"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v6e6ec$buc2$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>>"Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>> Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
>>>
>>> He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
>>> nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
>>> scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard fallacious
>>> arguments that because Western Civilization was influenced by
>>> Christianity that such makes Christianity true. After this he drifts
>>> into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics followed by the standard
>>> nihilistic appeals, and basically because "atheism sucks" therefore God
>>> must exist, and by believing, one can live "the good life".
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>>Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:
>>
>>One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>want God in their life. Not because there
>>is no evidence for God.
>>
>>Because evidence for our most awesome
>>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>He made;
>>
>>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>know.
>
> Andrew,
>
> I am still waiting

I see.

> on that instantaneous healing

You want to see some "miracle".

But the Bible tells us that the
'Devil' can perform miracles.

> of an adult amputee.

Jesus raised a number of dead
people to life again. One who
had been dead for four days.

> Maybe today will be the day!!

Now is the 'Day of Salvation',
and time is quickly running
out.

> I kind of doubt it, though.

If your reject the evidence that is
already available to you, then it
is unlikely anything else would
change your mind.

>
> Dawn

Which brings us back to our little ~ axiom..................

"One becomes an atheist when they do not want God in
their life. Not because there is no evidence for God.....
because evidence for Him is there in the very *creation*
that He made, and is evident for anyone who wants to
know."

Thank you.

~Andrew

On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 15:12:06 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net>
wrote:

>> on that instantaneous healing
>
>You want to see some "miracle".
>
>But the Bible tells us that the
>'Devil' can perform miracles.

The bible says some Jew walked across liquid water. Maybe it was frozen
water. I wasn't there.

On 7/7/2024 5:12 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v6e6ec$buc2$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>> Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
>>>>
>>>> He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
>>>> nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
>>>> scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard
>>>> fallacious arguments that because Western Civilization was
>>>> influenced by Christianity that such makes Christianity true.  After
>>>> this he drifts into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics followed
>>>> by the standard nihilistic appeals, and basically because "atheism
>>>> sucks" therefore God must exist, and by believing, one can live "the
>>>> good life".
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:
>>>
>>> One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>> want God in their life. Not because there is no evidence for God.
>>> Because evidence for our most awesome
>>> Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>> He made;
>>> And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>> know.
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> I am still waiting
>
> I see.
>
>> on that instantaneous healing
>
> You want to see some "miracle".
> But the Bible tells us that the
> 'Devil' can perform miracles.
>

How do you know that Jesus was not some sort of demonic being out to
deceive people from the Truth? Or, maybe some advanced alien being who
was playing a trick with Humanity??

>> of an adult amputee.
>
> Jesus raised a number of dead
> people to life again. One who
> had been dead for four days.

And, your source(s) for this? Please do not cite any Gospels; they were
not historical.

>> Maybe today will be the day!!
>
> Now is the 'Day of Salvation',
> and time is quickly running
> out.
>
>> I kind of doubt it, though.
>
> If your reject the evidence that is already available to you, then it is
> unlikely anything else would change your mind.

This is utterly and absolutely false.

>
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Which brings us back to our little ~ axiom..................
>
> "One becomes an atheist when they do not want God in  their life. Not
> because there is no evidence for God.....  because evidence for Him is
> there in the very *creation*
>  that He made, and is evident for anyone who wants to
>  know."
>
> Thank you.
>

I would love to meet God's acquaintance, if He really does exist! But,
per you, I have to wait until I am dead for that to happen.

