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>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
>in
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>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:
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>>>
>>>
>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>wrote in message
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>>>> typed:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
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>>>>>> [Default] Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) posted some
>>>>>>>news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>>>He made;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it's not, dumb fuck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RELIGION: the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or
>>>>>> powers, especially a God or gods.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is one definition, but hardly the only one.
>>>>>
>>>>>I suppose the first step is for us establish what is meant by
>>>>>religion. At it's base religion is a belief in a set of organized
>>>>>concepts. That may include or not, the concept of superior
>>>>>entities, special abilities, granting of wishes, with powers and
>>>>>capabilities beyond our comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> It usually involves a deity.
>>>
>>>Usually, but that doesn't mean exclusively.
>>>
>>>After all, we have atheist churches....
>>
>> Given that a church is "a building for public and especially Christian
>> worship" what would atheists be "worshipping?"
>>
>> No, there is no such thing as an atheist church. They might CALL it a
>> "church." An atheist clubhouse, maybe.
>>
>
>Many Unitarian Universalist churches are considered atheist - they are
>humanistic and don't do “beliefs” but agree to support social justice.

Unitarian Universalists have many ways of naming what is sacred. Some
believe in a God; some don’t believe in a God. Some believe in a
sacred force at work in the world, and call it “love,” “mystery,”
“source of all” or “spirit of life.”
https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe/higher-power

So it's a church for the Unitarians who worship, then, isn't it, you
stupid fuck?

In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
news:v6n0em$22boi$1@dont-email.me:

> On 11/07/2024 12:41 am, Baxter wrote:
>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>> news:v6kuia $1o7d9$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/07/2024 1:05 pm, Baxter wrote:
>>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v6kghh$1h7n1$8@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>>> Yes, it had faith in its rescuers based on what it believed.
>>>>
>>>> Dogs do not have the mental capacity for belief. You're projecting
>>>> - antropomorphic.
>
> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>> No one is saying that. By the way, you better go and look for your
>>> dog, it won't know where it is or where it is going to get its next
>>> meal.
>
> Baxter wrote:
>> A lot of people have faith that if tRump becomes Presidend, he will
>> do the Right Things and help the country and it's people - that's not
>> faith, that's stupidity.
>
>> Others have faith that tRump as President will destroy the country
>> and hurt the people they don't like - is that the faith you want?
>
> You have a lot of faith in your opinion, fella.
>
> What is probably the truth? Whatever president you get, it will be
> more of the same. Now there is a sensible probability to put your
> faith in, Baxter.

We've heard this "just the same" bullshit before. tRump is nothing like
Biden, and Project 2025 is proof his second administration would be pure
hell for most people.

>
> By the way, have you found your believer-less lost dog yet? It is
> probably standing dead still, like a cardboard cutout somewhere, not
> knowing what to do.
>
> Dogs think (an animal) and to do that, they need to
> believe...something.
>
> I wish you would make a move! :-).

Just because an animal occasionally behaves in a manner you might think
is faith, does not mean faith is the basis of their lives, And don't
just stop with dogs - there's plenty of other animals, some with brains
too small to form a thought - they follow their biological programming -
no faith is require.

you are a fraud, you come here, misusing the term, and can't support any
of the bullshit you spew.

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote
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> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
wrote
>>in
>>
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>>ing.dwarf.com:
>>
>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote in message
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>>>>cking.dwarf.com...
>>>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.
@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote in message
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>sucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>>> [Default] Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) posted some
>>>>>>>>news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>>> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>>>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>>>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>>>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>>>>He made;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not, dumb fuck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RELIGION: the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or
>>>>>>> powers, especially a God or gods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is one definition, but hardly the only one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I suppose the first step is for us establish what is meant by
>>>>>>religion. At it's base religion is a belief in a set of organized
>>>>>>concepts. That may include or not, the concept of superior
>>>>>>entities, special abilities, granting of wishes, with powers and
>>>>>>capabilities beyond our comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>> It usually involves a deity.
>>>>
>>>>Usually, but that doesn't mean exclusively.
>>>>
>>>>After all, we have atheist churches....
>>>
>>> Given that a church is "a building for public and especially
Christian
>>> worship" what would atheists be "worshipping?"
>>>
>>> No, there is no such thing as an atheist church. They might CALL it a
>>> "church." An atheist clubhouse, maybe.
>>>
>>
>>Many Unitarian Universalist churches are considered atheist - they are
>>humanistic and don't do �beliefs� but agree to support social justice.
>
> Unitarian Universalists have many ways of naming what is sacred. Some
> believe in a God; some don�t believe in a God. Some believe in a
> sacred force at work in the world, and call it �love,� �mystery,�
> �source of all� or �spirit of life.�
> https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe/higher-power
>
> So it's a church for the Unitarians who worship, then, isn't it, you
> stupid fuck?
>

So you lied when you said "there is no such thing as an atheist church".
I'd ask if you were off your meds, but it's clear your brain was eaten by
a worm.

