The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance

Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.

What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use �sellout� or
�backstabber.� (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties�country
and faith�we invoke the more solemn terms of �traitor� or �apostate.�

But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
is too big to allow him to escape with the label of �opportunist,� and yet
the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
him a defector or a heretic.

My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with �pathetic
loser poser fake jerk,� but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
reference beginning with the letter a.

I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
students to use the term.

But the word is apt when I consider Vance�s silly and yet detestable moral
collapse. Some people back in Vance�s home region of Appalachia thought his
memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
people�including me�were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
minority communities.

Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
be that candidate.

Cassie Chambers Armstrong: �Hillbilly Elegy� doesn�t reflect the Appalachia
I know

Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
Trump �is cultural heroin��a powerful charge from someone who hails from
the epicenter of the opioid epidemic�and provided a �quick high� that could
not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
wanted to go to Washington�and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
dropped $10 million into a political action committee.

Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. �Serious
question,� Vance tweeted. �I have to go to New York soon and I�m trying to
figure out where to stay. I have heard it�s disgusting and violent there.
But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4?�

When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
mongering, he responded that �these people��which is everyone but him, one
assumes�have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.

Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.

Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
stupidity of Ohio�s voters. �If I actually care about these people and the
things I say I care about,� he told Time, �I need to just suck it up and
support him.�

Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.

Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified

These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also �defended a Nazi from
being kicked off of twitter � shared a thread defending election fraud
conspiracies � fantastically claimed Google was �hiding� his website� and
�mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.�

Vance�s rhetoric is even worse than Miller�s description. For example,
Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
referring to him merely as �a giant troll� who should not have been kicked
off Twitter by one of the �tech companies� that want to �control what we�re
allowed to say in our own country.� And, more recently, he ventured onto
the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka�s crackpot videocast to claim that
the �Democrat� Party�a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
working-class cred��is a party of childless people� who therefore do not
value the future.

Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
referring to them all as �degenerate liberals,� which is exactly the kind
of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.

I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.

In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.

But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
a gigantic fraud he�s become.

I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America�s elites
because �he hasn�t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
an effort to fit in.�

But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
multimillion-dollar support from �ordinary folks� like Thiel�these all show
that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.

This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
admiration for both.)

Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he�s just a � well, you
know.

Instead of a candidate who�s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
lead the rubes out of their misery.

Vance would no doubt welcome terms such as populist, savior, native son.
But when thinking of a plastic fraud trying to harvest their votes, poor
and working-class voters might come up with a different word.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
vance/619428/

In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>
> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>
> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>
>
> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>
> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
> him a defector or a heretic.
>
> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
> reference beginning with the letter a.
>
> I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
> man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
> institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
> represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
> students to use the term.
>
> But the word is apt when I consider Vance?s silly and yet detestable moral
> collapse. Some people back in Vance?s home region of Appalachia thought his
> memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
> people?including me?were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
> Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
> hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
> New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
> willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
> years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
> minority communities.
>
> Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
> conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
> fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
> candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
> tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
> experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
> be that candidate.
>
> Cassie Chambers Armstrong: ?Hillbilly Elegy? doesn?t reflect the Appalachia
> I know
>
> Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
> long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
> poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
> people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
> Trump ?is cultural heroin??a powerful charge from someone who hails from
> the epicenter of the opioid epidemic?and provided a ?quick high? that could
> not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
> wanted to go to Washington?and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
> dropped $10 million into a political action committee.
>
> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
> authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
> recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
> Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
> only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. ?Serious
> question,? Vance tweeted. ?I have to go to New York soon and I?m trying to
> figure out where to stay. I have heard it?s disgusting and violent there.
> But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4??
>
> When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
> mongering, he responded that ?these people??which is everyone but him, one
> assumes?have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.
>
> Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.
>
> Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
> done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
> madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
> stupidity of Ohio?s voters. ?If I actually care about these people and the
> things I say I care about,? he told Time, ?I need to just suck it up and
> support him.?
>
> Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
> venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.
>
> Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified
>
> These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
> noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
> tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also ?defended a Nazi from
> being kicked off of twitter ? shared a thread defending election fraud
> conspiracies ? fantastically claimed Google was ?hiding? his website? and
> ?mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.?
>
> Vance?s rhetoric is even worse than Miller?s description. For example,
> Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
> referring to him merely as ?a giant troll? who should not have been kicked
> off Twitter by one of the ?tech companies? that want to ?control what we?re
> allowed to say in our own country.? And, more recently, he ventured onto
> the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka?s crackpot videocast to claim that
> the ?Democrat? Party?a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
> working-class cred??is a party of childless people? who therefore do not
> value the future.
>
> Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
> referring to them all as ?degenerate liberals,? which is exactly the kind
> of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.
>
> I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.
>
> In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
> no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
> Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
> an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
> is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
> recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
> Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.
>
> But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
> distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
> a gigantic fraud he?s become.
>
> I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
> a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
> national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
> Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America?s elites
> because ?he hasn?t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
> an effort to fit in.?
>
> But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
> exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
> that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
> multimillion-dollar support from ?ordinary folks? like Thiel?these all show
> that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.
>
> This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
> politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
> privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
> Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
> admiration for both.)
>
> Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
> authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
> the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
> Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he?s just a ? well, you
> know.
>
> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
> lead the rubes out of their misery.

