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* Kamala Harris is the Democrats' best chance at beating Donald TrumpBobnoxious
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Subject: Kamala Harris is the Democrats' best chance at beating Donald Trump
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Kamala Harris is the Democrats� best chance at beating Donald Trump
Doug Saunders

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris speaks at an event in Jacksonville, Fla.
on May 1. Harris could soon become the first Black woman to head a major
party's presidential ticket after President Joe Biden�s ended his
reelection bid.

Kamala Harris has not been very visible during the past 3� years, as is
often the case with U.S. vice-presidents. Despite a robust set of
responsibilities, she rarely makes front-page news. A scattering of memes
and gaffes have given Americans a sense, however inaccurately, that she is
awkward. Her public-favourability ratings are not very strong. When she ran
in the presidential primary in 2020, she was seen as a lacklustre
campaigner.

But she is the best hope the Democratic Party has of defeating Donald Trump
now that President Joe Biden has abandoned his re-election bid. She is the
party�s only truly viable candidate, and needs to be running for president
now.

To understand why better-informed Democrats have come to that conclusion,
it may be worth looking at polls � but not the ones we usually see. In
those, Mr. Biden has consistently averaged several points behind Mr. Trump
since his shambolic June 27 debate performance gave voters a sense that he
was suffering a serious impairment.

Ms. Harris has generally fared a bit better. When voters are asked about a
hypothetical Trump-Harris election, she has sometimes come out ahead by a
couple points, sometimes behind. But those polls aren�t that useful,
because most Americans know little about their Vice-President.

More important are surveys that pit Mr. Trump against what pollsters call
�generic Democrat� � that is, any opponent who isn�t Mr. Biden. The last
time this was asked directly in a large-scale poll, in November by NBC
News, Mr. Biden lost by two points to Mr. Trump while the generic figure
won by an impressive six points. Another poll this month showed �generic
Democrat� figures, albeit at the congressional level, leading Republicans
by three points. Such polls have generally shown Democrats ahead of
Republicans all year. Indeed, CNN found earlier this month that three times
as many U.S. voters believed �someone else� would have a better chance of
winning an election than Mr. Biden.

In other words, if you erase voter concern about Mr. Biden�s appearance of
advancing age and incomprehensibility, and replace him with any Democrat
who doesn�t have those liabilities, you probably have a winning candidate.

Ibbitson: A Kamala Harris presidency would be better for Canada than
another Trump White House

And Ms. Harris is the only person who can plausibly put on this �generic
Democrat� T-shirt in time to win the election. In an imaginary world where
Mr. Biden had quit the race in January, other candidates might have fared
better during the eight-month-long ritual of primaries and caucuses leading
to the late-August Democratic National Convention.

Given the threat posed by Mr. Trump, there is no way the Democrats can wait
a month to field their presidential candidate. Nor could they survive a
contested convention in which a field of candidates say negative things
about one another on national airwaves.

Any other candidate would take additional weeks to build up a campaign and
gain public recognition � and there are only 10 weeks between the
Democratic convention and the Nov. 5 election. Ms. Harris, as the sitting
Vice-President, has been viewed by leading Democrats as the natural
replacement candidate since June, and was endorsed on Sunday by Mr. Biden
himself.

Besides, senior Democrats have reportedly warmed to the possibility that
Ms. Harris might be a very strong candidate indeed in 2024, given the
contrast she strikes not only against Mr. Trump but against Mr. Biden, who
is a weak candidate against Republicans and has also disillusioned key
sectors of Democrats.