On 11/07/2024 9:00 am, Baxter wrote:
> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
> news:v6n0em$22boi$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/07/2024 12:41 am, Baxter wrote:
>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>> news:v6kuia $1o7d9$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/07/2024 1:05 pm, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v6kghh$1h7n1$8@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it had faith in its rescuers based on what it believed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dogs do not have the mental capacity for belief. You're projecting
>>>>> - antropomorphic.
>>
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>> No one is saying that. By the way, you better go and look for your
>>>> dog, it won't know where it is or where it is going to get its next
>>>> meal.
>>
>> Baxter wrote:
>>> A lot of people have faith that if tRump becomes Presidend, he will
>>> do the Right Things and help the country and it's people - that's not
>>> faith, that's stupidity.
>>
>>> Others have faith that tRump as President will destroy the country
>>> and hurt the people they don't like - is that the faith you want?
>>
>> You have a lot of faith in your opinion, fella.
>>
>> What is probably the truth? Whatever president you get, it will be
>> more of the same. Now there is a sensible probability to put your
>> faith in, Baxter.
>
> We've heard this "just the same" bullshit before. tRump is nothing like
> Biden, and Project 2025 is proof his second administration would be pure
> hell for most people.

So you believe. Why? Everything is a belief—human consciousness and to a
lessor degree, animal.

Have you got it yet?

>> By the way, have you found your believer-less lost dog yet? It is
>> probably standing dead still, like a cardboard cutout somewhere, not
>> knowing what to do.
>>
>> Dogs think (an animal) and to do that, they need to
>> believe...something.
>>
>> I wish you would make a move! :-).
>
> Just because an animal occasionally behaves in a manner you might think
> is faith,

It is not "occasional," an animal is habitual based on its belief and
then, in the case of the dog, it faithfully follows after that basic belief.

It has a brain, Baxter.

> does not mean faith is the basis of their lives,

We are not talking about humanistic awareness on a par with an animal,
Baxter. It is just like a brain; a human has a brain, a dog has a brain.
They are imprinted with a belief as a course of reality in navigating
life as we experience on this earth.

However, the human experience is on a much higher level of consciousness
because we are made in the image (characteristics) of our Creator, but
the ===>>> basic <<<=== (fundamental) tenet of belief applies (is
foundational) just as it does with an animal.

> And don't
> just stop with dogs - there's plenty of other animals, some with brains
> too small to form a thought - they follow their biological programming -
> no faith is require.

> you are a fraud, you come here, misusing the term, and can't support any
> of the bullshit you spew.

What I say doesn't agree with you so I am a fraud? :-). You almost sound
like a religious zealot with a bible in his hand. :-). You choose to
believe what you say about me based on the misguided faith you place in
yourself.

There is no wisely considered evidence of the evil you say about me in
what I say, Mr Prove-it.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 10:08:56 -0400, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

<snip>
>
>Seems like it. It's just a different faith.. I mean they even have their own
>churches. So either they are lying about their lack of faith or they are
>committing tax evasion and should go to jail.
>
>> Even the hardened Kevrob atheist admitted he leaves the door ever so
>> slightly open, which was honest.
>
>True, you have to give him that. I tend to be more of an agnostic type of
>person. I would acknowledge the possibility of one or more entities which
>would be god like, but currently we have no true evidence of such being(s).

We don't currently have any true evidence of the existence of pink
garden unicorns. Are you agnostic about their existence?

>However, if our thoughts about the size of the Universe is anywhere close to
>being true, and the time that the Universe is thought to have existed..
>there could be entities that are as far above us, as we are above ants.

Is it possible, in your opinion, to rule out the existence of certain
*types* of gods? For example we know there can be no omnipotent omni-
benevolent god of the Christian sort out there, since believers in
that kind of god can't explain the existence of suffering.

>So who is to say otherwise? We do things today that in the middle ages would
>have you burned at the stake for being a witch/warlock as it would seem like
>magic.
>
>> I like you, somewhat, you have a certain amount of objectivity and logic
>> in you. Baxter, well, not so much.
>
>I try to objective and logical, don't always succeed, but I do attempt it.
>Which is why I pester Baxter so much on his claims that lack any proof or
>even reasonable basis. Further I dislike how he dismissed contrary evidence
>and proofs that conflict with his beliefs. We should be able to establish
>what we know to be true.. and then accept the rest is a matter of faith.
>What is amusing about Baxter is that even in his faith.. he regularly
>contradicts himself.
>

In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
news:v6n687$22boj$8@dont-email.me:

> On 11/07/2024 9:00 am, Baxter wrote:
>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>> news:v6n0em$22boi$1@dont-email.me:

>>> What is probably the truth? Whatever president you get, it will be
>>> more of the same. Now there is a sensible probability to put your
>>> faith in, Baxter.
>>
>> We've heard this "just the same" bullshit before. tRump is nothing
>> like Biden, and Project 2025 is proof his second administration would
>> be pure hell for most people.
>
> So you believe. Why? Everything is a belief—human consciousness and
> to a lessor degree, animal.
>
> Have you got it yet?

Oh, I've got that you're a con artists spewing fraudulent bullshit in a
usenet group that has nothing at all to do with what you profess.

>>
>> Just because an animal occasionally behaves in a manner you might
>> think is faith,
>
> It is not "occasional," an animal is habitual based on its belief and
> then, in the case of the dog, it faithfully follows after that basic
> belief.
>
> It has a brain, Baxter.

Animals have entirely different worlds than we do. What you might
ascribe to "faith" the dog is operating from scent and memory.