On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>
>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>
>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>
>>
>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>
>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>
>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>> reference beginning with the letter a.
>>
>> I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
>> man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
>> institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
>> represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
>> students to use the term.
>>
>> But the word is apt when I consider Vance?s silly and yet detestable moral
>> collapse. Some people back in Vance?s home region of Appalachia thought his
>> memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
>> people?including me?were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
>> Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
>> hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
>> New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
>> willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
>> years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
>> minority communities.
>>
>> Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
>> conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
>> fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
>> candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
>> tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
>> experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
>> be that candidate.
>>
>> Cassie Chambers Armstrong: ?Hillbilly Elegy? doesn?t reflect the Appalachia
>> I know
>>
>> Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
>> long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
>> poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
>> people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
>> Trump ?is cultural heroin??a powerful charge from someone who hails from
>> the epicenter of the opioid epidemic?and provided a ?quick high? that could
>> not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
>> wanted to go to Washington?and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
>> dropped $10 million into a political action committee.
>>
>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
>> authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
>> recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
>> Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
>> only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. ?Serious
>> question,? Vance tweeted. ?I have to go to New York soon and I?m trying to
>> figure out where to stay. I have heard it?s disgusting and violent there.
>> But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4??
>>
>> When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
>> mongering, he responded that ?these people??which is everyone but him, one
>> assumes?have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.
>>
>> Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.
>>
>> Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
>> done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
>> madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
>> stupidity of Ohio?s voters. ?If I actually care about these people and the
>> things I say I care about,? he told Time, ?I need to just suck it up and
>> support him.?
>>
>> Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
>> venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.
>>
>> Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified
>>
>> These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
>> noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
>> tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also ?defended a Nazi from
>> being kicked off of twitter ? shared a thread defending election fraud
>> conspiracies ? fantastically claimed Google was ?hiding? his website? and
>> ?mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.?
>>
>> Vance?s rhetoric is even worse than Miller?s description. For example,
>> Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
>> referring to him merely as ?a giant troll? who should not have been kicked
>> off Twitter by one of the ?tech companies? that want to ?control what we?re
>> allowed to say in our own country.? And, more recently, he ventured onto
>> the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka?s crackpot videocast to claim that
>> the ?Democrat? Party?a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
>> working-class cred??is a party of childless people? who therefore do not
>> value the future.
>>
>> Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
>> referring to them all as ?degenerate liberals,? which is exactly the kind
>> of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.
>>
>> I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.
>>
>> In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
>> no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
>> Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
>> an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
>> is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
>> recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
>> Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.
>>
>> But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
>> distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
>> a gigantic fraud he?s become.
>>
>> I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
>> a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
>> national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
>> Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America?s elites
>> because ?he hasn?t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
>> an effort to fit in.?
>>
>> But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
>> exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
>> that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
>> multimillion-dollar support from ?ordinary folks? like Thiel?these all show
>> that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.
>>
>> This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
>> politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
>> privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
>> Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
>> admiration for both.)
>>
>> Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
>> authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
>> the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
>> Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he?s just a ? well, you
>> know.
>>
>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>
> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.

