On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:49:59 -0400
Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote:

> Le 2024-06-25 à 08:23, burning fartgas balls a écrit :
> > On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:37:46 -0700
> > a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I am convinced that the USA did send multiple missions with
> >> American astronauts that landed on the moon and returned.
> >
> > Your ancestors were convinced that burning babies in a bonfire would appease the wrath of your sun god and ensure a good harvest.
> >
> > The moon landing hoax is the same sun god (Apollo) using different mind tricks.
> >
> > There is a devil (Apollo) and you are worshiping it.
> >
> Apollo is NOT a Sun god, but the god of MEDICINE as well as the
> MESSENGER of the gods of the Roman pantheon.
> Apollo never required any live sacrifices.
>
> Get your religions straight and stop pooping your blatant lies.

You say, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." History says the opposite. They absolutely do consider Apollo to be their sun god, as shown below in quotes. It is you who needs to iron out the wrinkles in religions.

First proof of Apollo as sun god:

"In spaceflight, the 1960s and 1970s NASA program for orbiting and landing astronauts on the Moon was named after Apollo, by NASA manager Abe Silverstein:
Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program. — Abe Silverstein, Release 69-36"

Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

Second proof of Apollo as sun god:

"Apollo has a unique connection to modern culture through space travel. Drawing on his association with the sun (an association that, contrary to popular belief, did not enter Apollo’s theology until relatively late), NASA named their famous moon-bound space program after Apollo. They hoped to emulate the exceptionally accurate archer in their journey to the moon." {https://mythopedia.com/topics/apollo}

Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

By, "relatively late" the author considers 500 BC to be 'relatively late' in the long history of Apollo worship. Apollo has been variously represented as a sun god for over 2500 years. For you to call that a lie, makes you the liar!

Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

Even more historians know and express the connection between Apollo and Helios as the same sun-god.

Third proof of Apollo as sun god:

"Phoebus-Apollo was the god of light in a twofold signification: first, as representing the great orb of day which illumines the world; and secondly, as the heavenly light which animates the soul of man. He inherited his function as sun-god from Helios, with whom, in later times, he was so completely identified, that the personality of the one became gradually merged in that of the other. We, accordingly, find Helios frequently confounded with Apollo, myths belonging to the former attributed to the latter; and with some tribes—the Ionic, for instance—so complete is this identification, that Apollo is called by them Helios-Apollo." {https://thedelphiguide.com/apollo-the-greekest-of-greek-gods/}

Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

Fourth proof of Apollo as sun god:

"From the 5th century BCE, Apollo, originally a deity of radiant purity, was more and more interpreted as a sun god. Under the Roman Empire the sun itself came to be worshipped as the Unconquered Sun."

This shows that they consider Apollo the sun deity. What you say is false and ignorant. And in your pride you hold your ignorance up as wisdom.

Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

Apollo, sometimes called Helios, as the two have been often conflated for over 2500 years, has been considered by many as the sun god since at least the 5th century BC. All the Roman emperors since Augustus have iconified Apollo as Sol Invictus, the unconquerable sun, and had statues of themselves made with the rays and regalia of Apollo as the sun god. Constantine and others depcicted themselves as Apollo with his chariot riding across the sun. Circe is the Church, the daughter of Helios or Apollo.

The Heliocentrist religion is the religion of the Hermetecists. They worship the sun-god, Apollo (or Helios) and the other nine deities of the pantheon encircle and bow to their solar deity. You know these deities as the planets: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto, and the moon. These are the gods of the Hermetic pantheon who all bow to Helios or Apollo, the sun. This belief that the ancient planets 'orbit' the sun god is very ancient. A very ancient inscription shows this belief that the nine planets are 'gods' who encircle the sun god:

"141-146: Apollo, as it is prescribed for you in those books - and for this reason may every good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites - let sacrifice be made to you with nine popana, and nine cakes, and nine phthoes.. I beg and pray. [The rest as above.] Apollo, just as I have offered popana and prayed to you with proper prayer, for this same reason be honored with these sacrificial cakes. Become favorable and propitious. [The same was said concerning the phthoes. To Diana in the same words.]" {http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Cultus_Apollinis}

Notice that the offering is nine of each number, for the eight planets and the moon. This is the true origin of Heliocentrism. Heliocentrism is Satan worship. It is warfare against the true Creator God. It is the worship of the sun, moon, and stars as deities. Why else did the 'science community' name them after Greco-Roman deities, if not for the purposes of worship? Why didn't they name them after saints, or Apostles, or prophets? Why didn't they name them after kings and queens? Why pagan deities?

But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

Will Kualinar double down on his false pride, or will he be one of the few to break free from the mental prison of heliocentrism and find the true light, Jesus Christ? Or will he remain a mind slave to the god of Rome, the devil of the Bible record?

The truth has been shown to you. Decide this day between spiritual light or spiritual darkness. The earth is level and stationary. It is not a ball rocketing through a vacuum. The earth is bounded, and watched over by God and angels. The world is ruled by devil worshipers who hate the gospel because they want to be god. They will concoct any lie, any war, and crime to achieve their vile purpose. They will enlist millions of useful idiots to carry their poison message. What will you choose?

On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of
> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere,
> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is
> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly
> lights.

What does it feel like to be insane?

On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>
>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of
>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere,
>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is
>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly
>> lights.
>
> What does it feel like to be insane?