>
>
>> does not mean faith is the basis of their lives,
>
> We are not talking about humanistic awareness on a par with an animal,
> Baxter. It is just like a brain; a human has a brain, a dog has a
> brain. They are imprinted with a belief as a course of reality in
> navigating life as we experience on this earth.

Not all animals have a brain capable of any kind of thought - yet you
claim they opperat ALL of their life on "faith".

You're just a tiresome fraud.

You are just trolling your own fraudulent belief, Baxter, and making a
straw man out of some fictional humanistic animal faith claim.

You don't hear because you don't want to hear. So, there is little point
in me explaining any further.

Your self-created all-knowingness to nowhere has to remain.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"

[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
>in
>news:cd2u8jtqmtkpi8h4g0qf48mgpor99tbetc@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
>ing.dwarf.com:
>
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>wrote
>>>in
>>>
>news:3irs8j9aqnm71f8gd74s5pjo1u2ft6lv2a@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
>>>ing.dwarf.com:
>>>
>>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote in message
>>>>>
>news:1i3o8jt8rv7jue23eg03vfm0g37pbn0t5c@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>>>>cking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.
>@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>news:go6m8jpjskdun1f63ru1sfaine1en6fp5b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock
>>>>>>>sucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>>>> [Default] Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) posted some
>>>>>>>>>news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>>>>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>>>>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>>>>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>>>>>He made;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not, dumb fuck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RELIGION: the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or
>>>>>>>> powers, especially a God or gods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is one definition, but hardly the only one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I suppose the first step is for us establish what is meant by
>>>>>>>religion. At it's base religion is a belief in a set of organized
>>>>>>>concepts. That may include or not, the concept of superior
>>>>>>>entities, special abilities, granting of wishes, with powers and
>>>>>>>capabilities beyond our comprehension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It usually involves a deity.
>>>>>
>>>>>Usually, but that doesn't mean exclusively.
>>>>>
>>>>>After all, we have atheist churches....
>>>>
>>>> Given that a church is "a building for public and especially
>Christian
>>>> worship" what would atheists be "worshipping?"
>>>>
>>>> No, there is no such thing as an atheist church. They might CALL it a
>>>> "church." An atheist clubhouse, maybe.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Many Unitarian Universalist churches are considered atheist - they are
>>>humanistic and don't do “beliefs” but agree to support social justice.
>>
>> Unitarian Universalists have many ways of naming what is sacred. Some
>> believe in a God; some don’t believe in a God. Some believe in a
>> sacred force at work in the world, and call it “love,” “mystery,”
>> “source of all” or “spirit of life.”
>> https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe/higher-power
>>
>> So it's a church for the Unitarians who worship, then, isn't it, you
>> stupid fuck?
>>
>
>So you lied when you said "there is no such thing as an atheist church".

There isn't, as I JUST explained to you, you stupid, brain-damaged
freak.

"Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB1AB7F2475B95629555@185.151.15.160...
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:v6m78d$1v0jr$8@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1AA828AE711629555@185.151.15.190...
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:v6jl2l $1ebn2$20@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1A9D7EAF3E86629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote in news:lf3kckFcicnU1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 11:37:20 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure, if we all walked in truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! That is quite the babbling signature you have. It seems to
>>>>>> say, "Hate people that do not believe as I do!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That IS what the Bible requires..............
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Death to Followers of Other Religions
>>>>> (Exodus 22:19)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kill Nonbelievers
>>>>> (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kill Followers of Other Religions.
>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
>>>>
>>>> You mean the bible written by PEOPLE?
>>>
>>>
>>> "God's Holy Word"
>>>
>>> "Divinely Inspired"
>>>
>>> "Holy Writ"
>>
>> So written by people.. possibly even delusional people, and that's
>> suppose to be accepted blindly and without question?
>>
>> What about when the Bible contradicts itself.. how are we suppose to
>> take that if we can't accept that the authors are flawed human beings
>> and thus the Bible is imperfect?
>
>
> Take that up with Pastor Hartung, he
> runs away every time I ask him these sorts
> of questions.

I'm taking it up with YOU.. you're the one claiming the Bible has to be
blindly obeyed.

"Vincent Maycock" <maycock@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h28u8j98e8hm2gq7c61djiqbdeqvb0mbs9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 10:08:56 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>>Seems like it. It's just a different faith.. I mean they even have their
>>own
>>churches. So either they are lying about their lack of faith or they are
>>committing tax evasion and should go to jail.
>>
>>> Even the hardened Kevrob atheist admitted he leaves the door ever so
>>> slightly open, which was honest.
>>
>>True, you have to give him that. I tend to be more of an agnostic type of
>>person. I would acknowledge the possibility of one or more entities which
>>would be god like, but currently we have no true evidence of such
>>being(s).
>
> We don't currently have any true evidence of the existence of pink
> garden unicorns. Are you agnostic about their existence?

Yep. If you believe in them and it makes you happy, and doesn't harm anyone
else. Go for it.
After all, in all the Universe there well could be something we might call a
pink garden unicorn.. or there could not.

With up to 2 trillion galaxies in the universe that we know of or suspect,
and each galaxy having about 100 Billion stars be galaxy, and if we assume
1.6 planets per star.. and then if we assume only 0.1% of those are
habitable, and only 0.1% of those are inhabited.. That leaves a LOT of room
for a pink garden unicorn to exist or not.