Dawn

On 8/07/2024 8:59 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 7/7/2024 5:12 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v6e6ec$buc2$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
>>>>>
>>>>> He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
>>>>> nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
>>>>> scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard
>>>>> fallacious arguments that because Western Civilization was
>>>>> influenced by Christianity that such makes Christianity true.
>>>>> After this he drifts into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics
>>>>> followed by the standard nihilistic appeals, and basically because
>>>>> "atheism sucks" therefore God must exist, and by believing, one can
>>>>> live "the good life".
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:
>>>>
>>>> One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>> want God in their life. Not because there is no evidence for God.
>>>> Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>> Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>> He made;
>>>> And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I am still waiting
>>
>> I see.
>>
>>> on that instantaneous healing
>>
>> You want to see some "miracle".
>> But the Bible tells us that the
>> 'Devil' can perform miracles.
>>
>
> How do you know that Jesus was not some sort of demonic being out to
> deceive people from the Truth?  Or, maybe some advanced alien being who
> was playing a trick with Humanity??
>
>>> of an adult amputee.
>>
>> Jesus raised a number of dead
>> people to life again. One who
>> had been dead for four days.
>
> And, your source(s) for this?  Please do not cite any Gospels; they were
> not historical.
>
>>> Maybe today will be the day!!
>>
>> Now is the 'Day of Salvation',
>> and time is quickly running
>> out.
>>
>>> I kind of doubt it, though.
>>
>> If your reject the evidence that is already available to you, then it
>> is unlikely anything else would change your mind.
>
> This is utterly and absolutely false.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Which brings us back to our little ~ axiom..................
>>
>> "One becomes an atheist when they do not want God in  their life. Not
>> because there is no evidence for God.....  because evidence for Him is
>> there in the very *creation*
>>   that He made, and is evident for anyone who wants to
>>   know."
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
> I would love to meet God's acquaintance, if He really does exist!  But,
> per you, I have to wait until I am dead for that to happen.
>
> Dawn

So, you don't need Andrew? What's stopping you, then?

The problem with you, Dawn, is that you don't want there to be a God
because you believe He quenches your will to do whatever you want.

He does; He has to because you are clueless as to what is good for you.

Such it is to be a parent.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

On Jul 7, 2024, Andrew wrote
(in article <ToEiO.55013$jB6b.5803@fx12.ams4>):

> "One becomes an atheist when they do not want God in
> their life. Not because there is no evidence for God.....
> because evidence for Him is there in the very *creation*
> that He made, and is evident for anyone who wants to
> know."
>
> Thank you.
>
> > Andrew

That is not true, many believe there is a God but follow other gods, or deny
all gods access to their lives.

Atheists chose to claim there is no god, yet the subject and existence of God
preoccupies their minds.

Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote
> > Andrew wrote:
> >>"Dawn Flood" wrote:
> >>> Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
> >>>
> >>> He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
> >>> nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
> >>> scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard fallacious
> >>> arguments that because Western Civilization was influenced by
> >>> Christianity that such makes Christianity true. After this he drifts
> >>> into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics followed by the standard
> >>> nihilistic appeals, and basically because "atheism sucks" therefore God
> >>> must exist, and by believing, one can live "the good life".
> >>>
> >>> Dawn
> >>
> >>Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:

Your "axiom" is merely an unsupported assertion.

An axiom must be falsifiable, and survive the test of
time.

> >>One becomes an atheist when they do not
> >>want God in their life. Not because there
> >>is no evidence for God.
> >>
> >>Because evidence for our most awesome
> >>Creator is there in the very *creation* that
> >>He made;
> >>
> >>And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
> >>know.
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > I am still waiting
>
> I see.
>
> > on that instantaneous healing
>
> You want to see some "miracle".
>
> But the Bible tells us that the
> 'Devil' can perform miracles.

If there's a miracle, there's a god. Doesn't matter
which one.

> > of an adult amputee.
>
> Jesus raised a number of dead
> people to life again. One who
> had been dead for four days.

No he didn't.

> If your reject the evidence that is
> already available to you, then it
> is unlikely anything else would
> change your mind.

So you're saying you have nothing that's more convincing
than the bible.

IOW, nothing.

> Which brings us back to our little ~ axiom..................

You mean *your* little ~axiom, all decorated in semiotic
applesauce.

BTW, if you repeat something 6 times, do you start
believing it yourself?