On 7/20/2024 2:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>
>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>>>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
>>>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>>>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
>>>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>>>
>>>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>>>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>>>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>>>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
>>>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>>>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>>>
>>>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>>>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>>>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>>>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>>>> reference beginning with the letter a.
>>>>
>>>> I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
>>>> man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
>>>> institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
>>>> represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
>>>> students to use the term.
>>>>
>>>> But the word is apt when I consider Vance?s silly and yet detestable moral
>>>> collapse. Some people back in Vance?s home region of Appalachia thought his
>>>> memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
>>>> people?including me?were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
>>>> Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
>>>> hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
>>>> New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
>>>> willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
>>>> years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
>>>> minority communities.
>>>>
>>>> Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
>>>> conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
>>>> fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
>>>> candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
>>>> tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
>>>> experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
>>>> be that candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Cassie Chambers Armstrong: ?Hillbilly Elegy? doesn?t reflect the Appalachia
>>>> I know
>>>>
>>>> Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
>>>> long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
>>>> poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
>>>> people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
>>>> Trump ?is cultural heroin??a powerful charge from someone who hails from
>>>> the epicenter of the opioid epidemic?and provided a ?quick high? that could
>>>> not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
>>>> wanted to go to Washington?and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
>>>> dropped $10 million into a political action committee.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
>>>> authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
>>>> recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
>>>> Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
>>>> only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. ?Serious
>>>> question,? Vance tweeted. ?I have to go to New York soon and I?m trying to
>>>> figure out where to stay. I have heard it?s disgusting and violent there.
>>>> But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4??
>>>>
>>>> When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
>>>> mongering, he responded that ?these people??which is everyone but him, one
>>>> assumes?have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.
>>>>
>>>> Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.
>>>>
>>>> Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
>>>> done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
>>>> madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
>>>> stupidity of Ohio?s voters. ?If I actually care about these people and the
>>>> things I say I care about,? he told Time, ?I need to just suck it up and
>>>> support him.?
>>>>
>>>> Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
>>>> venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.
>>>>
>>>> Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified
>>>>
>>>> These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
>>>> noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
>>>> tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also ?defended a Nazi from
>>>> being kicked off of twitter ? shared a thread defending election fraud
>>>> conspiracies ? fantastically claimed Google was ?hiding? his website? and
>>>> ?mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.?
>>>>
>>>> Vance?s rhetoric is even worse than Miller?s description. For example,
>>>> Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
>>>> referring to him merely as ?a giant troll? who should not have been kicked
>>>> off Twitter by one of the ?tech companies? that want to ?control what we?re
>>>> allowed to say in our own country.? And, more recently, he ventured onto
>>>> the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka?s crackpot videocast to claim that
>>>> the ?Democrat? Party?a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
>>>> working-class cred??is a party of childless people? who therefore do not
>>>> value the future.
>>>>
>>>> Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
>>>> referring to them all as ?degenerate liberals,? which is exactly the kind
>>>> of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.
>>>>
>>>> I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.
>>>>
>>>> In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
>>>> no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
>>>> Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
>>>> an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
>>>> is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
>>>> recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
>>>> Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.
>>>>
>>>> But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
>>>> distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
>>>> a gigantic fraud he?s become.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
>>>> a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
>>>> national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
>>>> Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America?s elites
>>>> because ?he hasn?t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
>>>> an effort to fit in.?
>>>>
>>>> But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
>>>> exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
>>>> that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
>>>> multimillion-dollar support from ?ordinary folks? like Thiel?these all show
>>>> that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.
>>>>
>>>> This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
>>>> politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
>>>> privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
>>>> Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
>>>> admiration for both.)
>>>>
>>>> Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
>>>> authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
>>>> the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
>>>> Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he?s just a ? well, you
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>>>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>>>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
>>>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>>>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
>>>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>>>
>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>
>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an adjective.
>
> It's whatever I say it is.