>>However, if our thoughts about the size of the Universe is anywhere close
>>to
>>being true, and the time that the Universe is thought to have existed..
>>there could be entities that are as far above us, as we are above ants.
>
> Is it possible, in your opinion, to rule out the existence of certain
> *types* of gods?

Depends on what type you're talking about.

> For example we know there can be no omnipotent omni-
> benevolent god of the Christian sort out there

Depends are you talking true omnipotence or something so far in advance of
our civilization at the point of contact to appear so?
Further, from my readings God is not omni-benevolent, in fact in some ways
God seems quite selfish, particularly when it comes worship.
See Exodus 20:3-5/6 depending on which version you use.

Of course that is somewhat contradicted by claims there are no other Gods
while at the same time declaring there shall be no Gods before him.

So, yea, there is a lot of wiggle room there. I certainly know of no claim
of omnipotence or omni-benevolence from the Biblical God.
I mean he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for a rather petty reason by a few of
the people who lived there. Hardly seems omni-benevolent to me.
I mean consider endless eternal damnation for limited and very finite
offenses... Does that sound like being omni-benevolent?
Yes, the Bible is full of such contradictions within itself and within
religions teachings of it.
Now perhaps in God's view his is both.. but from ours, not so much.

, since believers in
> that kind of god can't explain the existence of suffering.
>
>>So who is to say otherwise? We do things today that in the middle ages
>>would
>>have you burned at the stake for being a witch/warlock as it would seem
>>like
>>magic.
>>
>>> I like you, somewhat, you have a certain amount of objectivity and logic
>>> in you. Baxter, well, not so much.
>>
>>I try to objective and logical, don't always succeed, but I do attempt it.
>>Which is why I pester Baxter so much on his claims that lack any proof or
>>even reasonable basis. Further I dislike how he dismissed contrary
>>evidence
>>and proofs that conflict with his beliefs. We should be able to establish
>>what we know to be true.. and then accept the rest is a matter of faith.
>>What is amusing about Baxter is that even in his faith.. he regularly
>>contradicts himself.
>>

"Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
news:XnsB1AB814D77A8E629555@185.151.15.160...
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:v6m78m
> $1v0jr$20@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1AA83C20B73C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:v6jl2r
>>> $1ebn2$28@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1A9D16A65FE629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:v6htj8$12l5j$3
>>> @dont-
>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:668c3812$0$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB1A98B6E059CF629555@185.151.15.190>,
> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:668c2930$0$1895499$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB1A97F3606ECE629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>> > says...
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> >> news:668becab$0$2422120 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > In article <XnsB1A8D17FD1299629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>> >> > noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> >> >> news:668b191e$0$3620720$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> > In article <v6f2io$gjqe$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>>>>> >> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>> >> >> > says...
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> news:v6etbq$42s$5@toxic.dizum.net:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > posted some news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>He made;
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>know.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Nope.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> =========
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> While there are some religions that are atheistic
> (certain
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> atheism is a religion. To put it in a more humorous way:
>>> If
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> atheism is a
>>>>>>>> >> religion,
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-
> atheism/
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ============
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> > It is and your cites are biased.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Everything that proves you wrong is biased.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > But if I post something from Fox or RSNB or something you
>>> claim
>>>>>>>> >> > it's biased.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Fox News ADMITS they are biased shills for Trump.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Off the air, Fox News stars blasted
>>>>>>>> >> the election fraud claims they peddled
>>>>>>>> >> FEBRUARY 16, 2023
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157558299/fox-news-stars-
> false-
>>>>> clai
>>>>>>>> >> ms- trump-election-2020
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > So?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fox lies for Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They admit they lie for Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSM and the white house has been lying about Joe for 3 years. Do
> you
>>>>>>> have a point to make?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They been saying tRump good, Biden bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't it fun watching Fox News cringe
>>>>> while reporting on the latest job creation
>>>>
>>>> US Unemployment Rate (I:USUR)
>>>> US Unemployment Rate is at 4.10%, compared to 4.00% last month and
>>> 3.60%
>>>> last year.
>>>
>>>
>>> Biden brought the Trump 6.4% rate
>>> down to 3.6% and you are complaining?
>>
>> Average Yearly Inflation
>
>
> We were talking about unemployment.

Yea, and how many people have LEFT the job market under Biden and are no
longer even counted as unemployed?

Further let's dig a bit deeper into the job market and see what's really
going on.

"In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:v6mvik$22boj$2@dont-email.me...
> On 11/07/2024 12:10 am, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:v6kepm$1icjq$6@dont-email.me...
>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>> news:v6kcae$1h7n0$3@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/07/2024 1:00 am, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v6iapj $1854p$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/07/2024 1:00 am, Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does breathing air depend on belief?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps NASA is the one to ask?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do animals operate from belief? Or do they just go about their
>>>>> business without any of this "belief" bullshit?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, all animals operate on belief or they wouldn't survive.
>>>
>>> Prove that an animal has faith.
>>
>> Animals waiting years in a specific spot for their owners to return
>> somewhere.
>>
>> If that isn't faith, what would you call it?
>
> Faith is based on belief.
>
> Baxter believes he can post an intelligent remarks on the newsgroups. He
> has great faith. :-).
>
> Baxter is trying to contrast our consciousness with a dog's consciousness.
> They are obviously not the same, but the existence of simple "belief" is
> present in animals; they can't survive without it.
>
> Imagine a lion who didn't believe he could catch that antelope; he'd
> starve to death.