To understand her strengths, it�s worth revisiting the TV ad she aired
during her 2020 primary campaign, which portrayed her as �the anti-Trump�
in every way:

�He�s a world leader in temper tantrums; she never loses her cool. She
prosecuted sex predators; he is one. She shut down for-profit colleges that
swindled Americans; he was a for-profit college � literally. He�s owned by
the big banks; she�s the attorney-general who beat the biggest banks in
America and forced them to pay homeowners $18-billion.�

As a figure seen as somewhat to the right of Mr. Biden, as a former tough-
on-crime prosecutor and California attorney-general with little interest in
the very online identity-politics issues derided by Republicans as �woke,�
she has strong prospects with moderate Republican and independent voters.
She also lacks some of Mr. Biden�s liabilities: She does not share his
polarized stand on the Israel-Hamas war, which has driven away younger
voters in important states such as Michigan. She does not have any family
scandals such as the one involving Mr. Biden�s son Hunter, convicted of
unlawful gun possession this year, that have dragged down Mr. Biden�s
popularity among swing voters.

Biden has withdrawn from the presidential race and endorsed Kamala Harris.
Here�s what could happen next

Ms. Harris�s perceived liabilities tend to be things having little to do
with her actual performance. Some Democrats fret that American voters may
not be ready for a woman of colour � especially given Mr. Trump�s evident
popularity despite his overtly misogynist and often racially charged views.

But big majorities voted for a Black president, Barack Obama, twice in 2008
and 2012. A majority voted for a female candidate, Hillary Clinton, in
2016. This suggests that most Americans, except those deeply tied to Mr.
Trump�s candidacy, have no problems with Ms. Harris�s identity. (Indeed, a
recent poll showed that Michelle Obama, a former first lady who has
expressed no interest in entering politics, would be by far the strongest
Democratic candidate against Mr. Trump were she to run, and the only one
sure to beat him.)

Ms. Harris�s identity as a Californian could be more of a liability. Mr.
Trump and his vice-presidential candidate, J.D. Vance, both routinely
denounce California as a failed state filled with street poverty and flaky
gender-identity politics.

But she could just as well characterize them as two Ivy League-educated
millionaires from the ultra-elite worlds of finance and real estate.

As a starting position in what will be a brutal, everything-on-the-table
battle for the future of America and the world, that�s not bad � and she is
the only candidate who is anywhere near the starting blocks.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-kamala-harris-is-the-
democrats-best-chance-at-beating-donald-trump/

Subject: Re: Kamala Harris is the Democrats' best chance at beating Donald Trump
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On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
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> Kamala Harris is the Democrats’ best chance at beating Donald Trump

If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.

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Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote in news:oGRnO.10376$iptd.1496@fx36.iad:

> On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
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>> Kamala Harris is the Democrats’ best chance at beating Donald Trump
>
> If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.
>
>
Procecutor meet felon.

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In article <v7p466$1bsj2$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
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> Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote in news:oGRnO.10376$iptd.1496@fx36.iad:
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> > On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
> >>
> >> Kamala Harris is the Democrats� best chance at beating Donald Trump
> >
> > If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.
> >
> >
> Procecutor meet felon.

Yea well a prosecutor met him and Georgia and look what happened?

--

BITCH! YOU MISSED!

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>On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
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>> Kamala Harris is the Democrats� T best chance at beating Donald Trump
>
>If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.
>
>

Everybody's voting for Trump.

It's over.

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:23:33 -0600, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

>On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
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>> Kamala Harris is the Democrats’ best chance at beating Donald Trump
>
>If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.

Lol! Nikki Haley disagrees with you. And as a professional politician and former
governor, I'll take her opinion over yours.

Swill

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Governor Swill wrote:
> Nikki Haley disagrees with you.

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


Click here to read the complete article
Subject: Re: Kamala Harris is the Democrats' best chance at beating Donald Trump
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Governor Swill wrote:
> I'll take her opinion over yours.

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


Click here to read the complete article
Subject: Re: Kamala Harris is the Democrats' best chance at beating Donald Trump
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In article <ssa0ajhqjhiem35q5tc510qihuh3hctf42@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:23:33 -0600, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:
>
> >On 7/22/2024 8:51 PM, Bobnoxious wrote:
> >>
> >> Kamala Harris is the Democrats? best chance at beating Donald Trump
> >
> >If that's true, them Dems have no chance at all.
>
> Lol! Nikki Haley disagrees with you. And as a professional politician and former
> governor, I'll take her opinion over yours.
>
So you admit you believe politicians.

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