On 7/20/2024 4:54 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <aiWmO.157601$ySE.127431@fx11.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 7/20/2024 2:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad>,
>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>>>>>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
>>>>>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>>>>>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
>>>>>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>>>>>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>>>>>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>>>>>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
>>>>>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>>>>>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>>>>>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>>>>>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>>>>>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>>>>>> reference beginning with the letter a.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
>>>>>> man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
>>>>>> institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
>>>>>> represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
>>>>>> students to use the term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the word is apt when I consider Vance?s silly and yet detestable moral
>>>>>> collapse. Some people back in Vance?s home region of Appalachia thought his
>>>>>> memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
>>>>>> people?including me?were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
>>>>>> Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
>>>>>> hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
>>>>>> New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
>>>>>> willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
>>>>>> years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
>>>>>> minority communities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
>>>>>> conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
>>>>>> fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
>>>>>> candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
>>>>>> tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
>>>>>> experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
>>>>>> be that candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cassie Chambers Armstrong: ?Hillbilly Elegy? doesn?t reflect the Appalachia
>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
>>>>>> long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
>>>>>> poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
>>>>>> people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
>>>>>> Trump ?is cultural heroin??a powerful charge from someone who hails from
>>>>>> the epicenter of the opioid epidemic?and provided a ?quick high? that could
>>>>>> not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
>>>>>> wanted to go to Washington?and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
>>>>>> dropped $10 million into a political action committee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
>>>>>> authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
>>>>>> recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
>>>>>> Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
>>>>>> only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. ?Serious
>>>>>> question,? Vance tweeted. ?I have to go to New York soon and I?m trying to
>>>>>> figure out where to stay. I have heard it?s disgusting and violent there.
>>>>>> But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
>>>>>> mongering, he responded that ?these people??which is everyone but him, one
>>>>>> assumes?have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
>>>>>> done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
>>>>>> madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
>>>>>> stupidity of Ohio?s voters. ?If I actually care about these people and the
>>>>>> things I say I care about,? he told Time, ?I need to just suck it up and
>>>>>> support him.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
>>>>>> venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
>>>>>> noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
>>>>>> tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also ?defended a Nazi from
>>>>>> being kicked off of twitter ? shared a thread defending election fraud
>>>>>> conspiracies ? fantastically claimed Google was ?hiding? his website? and
>>>>>> ?mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vance?s rhetoric is even worse than Miller?s description. For example,
>>>>>> Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
>>>>>> referring to him merely as ?a giant troll? who should not have been kicked
>>>>>> off Twitter by one of the ?tech companies? that want to ?control what we?re
>>>>>> allowed to say in our own country.? And, more recently, he ventured onto
>>>>>> the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka?s crackpot videocast to claim that
>>>>>> the ?Democrat? Party?a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
>>>>>> working-class cred??is a party of childless people? who therefore do not
>>>>>> value the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
>>>>>> referring to them all as ?degenerate liberals,? which is exactly the kind
>>>>>> of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
>>>>>> no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
>>>>>> Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
>>>>>> an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
>>>>>> is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
>>>>>> recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
>>>>>> Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
>>>>>> distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
>>>>>> a gigantic fraud he?s become.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
>>>>>> a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
>>>>>> national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
>>>>>> Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America?s elites
>>>>>> because ?he hasn?t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
>>>>>> an effort to fit in.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
>>>>>> exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
>>>>>> that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
>>>>>> multimillion-dollar support from ?ordinary folks? like Thiel?these all show
>>>>>> that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
>>>>>> politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
>>>>>> privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
>>>>>> Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
>>>>>> admiration for both.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
>>>>>> authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
>>>>>> the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
>>>>>> Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he?s just a ? well, you
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>>>>>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>>>>>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
>>>>>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>>>>>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
>>>>>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>>>>>
>>>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>>>
>>>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an adjective.
>>>
>>> It's whatever I say it is.
>>
>> Nope. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It's an adjective, and it's an adjective
>> that is *never* applied to you.
>
>
> It's

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:

>The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>
>Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>
>

>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
>vance/619428/

So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?

In article <5t6q9jdi2snj3017k8stovl36ii39i7q0e@4ax.com>,
NoBody@nowhere.com says...
>
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
>
> >The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
> >
> >Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
> >become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
> >
> >
>
> >
> >https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
> >vance/619428/
>
> So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?

Hate is all they have.

--

BITCH! YOU MISSED!

On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
>
>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>
>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>
>>
>
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
>> vance/619428/
>
> So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?

The depiction of Vance is accurate.