Bravo.. well put.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v6n3pu$23nfn$2@dont-email.me...
> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
> news:v6n0em$22boi$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/07/2024 12:41 am, Baxter wrote:
>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>> news:v6kuia $1o7d9$2@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/07/2024 1:05 pm, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v6kghh$1h7n1$8@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it had faith in its rescuers based on what it believed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dogs do not have the mental capacity for belief. You're projecting
>>>>> - antropomorphic.
>>
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>> No one is saying that. By the way, you better go and look for your
>>>> dog, it won't know where it is or where it is going to get its next
>>>> meal.
>>
>> Baxter wrote:
>>> A lot of people have faith that if tRump becomes Presidend, he will
>>> do the Right Things and help the country and it's people - that's not
>>> faith, that's stupidity.
>>
>>> Others have faith that tRump as President will destroy the country
>>> and hurt the people they don't like - is that the faith you want?
>>
>> You have a lot of faith in your opinion, fella.
>>
>> What is probably the truth? Whatever president you get, it will be
>> more of the same. Now there is a sensible probability to put your
>> faith in, Baxter.
>
> We've heard this "just the same" bullshit before. tRump is nothing like
> Biden, and Project 2025 is proof his second administration would be pure
> hell for most people.

Well, after Biden we are use to being in Hell.
Illegal aliens taking jobs from American workers
People having to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet
Throw in the largest tax increase in US history, the largest deficit
spending and the largest addition to the National Debt and Biden has managed
the trifecta of poor performance.
We can't feed our own poor.. but we can put illegal immigrants up in luxury
hotels.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:v6nh0r$29d3f$4@dont-email.me...
> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
> news:v6n687$22boj$8@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 11/07/2024 9:00 am, Baxter wrote:
>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>> news:v6n0em$22boi$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>>> What is probably the truth? Whatever president you get, it will be
>>>> more of the same. Now there is a sensible probability to put your
>>>> faith in, Baxter.
>>>
>>> We've heard this "just the same" bullshit before. tRump is nothing
>>> like Biden, and Project 2025 is proof his second administration would
>>> be pure hell for most people.
>>
>> So you believe. Why? Everything is a beliefâ?"human consciousness and
>> to a lessor degree, animal.
>>
>> Have you got it yet?
>
> Oh, I've got that you're a con artists spewing fraudulent bullshit in a
> usenet group that has nothing at all to do with what you profess.

So you met someone just like you then?

"In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:v6nib3$29asn$2@dont-email.me...
> You are just trolling your own fraudulent belief, Baxter, and making a
> straw man out of some fictional humanistic animal faith claim.
>
> You don't hear because you don't want to hear. So, there is little point
> in me explaining any further.
>
> Your self-created all-knowingness to nowhere has to remain.

Well didn't take you long to figure that out.. that's about the most Baxter
is capable of anymore.

In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in news:v6nib3
$29asn$2@dont-email.me:

> You are just trolling your own fraudulent belief, Baxter, and making a
> straw man out of some fictional humanistic animal faith claim.
>
> You don't hear because you don't want to hear. So, there is little point
> in me explaining any further.
>
> Your self-created all-knowingness to nowhere has to remain.
>
ROFLMAO - I grew up in your environment. I've heard variations of all this
before. YOU ARE A FRAUD.

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote
in
news:5lfv8j9u499eicj2bnnrqvpeb2q2p7nfcg@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
ing.dwarf.com:

> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
>>wrote in
>>news:cd2u8jtqmtkpi8h4g0qf48mgpor99tbetc@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>ck ing.dwarf.com:
>>
>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>
>>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
>>wrote
>>>>in
>>>>
>>news:3irs8j9aqnm71f8gd74s5pjo1u2ft6lv2a@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>ck
>>>>ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>
>>>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude"
>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>news:1i3o8jt8rv7jue23eg03vfm0g37pbn0t5c@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
>>>>>>cking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>>> [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.
>>@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>news:go6m8jpjskdun1f63ru1sfaine1en6fp5b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock
>>>>>>>>sucking.dwarf.com...
>>>>>>>>> [Default] Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) posted
>>>>>>>>>>some news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>>>>>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>>>>>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>>>>>>He made;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No it's not, dumb fuck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RELIGION: the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or
>>>>>>>>> powers, especially a God or gods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is one definition, but hardly the only one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I suppose the first step is for us establish what is meant by
>>>>>>>>religion. At it's base religion is a belief in a set of
>>>>>>>>organized concepts. That may include or not, the concept of
>>>>>>>>superior entities, special abilities, granting of wishes, with
>>>>>>>>powers and capabilities beyond our comprehension.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It usually involves a deity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Usually, but that doesn't mean exclusively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After all, we have atheist churches....
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that a church is "a building for public and especially
>>Christian
>>>>> worship" what would atheists be "worshipping?"
>>>>>
>>>>> No, there is no such thing as an atheist church. They might CALL
>>>>> it a "church." An atheist clubhouse, maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Many Unitarian Universalist churches are considered atheist - they
>>>>are humanistic and don't do �beliefs� but agree to support social
>>>>justice.
>>>
>>> Unitarian Universalists have many ways of naming what is sacred.
>>> Some believe in a God; some don�t believe in a God. Some believe in
>>> a sacred force at work in the world, and call it �love,� �mystery,�
>>> �source of all� or �spirit of life.�
>>> https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe/higher-power
>>>
>>> So it's a church for the Unitarians who worship, then, isn't it, you
>>> stupid fuck?
>>>
>>
>>So you lied when you said "there is no such thing as an atheist
>>church".
>
> There isn't, as I JUST explained to you, you stupid, brain-damaged
> freak.
>
So,,, a church is not a church in your bizarro universe.