On Jul 7, 2024, Dawn Flood wrote
(in article <v6f6kq$hak8$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 7/7/2024 5:12 PM, Andrew wrote:
> > "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v6e6ec$buc2$1@dont-email.me...
> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > "Dawn Flood" wrote:
> > > > > Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
> > > > >
> > > > > He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
> > > > > nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
> > > > > scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard
> > > > > fallacious arguments that because Western Civilization was
> > > > > influenced by Christianity that such makes Christianity true. After
> > > > > this he drifts into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics followed
> > > > > by the standard nihilistic appeals, and basically because "atheism
> > > > > sucks" therefore God must exist, and by believing, one can live "the
> > > > > good life".
> > > > >
> > > > > Dawn
> > > >
> > > > Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:
> > > >
> > > > One becomes an atheist when they do not
> > > > want God in their life. Not because there is no evidence for God.
> > > > Because evidence for our most awesome
> > > > Creator is there in the very *creation* that
> > > > He made;
> > > > And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
> > > > know.
> > >
> > > Andrew,
> > >
> > > I am still waiting
> >
> > I see.
> >
> > > on that instantaneous healing
> >
> > You want to see some "miracle".
> > But the Bible tells us that the
> > 'Devil' can perform miracles.
>
> How do you know that Jesus was not some sort of demonic being out to
> deceive people from the Truth? Or, maybe some advanced alien being who
> was playing a trick with Humanity??
>
> > > of an adult amputee.
> >
> > Jesus raised a number of dead
> > people to life again. One who
> > had been dead for four days.
>
> And, your source(s) for this? Please do not cite any Gospels; they were
> not historical.

Oh but they are as witnessed by nonbelievers in history such as Josephus, a
“jewish” historian as well as Tactus. A Roman historian, who also wrote
about Pontius Pilate and Jesus.
>
>
> > > Maybe today will be the day!!
> >
> > Now is the 'Day of Salvation',
> > and time is quickly running
> > out.
> >
> > > I kind of doubt it, though.
> >
> > If your reject the evidence that is already available to you, then it is
> > unlikely anything else would change your mind.
>
> This is utterly and absolutely false.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Dawn
> >
> > Which brings us back to our little ~ axiom..................
> >
> > "One becomes an atheist when they do not want God in their life. Not
> > because there is no evidence for God..... because evidence for Him is
> > there in the very *creation*
> > that He made, and is evident for anyone who wants to
> > know."
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> I would love to meet God's acquaintance, if He really does exist! But,
> per you, I have to wait until I am dead for that to happen.
>
> Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v6f6kq$hak8$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Here is the video; it's only 15 minutes:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrIvwPConv0
>>>>>
>>>>> He basically starts off with the tiresome, "Out of nothing comes
>>>>> nothing, therefore God" argument followed by appealing to believing
>>>>> scientists who died centuries ago and then to the standard
>>>>> fallacious arguments that because Western Civilization was
>>>>> influenced by Christianity that such makes Christianity true. After
>>>>> this he drifts into the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" apologetics followed
>>>>> by the standard nihilistic appeals, and basically because "atheism
>>>>> sucks" therefore God must exist, and by believing, one can live "the
>>>>> good life".
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Dawn, here is an axiom for you to learn:
>>>>
>>>> One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>> want God in their life. Not because there is
>>>> no evidence for God.
>>>>
>>>> Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>> Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>> He made; And is evident for ~anyone~
>>>> who wants to know.
>>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> I am still waiting
>>
>> I see.
>>
>>> on that instantaneous healing
>>
>> You want to see some "miracle".
>> But the Bible tells us that the
>> 'Devil' can perform miracles.
>
> How do you know that Jesus was not some sort of demonic being out to
> deceive people from the Truth? Or, maybe some advanced alien being who
> was playing a trick with Humanity??

Because Jesus was the fulfillment of all
the prophecies that foretold His coming.

He also arose from the tomb after being
crucified, exactly as He said He.would be.

We have witnesses, as well as scientific
evidence of this..

However you have freedom to reject all
of this evidence, and then eventually die
in your sins.

"you will die in your sins. For if you
do not believe that I am he, you will
die in your sins.” ~ John 8:24

"The one who rejects me and does
not receive my words has a judge;
the word that I have spoken will
judge him on the last day."
~ John 12:48