On 7/20/2024 8:37 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <4LZmO.148331$SLqf.64090@fx15.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 7/20/2024 4:54 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <aiWmO.157601$ySE.127431@fx11.iad>,
>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2024 2:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad>,
>>>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>>>>>>>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
>>>>>>>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>>>>>>>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
>>>>>>>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>>>>>>>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>>>>>>>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>>>>>>>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
>>>>>>>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>>>>>>>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>>>>>>>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>>>>>>>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>>>>>>>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>>>>>>>> reference beginning with the letter a.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a
>>>>>>>> man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several
>>>>>>>> institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not
>>>>>>>> represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my
>>>>>>>> students to use the term.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the word is apt when I consider Vance?s silly and yet detestable moral
>>>>>>>> collapse. Some people back in Vance?s home region of Appalachia thought his
>>>>>>>> memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other
>>>>>>>> people?including me?were intrigued by his writing and public speaking.
>>>>>>>> Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the
>>>>>>>> hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of
>>>>>>>> New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his
>>>>>>>> willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after
>>>>>>>> years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of
>>>>>>>> minority communities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vance gained early support in the political center, particularly among
>>>>>>>> conservatives. The American working poor, no matter where they are, do in
>>>>>>>> fact need civic representatives from the center-right, people who can talk
>>>>>>>> candidly about the limits of government and who can make a moral case for
>>>>>>>> tough love and personal responsibility, but one based on a sense of shared
>>>>>>>> experience, common values, and genuine compassion. Someone like Vance could
>>>>>>>> be that candidate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cassie Chambers Armstrong: ?Hillbilly Elegy? doesn?t reflect the Appalachia
>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone like Vance, perhaps, but as we now know, not Vance himself. Not so
>>>>>>>> long ago, he talked about the self-defeating bias against education among
>>>>>>>> poor whites. He acknowledged the self-destructive habits of some of the
>>>>>>>> people he grew up around. Vance wrote, in this very magazine, that Donald
>>>>>>>> Trump ?is cultural heroin??a powerful charge from someone who hails from
>>>>>>>> the epicenter of the opioid epidemic?and provided a ?quick high? that could
>>>>>>>> not fix what ails the country. All of that vanished once Vance decided he
>>>>>>>> wanted to go to Washington?and after the Trump supporter Peter Thiel
>>>>>>>> dropped $10 million into a political action committee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown. His attempts at
>>>>>>>> authenticity are so grating because they are so blatantly artificial. His
>>>>>>>> recent tweets, for example, attempting to ingratiate himself with rural
>>>>>>>> Ohioans by slagging New York City were embarrassingly amateurish; we can
>>>>>>>> only wonder which social-media consultant thought them up. ?Serious
>>>>>>>> question,? Vance tweeted. ?I have to go to New York soon and I?m trying to
>>>>>>>> figure out where to stay. I have heard it?s disgusting and violent there.
>>>>>>>> But is it like Walking Dead Season 1 or Season 4??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When the Republican commentator Liz Mair called him on this inane fear-
>>>>>>>> mongering, he responded that ?these people??which is everyone but him, one
>>>>>>>> assumes?have no sense of humor about what he claimed was only a joke.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, this is why a certain word immediately springs to mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Worse, Vance has not only repudiated his earlier views on Trump, but has
>>>>>>>> done so with ruthless cynicism, embracing the former president and his
>>>>>>>> madness while winking at the media with a What can you do? shrug about the
>>>>>>>> stupidity of Ohio?s voters. ?If I actually care about these people and the
>>>>>>>> things I say I care about,? he told Time, ?I need to just suck it up and
>>>>>>>> support him.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well. One can only imagine their gratitude now that Vance the wealthy
>>>>>>>> venture capitalist has deigned to accept Trump as his political savior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read: Ohio is now fully Trumpified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These incidents are not isolated missteps. The writer Tim Miller recently
>>>>>>>> noted in The Bulwark that within the space of a week, Vance not only
>>>>>>>> tweeted his performative fear of New York, but also ?defended a Nazi from
>>>>>>>> being kicked off of twitter ? shared a thread defending election fraud
>>>>>>>> conspiracies ? fantastically claimed Google was ?hiding? his website? and
>>>>>>>> ?mocked reporters for saying they were traumatized by the Capitol riot.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vance?s rhetoric is even worse than Miller?s description. For example,
>>>>>>>> Vance minimized Nick Fuentes, the leader of a white-nationalist group, by
>>>>>>>> referring to him merely as ?a giant troll? who should not have been kicked
>>>>>>>> off Twitter by one of the ?tech companies? that want to ?control what we?re
>>>>>>>> allowed to say in our own country.? And, more recently, he ventured onto
>>>>>>>> the former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka?s crackpot videocast to claim that
>>>>>>>> the ?Democrat? Party?a usage common among educated right-wingers trying for
>>>>>>>> working-class cred??is a party of childless people? who therefore do not
>>>>>>>> value the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vance has struck back at his many critics across the political spectrum by
>>>>>>>> referring to them all as ?degenerate liberals,? which is exactly the kind
>>>>>>>> of thing a smarmy and pretentious asshole would say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I apologize. I had hoped to avoid the word, but nothing else will do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fairness, Vance is hardly the most offensive Republican out there. He is
>>>>>>>> no Louie Gohmert, the Republican congressman from Texas, or Marsha
>>>>>>>> Blackburn, the senior Republican senator from Tennessee, people who create
>>>>>>>> an electrostatic field of stupidity around themselves when they speak. Nor
>>>>>>>> is he even the most craven candidate in Ohio; his primary rival Josh Mandel
>>>>>>>> recently filmed himself burning a surgical mask in the name of freedom. The
>>>>>>>> Republican Party is chock-full of such performative buffoons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what makes Vance so awful is that he knows better. His intentional
>>>>>>>> distancing from his earlier views shows that he is fully cognizant of what
>>>>>>>> a gigantic fraud he?s become.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect that Vance is also reading his own press, which would explain why
>>>>>>>> a young man who attained early fame is convinced that he can jump right to
>>>>>>>> national office. Take, for example, the Trump-friendly columnist Henry
>>>>>>>> Olsen of The Washington Post, who wrote that Vance scares America?s elites
>>>>>>>> because ?he hasn?t surrendered his mind to polls or to the donor class in
>>>>>>>> an effort to fit in.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But following the polls and capering to a jig played by rich donors is
>>>>>>>> exactly what Vance is doing. His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration
>>>>>>>> that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his
>>>>>>>> multimillion-dollar support from ?ordinary folks? like Thiel?these all show
>>>>>>>> that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American
>>>>>>>> politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of
>>>>>>>> privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the
>>>>>>>> Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his
>>>>>>>> admiration for both.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vance, so far, is less of a hazard to American democracy than aspiring
>>>>>>>> authoritarians like Cotton or Hawley. Nor does he seem to have developed
>>>>>>>> the full dedication to being a soulless careerist like Elise Stefanik, the
>>>>>>>> Republican congresswoman from New York. Mostly, he?s just a ? well, you
>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>>>>>>>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>>>>>>>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
>>>>>>>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>>>>>>>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
>>>>>>>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an adjective.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's whatever I say it is.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It's an adjective, and it's an adjective
>>>> that is *never* applied to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's
>>
>> "Manly" is not an adverb. You cannot "manly" do something. You, of course, being
>> a squat-to-piss fairy, could not do anything in a *manly* (adjective) manner
>> even if you wanted to.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Vance did not "admit" to anything. Most importantly, he did not admit to being a
>>>> fraudulent "hillbilly," which is what he is.
>>>
>>> He admitted to
>>
>> That faggot admitted to nothing, and Vance is not manly.
>
> He did,