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 09:13:14 -0400, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Vincent Maycock" <maycock@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:h28u8j98e8hm2gq7c61djiqbdeqvb0mbs9@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 10:08:56 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>Seems like it. It's just a different faith.. I mean they even have their
>>>own
>>>churches. So either they are lying about their lack of faith or they are
>>>committing tax evasion and should go to jail.
>>>
>>>> Even the hardened Kevrob atheist admitted he leaves the door ever so
>>>> slightly open, which was honest.
>>>
>>>True, you have to give him that. I tend to be more of an agnostic type of
>>>person. I would acknowledge the possibility of one or more entities which
>>>would be god like, but currently we have no true evidence of such
>>>being(s).
>>
>> We don't currently have any true evidence of the existence of pink
>> garden unicorns. Are you agnostic about their existence?
>
>Yep. If you believe in them and it makes you happy, and doesn't harm anyone
>else. Go for it.
>After all, in all the Universe there well could be something we might call a
>pink garden unicorn.. or there could not.
>
>With up to 2 trillion galaxies in the universe that we know of or suspect,
>and each galaxy having about 100 Billion stars be galaxy, and if we assume
>1.6 planets per star.. and then if we assume only 0.1% of those are
>habitable, and only 0.1% of those are inhabited.. That leaves a LOT of room
>for a pink garden unicorn to exist or not.

What about the Keebler Elves? Could *they* be lurking in a tree near
you?

>>>However, if our thoughts about the size of the Universe is anywhere close
>>>to
>>>being true, and the time that the Universe is thought to have existed..
>>>there could be entities that are as far above us, as we are above ants.
>>
>> Is it possible, in your opinion, to rule out the existence of certain
>> *types* of gods?
>
>Depends on what type you're talking about.
>
>> For example we know there can be no omnipotent omni-
>> benevolent god of the Christian sort out there
>
>Depends are you talking true omnipotence or something so far in advance of
>our civilization at the point of contact to appear so?

Either one.

>Further, from my readings God is not omni-benevolent, in fact in some ways
>God seems quite selfish, particularly when it comes worship.
>See Exodus 20:3-5/6 depending on which version you use.
>
>Of course that is somewhat contradicted by claims there are no other Gods
>while at the same time declaring there shall be no Gods before him.
>
>So, yea, there is a lot of wiggle room there. I certainly know of no claim
>of omnipotence or omni-benevolence from the Biblical God.
>I mean he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for a rather petty reason by a few of
>the people who lived there. Hardly seems omni-benevolent to me.
>I mean consider endless eternal damnation for limited and very finite
>offenses... Does that sound like being omni-benevolent?
>Yes, the Bible is full of such contradictions within itself and within
>religions teachings of it.
>Now perhaps in God's view his is both.. but from ours, not so much.
Note:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zf626yc/revision/1

So you're saying if the Christian god exists, he must be evil? I
wouldn't quarrel with that -- but since Christians are generally
unwilling to agree with a statement like that, I generally phrase it
as "the Christian god does not exist."

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:v6onj7$2g188$13@dont-email.me:

>
>
> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:XnsB1AB814D77A8E629555@185.151.15.160...
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:v6m78m $1v0jr$20@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB1AA83C20B73C629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:v6jl2r
>>>> $1ebn2$28@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB1A9D16A65FE629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:v6htj8$12l5j$3
>>>> @dont-
>>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:668c3812$0$1895503$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB1A98B6E059CF629555@185.151.15.190>,
>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:668c2930$0$1895499$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB1A97F3606ECE629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> > says...
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> >> news:668becab$0$2422120 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > In article <XnsB1A8D17FD1299629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>> >> > noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> >> >> news:668b191e$0$3620720$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> > In article <v6f2io$gjqe$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>>>>>> >> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> >> >> > says...
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Watson Herbusch <paid@x.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> news:v6etbq$42s$5@toxic.dizum.net:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > On 07 Jul 2024, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > Doctor) posted some
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > news:v6e2ig$4fj$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>is no evidence for God.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>He made;
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>know.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > Atheism is a religion.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Nope.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> =========
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> While there are some religions that are atheistic
>> (certain
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> that atheism is a religion. To put it in a more
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> humorous way:
>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> atheism is a
>>>>>>>>> >> religion,
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-
>> atheism/
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ============
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> > It is and your cites are biased.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Everything that proves you wrong is biased.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > But if I post something from Fox or RSNB or something you
>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>> >> > it's biased.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Fox News ADMITS they are biased shills for Trump.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Off the air, Fox News stars blasted
>>>>>>>>> >> the election fraud claims they peddled
>>>>>>>>> >> FEBRUARY 16, 2023
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157558299/fox-news-stars-
>> false-
>>>>>> clai
>>>>>>>>> >> ms- trump-election-2020
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > So?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fox lies for Trump.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They admit they lie for Trump.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MSM and the white house has been lying about Joe for 3 years.
>>>>>>>> Do
>> you
>>>>>>>> have a point to make?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They been saying tRump good, Biden bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it fun watching Fox News cringe
>>>>>> while reporting on the latest job creation
>>>>>
>>>>> US Unemployment Rate (I:USUR)
>>>>> US Unemployment Rate is at 4.10%, compared to 4.00% last month and
>>>> 3.60%
>>>>> last year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Biden brought the Trump 6.4% rate
>>>> down to 3.6% and you are complaining?
>>>
>>> Average Yearly Inflation
>>
>>
>> We were talking about unemployment.
>
> Yea, and how many people have LEFT the job market under Biden and are
> no longer even counted as unemployed?
>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 13:18:58 -0400, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Vincent Maycock" <maycock@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rq109jtkr3flolmv3n7luc2cugdmfc3vt6@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 09:13:14 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Vincent Maycock" <maycock@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:h28u8j98e8hm2gq7c61djiqbdeqvb0mbs9@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 10:08:56 -0400, "Scout"
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems like it. It's just a different faith.. I mean they even have their
>>>>>own
>>>>>churches. So either they are lying about their lack of faith or they are
>>>>>committing tax evasion and should go to jail.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the hardened Kevrob atheist admitted he leaves the door ever so
>>>>>> slightly open, which was honest.
>>>>>
>>>>>True, you have to give him that. I tend to be more of an agnostic type
>>>>>of
>>>>>person. I would acknowledge the possibility of one or more entities
>>>>>which
>>>>>would be god like, but currently we have no true evidence of such
>>>>>being(s).
>>>>
>>>> We don't currently have any true evidence of the existence of pink
>>>> garden unicorns. Are you agnostic about their existence?
>>>
>>>Yep. If you believe in them and it makes you happy, and doesn't harm
>>>anyone
>>>else. Go for it.
>>>After all, in all the Universe there well could be something we might call
>>>a
>>>pink garden unicorn.. or there could not.
>>>
>>>With up to 2 trillion galaxies in the universe that we know of or suspect,
>>>and each galaxy having about 100 Billion stars be galaxy, and if we assume
>>>1.6 planets per star.. and then if we assume only 0.1% of those are
>>>habitable, and only 0.1% of those are inhabited.. That leaves a LOT of
>>>room
>>>for a pink garden unicorn to exist or not.
>>
>> What about the Keebler Elves? Could *they* be lurking in a tree near
>> you?
>
>Lame evasion.

How so?

>>>>>However, if our thoughts about the size of the Universe is anywhere
>>>>>close
>>>>>to
>>>>>being true, and the time that the Universe is thought to have existed..
>>>>>there could be entities that are as far above us, as we are above ants.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible, in your opinion, to rule out the existence of certain
>>>> *types* of gods?
>>>
>>>Depends on what type you're talking about.
>>>
>>>> For example we know there can be no omnipotent omni-
>>>> benevolent god of the Christian sort out there
>>>
>>>Depends are you talking true omnipotence or something so far in advance of
>>>our civilization at the point of contact to appear so?
>>
>> Either one.
>
>Then I would put it that a civilization advanced enough to easily travel
>between the stars would appear damn near omnipotent to the people 2000 years
>ago.

True. What's your point?

>>>Further, from my readings God is not omni-benevolent, in fact in some ways
>>>God seems quite selfish, particularly when it comes worship.
>>>See Exodus 20:3-5/6 depending on which version you use.
>>>
>>>Of course that is somewhat contradicted by claims there are no other Gods
>>>while at the same time declaring there shall be no Gods before him.
>>>
>>>So, yea, there is a lot of wiggle room there. I certainly know of no claim
>>>of omnipotence or omni-benevolence from the Biblical God.
>>>I mean he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for a rather petty reason by a few
>>>of
>>>the people who lived there. Hardly seems omni-benevolent to me.
>>>I mean consider endless eternal damnation for limited and very finite
>>>offenses... Does that sound like being omni-benevolent?
>>>Yes, the Bible is full of such contradictions within itself and within
>>>religions teachings of it.
>>>Now perhaps in God's view his is both.. but from ours, not so much.
>>
>> Note:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zf626yc/revision/1
>>
>> So you're saying if the Christian god exists, he must be evil?
>
>Would depend on your point of view, wouldn't it?

What would prevent God from sharing this rather important information
with us about human suffering from his point of view?

>Even benevolence can seem like utter cruelty to the ill informed and visa
>verse.

So is this the "best of all possible worlds," in your view?

>> I
>> wouldn't quarrel with that -- but since Christians are generally
>> unwilling to agree with a statement like that, I generally phrase it
>> as "the Christian god does not exist."
>
>Well, first we would have to establish exactly what the term "Christian god"
>means and exactly how that is supported. In a discussion like that precise
>and specific meaning would need to be determined and supported. Not just
>from the view of the people saying it but also what they can support as
>being directly referenced. I mean it's nice to say God is omnipotent, but
>did God ever state that and to what if any limits, either inherent or self
>imposed.

At the very least, the Bible portrays God as being really powerful; so
we don't necessarily have to even mention the idea of omnipotence
when investigating all the suffering around us and asking why God
would allow it, if he existed.

