was such a "deep state" working in a coordinated way to thwart
a president's policy goals.

The systemic corruption that the neo-Nazi lying troll Andrea W is misidentifying
as the "deep state" is actually what everyone else calls "the swamp," which
Orange Fat Fuck Trump lied and said he was going to drain. He did not drain the
swamp — he *grew* the swamp. Trump and his family personally engaged in and
profited from systemic corruption. When foreign agents stayed at Trump's
Washington DC hotel in order to lobby Trump and loudly made it known they were
staying there, that's systemic corruption. When Trump *ordered* secret service
agents to stay at his properties when he traveled and charged *double* the
normal rate, that's systemic corruption. When Trump *ordered* Pence and his
entourage to stay at one of his Irish resorts on the west coast of Ireland, more
than three hours away by car from Dublin on the east coast, where Pence had
official business, that was systemic corruption. Trump *flooded* the swamp with
billions of gallons of raw sewage.

Read this excellent and thorough Atlantic Monthly story about how felon Paul
Manafort, Trump's close ally, almost single-handedly created the swamp:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

There is *no* "deep state," and what irrational frenzied lying right-wingnuts
mean by it has nothing to do with the swamp.

Subject: Re: "deep state" vs "the swamp"
From: Lil dwarf Rudey
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J Carlson wrote:
> nothing to do with the swamp.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Allen Pruitt/james g.
keegan/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


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