In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net says...
>
> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
> >>
> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
> >> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
> >> vance/619428/
> >
> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>
> The depiction of Vance is accurate.

No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.

--

BITCH! YOU MISSED!

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net says...
>>
>> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>> >>
>> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>> >> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
>> >> vance/619428/
>> >
>> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>>
>> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
>
>No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.

The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is practically giddy over
it. They're certain they'll get Trump elected this time.

Swill

Governor Swill wrote:
> Russian media is practically giddy

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If trying to steal an election is an "official act", assassinating the
asshole who did it
should be too.

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.... but the stupid bitch missed.

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net says...
> >>
> >> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
> >> >> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
> >> >> vance/619428/
> >> >
> >> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
> >>
> >> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
> >
> >No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
>
> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is practically giddy over
> it. They're certain they'll get Trump elected this time.
>
> Swill

You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already proven
false.

--

BITCH! YOU MISSED!

In article <v7k58o$9p4e$9@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:669d9055$0$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
> > governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter
> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net
> >> >says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >> >> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a
> >> >> >> candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse
> >> >> >> -jd- vance/619428/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
> >> >>
> >> >> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
> >> >
> >> >No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
> >>
> >> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
> >> practically giddy over it. They're certain they'll get Trump elected
> >> this time.
> >>
> >> Swill
> >
> > You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already
> > proven false.
> >
>
> Russian collusion was proven TRUE multiple times. But somehow you cling
> to the old debunked lie.

It was proven that the left fabricated it. Show me your proof it really
happened. Do it or be known as a Baxter. Nobody wants that.

--

BITCH! YOU MISSED!