Scout wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:v6jl2r
> >> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
....
> >>> Isn't it fun watching Fox News cringe
> >>> while reporting on the latest job creation
> >>
> >> US Unemployment Rate (I:USUR)
> >> US Unemployment Rate is at 4.10%, compared to 4.00% last month and
> > 3.60%
> >> last year.

Unemployment rates under 4.5% are unsustainably low, and
are inflationary.

> > Biden brought the Trump 6.4% rate
> > down to 3.6% and you are complaining?
>
> Average Yearly Inflation Rate by President
> An average of the year-over-year inflation rate for all months of each
> presidential term.
> Trump 2017 - 2021 1.9%
> Biden 2021 - 5.7%
>
> https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447

The post-covid inflation was caused mainly by Trump
deficit spending. Trump ran up the national debt more
than in any other term in history.

1. What did Bidin do that caused inflation?
2. What did Trump do that reduced inflation?

Answers: 1. nothing, and 2. only this: Trump appointed
Powell as Fed chairman (then quickly started attacking
him). Powell hiked interest rates around 5% in response
to inflation. In normal times this would have caused a
recession. It didn't... no rate cuts yet, and the
economy is roaring. Bidenomics, right?

You must not know that the CPI inflation numbers for June
came out today. Prices went *down* last month by 0.1%,
which is an annual rate of -1.2%. That's *negative*
inflation. Core inflation (excluding food & energy) went
up 0.2%, or about +2.4% annually.

Now tell us who gets the credit for that.

> Yea, I am complaining that Biden has an inflation rate 300% higher than
> Trump's so far.

That's a gift from Trump, not Biden.

Scout wrote:

> Further let's dig a bit deeper into the job market and see what's really
> going on.
>
> The Biden administration has turned the U.S. labor market into a temporary
> employment agency for foreigners, leaving American workers behind, and the
> administration's own data prove it. Yet instead of acknowledging this
> failure, the White house is taking victory laps on a few cherry-picked
> numbers.
>
> The May job report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) showed a
> headline number of 272,000 payrolls added, and cheerleaders for the Biden

<...>

> https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/the-job-market-looks-good-only-if-you-ignore-whats-really-going

Seriously?!? You're getting your news from the Heritage
Foundation? No wonder you are so confused.

I'm sorry you are having so much trouble finding a job.
Don't give up.

On 12/07/2024 3:37 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:v6onj4
> $2g188$8@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1AB7F2475B95629555@185.151.15.160...
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> news:v6m78d$1v0jr$8@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1AA828AE711629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:v6jl2l $1ebn2$20@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB1A9D7EAF3E86629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>> Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote in news:lf3kckFcicnU1
>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 11:37:20 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, if we all walked in truth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL! That is quite the babbling signature you have. It seems to
>>>>>>>> say, "Hate people that do not believe as I do!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That IS what the Bible requires..............
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Death to Followers of Other Religions
>>>>>>> (Exodus 22:19)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kill Nonbelievers
>>>>>>> (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
>>>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kill Followers of Other Religions.
>>>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the bible written by PEOPLE?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "God's Holy Word"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Divinely Inspired"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Holy Writ"
>>>>
>>>> So written by people.. possibly even delusional people, and that's
>>>> suppose to be accepted blindly and without question?
>>>>
>>>> What about when the Bible contradicts itself.. how are we suppose to
>>>> take that if we can't accept that the authors are flawed human beings
>>>> and thus the Bible is imperfect?
>>>
>>>
>>> Take that up with Pastor Hartung, he
>>> runs away every time I ask him these sorts
>>> of questions.
>>
>> I'm taking it up with YOU.. you're the one claiming the Bible has to be
>> blindly obeyed.
>
>
>
> Huh?
>
> What I posted above was satire.
>
> The Bible is just contradictory
> and nonsensical gobbledy-gook invented
> by illiterate goat herders to explain
> what they didn't know.

You don't get it, Mitchell.

You use the bible (e.g., your nonsensical gobbledy-gook) as your
argument and reference for your truth.

You are the greatest bible believing, non-bible believing, atheist I
know. :-).

In the Name of Jesus

>
>
> "The Christian system of religion is
> an outrage on common sense."
> -- Thomas Paine
>
>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Vincent Maycock" wrote in message news:q0709j5rrn8aj7t2d2s44stoo8p2pjj7b0@4ax.com...
> At the very least, the Bible portrays God as being really powerful; so
> we don't necessarily have to even mention the idea of omnipotence
> when investigating all the suffering around us and asking why God
> would allow it, if he existed.

The suffering, sorrow, pain and death in this realm are all temporary.

In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in news:v6pi30
$2knpg$1@dont-email.me:

> On 12/07/2024 3:37 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:

>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> What I posted above was satire.
>>
>> The Bible is just contradictory
>> and nonsensical gobbledy-gook invented
>> by illiterate goat herders to explain
>> what they didn't know.
>
> You don't get it, Mitchell.
>
> You use the bible (e.g., your nonsensical gobbledy-gook) as your
> argument and reference for your truth.
>
> You are the greatest bible believing, non-bible believing, atheist I
> know. :-).
>
Michaelmclean, what YOU don't get is he's using YOUR "inerrant" source
against you.