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:669dad69$0$212419$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v7k58o$9p4e$9@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:669d9055$0$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
>> > governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter
>> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net
>> >> >says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> >> >> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a
>> >> >> >> candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing
>> >> >> >> clown.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-colla
>> >> >> >> pse -jd- vance/619428/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
>> >> >
>> >> >No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
>> >>
>> >> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
>> >> practically giddy over it. They're certain they'll get Trump
>> >> elected this time.
>> >>
>> >> Swill
>> >
>> > You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already
>> > proven false.
>> >
>>
>> Russian collusion was proven TRUE multiple times. But somehow you
>> cling to the old debunked lie.
>
> It was proven that the left fabricated it. Show me your proof it
> really happened. Do it or be known as a Baxter. Nobody wants that.
>

I guess you forgot Manafort.

In article <v7khm6$fkam$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:669dad69$0$212419$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v7k58o$9p4e$9@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:669d9055$0$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
> >> > governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter
> >> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net
> >> >> >says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a
> >> >> >> >> candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing
> >> >> >> >> clown.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-colla
> >> >> >> >> pse -jd- vance/619428/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
> >> >> practically giddy over it. They're certain they'll get Trump
> >> >> elected this time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Swill
> >> >
> >> > You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already
> >> > proven false.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Russian collusion was proven TRUE multiple times. But somehow you
> >> cling to the old debunked lie.
> >
> > It was proven that the left fabricated it. Show me your proof it
> > really happened. Do it or be known as a Baxter. Nobody wants that.
> >
>
> I guess you forgot Manafort.

I said prove it.

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BITCH! YOU MISSED!

On 2024-07-22 02:55:03 +0000, Baxter said:

> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:669dad69$0$212419$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <v7k58o$9p4e$9@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:669d9055$0$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
>>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter
>>>>> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a
>>>>>>>>> candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing
>>>>>>>>> clown.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-colla
>>>>>>>>> pse -jd- vance/619428/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
>>>>> practically giddy over it. They're certain they'll get Trump
>>>>> elected this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>> You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already
>>>> proven false.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Russian collusion was proven TRUE multiple times. But somehow you
>>> cling to the old debunked lie.
>>
>> It was proven that the left fabricated it. Show me your proof it
>> really happened. Do it or be known as a Baxter. Nobody wants that.
>>
>
> I guess you forgot Manafort.

Skooter gets all his news filtered through FUXX News so he missed that.

"Bird" wrote in message news:v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me...
>
>The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>
>Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>
>What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>

People change and realise things. Are you able to change?

>
>For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use “sellout” or
>“backstabber.” (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties—country
>and faith—we invoke the more solemn terms of “traitor” or “apostate.”
>
>But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>is too big to allow him to escape with the label of “opportunist,” and yet
>the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>him a defector or a heretic.
>
>My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with “pathetic
>loser poser fake jerk,” but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>reference beginning with the letter a.
>

snip

>
>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
>vance/619428/
>

Just another Dem party influenced rag hate speech. In the rubbish bin.
People have gone to prison for hate speeches.

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"Michael A Terrell" wrote in message
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>
>On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>
>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>
>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>
>>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to
>>> believe?
>>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout?
>>> or
>>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a
>>> rat,
>>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier
>>> loyalties?country
>>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>>
>>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in
>>> Ohio
>>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and
>>> yet
>>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to
>>> brand
>>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>>
>>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern
>>> District
>>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the
>>> essence
>>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an
>>> anatomical
>>> reference beginning with the letter a.

snip

>>>
>>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the
>>> money
>>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed
>>> to
>>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>>
>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>
>He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an
>adjective.
>

Only correcting grammar shows you have no real argument.

Changing follow-ups shows you're a delinquent. Delinquents have no
credibility.

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"Michael A Terrell" wrote in message
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>
>On 7/20/2024 2:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
>> In article <E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad>,
>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>>> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>
>>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate
>>>>> has
>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>>

snip long hate speech article

>>>>
>>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>>
>>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an
>>> adjective.
>>
>> It's whatever I say it is.
>
>Nope. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It's an adjective, and it's an
>adjective that is *never* applied to you.
>

Oh Rudy did a Google search on a word and now he sounds smart.

>
>Vance did not "admit" to anything. Most importantly, he did not admit to
>being a fraudulent "hillbilly," which is what he is.
>

Now you're an expert on Vance?

Who inspires all your hate vomits?

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"Governor Swill" wrote in message
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>
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net says...
>>>
>>> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>> >>
>>> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate
>>> >> has
>>> >> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse-jd-
>>> >> vance/619428/
>>> >
>>> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>>>
>>> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
>>
>>No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
>
>The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
>practically giddy over
>it. They're certain they'll get Trump elected this time.
>

Please post a link to what you saw.

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"Baxter" wrote in message news:v7k58o$9p4e$9@dont-email.me...
>
>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>news:669d9055$0$2873001$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <iavq9jh84l5m5padthp455os3rmnst6shc@4ax.com>,
>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:51:01 -0600, Skeeter
>>> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <VuanO.74056$oGQf.67649@fx10.iad>, bondrock@ifx.net
>>> >says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 7/21/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> >> > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 19:14:36 -0000 (UTC), Bird <X@Y.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a
>>> >> >> candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/moral-collapse
>>> >> >> -jd- vance/619428/
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So much for "lowering the temperature" eh?
>>> >>
>>> >> The depiction of Vance is accurate.
>>> >
>>> >No. All made up. The left is chasing their tails now.
>>>
>>> The Russians are ecstatic about the Vance pick. Russian media is
>>> practically giddy over it. They're certain they'll get Trump elected
>>> this time.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> You really eat that shit up don't you? Russian collusion already
>> proven false.
>>
>
>Russian collusion was proven TRUE multiple times.
>

Post proof please.

>
>But somehow you cling
>to the old debunked lie.
>

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On 7/21/2024 8:45 PM, Andrea W, lying trolling HIV-oozing Nazi whore, lied:

> "Michael A Terrell"  wrote in message news:E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad...
>>
>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>
>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>
>>>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>>>> For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use ?sellout? or
>>>> ?backstabber.? (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat,
>>>> a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties?country
>>>> and faith?we invoke the more solemn terms of ?traitor? or ?apostate.?
>>>>
>>>> But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned
>>>> Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist
>>>> turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio
>>>> is too big to allow him to escape with the label of ?opportunist,? and yet
>>>> the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand
>>>> him a defector or a heretic.
>>>>
>>>> My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District
>>>> of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with ?pathetic
>>>> loser poser fake jerk,? but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence
>>>> of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical
>>>> reference beginning with the letter a.
>
> snip
>
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a candidate who?s willing to speak hard truths to his people,
>>>> Ohioans now have a native son who has returned to weaponize their
>>>> resentment and cultural dysfunctions. His ambition is fueled by the money
>>>> of others who would never deign to live in the Midwest. And like other
>>>> populist charlatans, he has convinced himself that he should be anointed to
>>>> lead the rubes out of their misery.
>>>
>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>
>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an adjective.
>>
>
> Only correcting grammar

I didn't only correct *wrong* English, you cunt. I proved that he lied about
unmanly Vance admitting to an error. He didn't admit to his egregious error.

On 7/21/2024 8:52 PM, Andrea W, lying trolling HIV-oozing Nazi whore, lied:

> "Michael A Terrell"  wrote in message news:aiWmO.157601$ySE.127431@fx11.iad...
>>
>> On 7/20/2024 2:26 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <E1VmO.140475$sE%9.9431@fx14.iad>,
>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2024 1:18 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>>>> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>>>>>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>>>>>
>
> snip long truthful article that I can't refute

Obviously.

>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> He admitted he was wrong and manly [sic] admitted to it.
>>>>
>>>> He admitted nothing. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It is only an adjective.
>>>
>>> It's whatever I say it is.
>>
>> Nope. "Manly" is not an adverb, ever. It's an adjective, and it's an adjective
>> that is *never* applied to you.
>>
>
> Oh Rudy kicked Skeeter-Shit's ass

Yes.

>
>
>>
>> Vance did not "admit" to anything. Most importantly, he did not admit to being
>> a fraudulent "hillbilly," which is what he is.
>>
>
> Now you're an expert on Vance?

Yes. Vance did not "admit" to any error. He's a cunt, like you.

On 7/21/2024 8:40 PM, Andrea W, lying trolling HIV-oozing Nazi whore, lied:

> "Bird"  wrote in message news:v7h2as$3lp2j$5@dont-email.me...
>>
>> The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance
>>
>> Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has
>> become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.
>>
>> What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe?
>>
>
> People change and realise things.

Vance changed because he's a whore.