Many of them are not crazy:

https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

Dawn

On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood" <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>>
>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of
>>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
>>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere,
>>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is
>>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly
>>> lights.
>>
>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>
> Many of them are not crazy:
>
> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who TODAY
thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is round.
All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
There are many photos of the round Earth.

STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.

Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets past a
certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors and such
are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong enough to
round it out.

Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion". Facts are
facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood" <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of
>>>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
>>>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
>>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere,
>>>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is
>>>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly
>>>> lights.
>>>
>>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>>
>> Many of them are not crazy:
>>
>> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>
> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who TODAY
> thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is round.
> All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
> There are many photos of the round Earth.
>
> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
> evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.
>
> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets past a
> certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors and such
> are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong enough to
> round it out.
>
> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion". Facts are
> facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful reading of
the Bible.

Dawn

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
>>>>> burning ball of
>>>>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
>>>>> exactly as your
>>>>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
>>>>> deny what
>>>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
>>>>> sphere,
>>>>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
>>>>> Polaris is
>>>>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
>>>>> heavenly
>>>>> lights.
>>>>
>>>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>>>
>>> Many of them are not crazy:
>>>
>>> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>>>
>>
>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone who TODAY
>> thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is
>> round.
>> All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
>> There are many photos of the round Earth.
>>
>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
>> evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.
>>
>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets
>> past a
>> certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors
>> and such
>> are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong
>> enough to
>> round it out.
>>
>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
>> Facts are
>> facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>
> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>
> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
> Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful reading of
> the Bible.
>
> Dawn

if it was flat everything would walk standing up

One set of nonsense replaced with another...

What fools these bipedal apes be!

Le 2024-06-29 à 23:04, Dawn Flood a écrit :
> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>>
>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning
>>> ball of
>>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
>>> exactly as your
>>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
>>> deny what
>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
>>> sphere,
>>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
>>> Polaris is
>>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
>>> heavenly
>>> lights.
>>
>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>
> Many of them are not crazy:
>
> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>
> Dawn
That's about what peoples once believed because they didn't yet know
better, up to today's flatards who DO know better.
Those are crazy and part of a cult. Well... there are also a good deal
of grifters and frauds, especially their priests, like Eric Dubay and
Mark Sargent.

Le 2024-06-30 à 18:06, Dawn Flood a écrit :
> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
>>>>> burning ball of
>>>>> hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
>>>>> exactly as your
>>>>> eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
>>>>> deny what
>>>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
>>>>> sphere,
>>>>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
>>>>> Polaris is
>>>>> not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
>>>>> heavenly
>>>>> lights.
>>>>
>>>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>>>
>>> Many of them are not crazy:
>>>
>>> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>>
>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone who TODAY
>> thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is
>> round.
>> All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
>> There are many photos of the round Earth.
>>
>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
>> evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.
>>
>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets
>> past a
>> certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors
>> and such
>> are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong
>> enough to
>> round it out.
>>
>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
>> Facts are
>> facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>
> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>
> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
> Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful reading of
> the Bible.
>
> Dawn
The bible do not state that the Earth is flat. Some versions, red in a
particular way, can be interpreted as claiming a flat earth, but, also
imply a square shaped earth (the four corners of the earth) with the Sun
travelling under it during the night.
Flatards claim that the Sun and Moon circle above the disk shaped flat
earth.

Le 2024-06-30 à 18:31, bertietaylor a écrit :
> One set of nonsense replaced with another...
>
> What fools these bipedal apes be!
Flat earth is foolish nonsense.
Globe Earth is fact.

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...
<>
> if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
> Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
> reading of the Bible.
>
> Dawn

True if based on some isolated passage.
But not true when one sees it in context
of the whole Bible.

The maturity required to comprehend ancient tales is lacking.

Big bang is even more nonsensical.

% wrote on 1/7/24 8:10 am:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting
>>>>>> a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
>>>>>> bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
>>>>>> heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
>>>>>> you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
>>>>>> celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
>>>>>> unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light
>>>>>> years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
>>>>>> heavenly lights.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are not crazy:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>>>>
>>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone
>>> who TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round.
>>> The moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
>>> yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
>>> Earth.
>>>
>>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
>>> tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very
>>> definition of insane.
>>>
>>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
>>> gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
>>> asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
>>> the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.
>>>
>>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a
>>> "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are
>>> Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>>
>> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>>
>> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
>> stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
>> faithful reading of the Bible.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> if it was flat everything would walk standing up

Really?? So that would mean there would be no four footed/hooved creatures!!
--
Daniel

Daniel70 wrote:
> % wrote on 1/7/24 8:10 am:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
>>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting
>>>>>>> a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
>>>>>>> bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
>>>>>>> heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you
>>>>>>> see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
>>>>>>> celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
>>>>>>> unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light
>>>>>>> years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly
>>>>>>> lights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does it feel like to be insane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of them are not crazy:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone
>>>> who TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round.
>>>> The moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
>>>> yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
>>>> Earth.
>>>>
>>>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
>>>> tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very
>>>> definition of insane.
>>>>
>>>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
>>>> gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
>>>> asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
>>>> the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.
>>>>
>>>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a
>>>> "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are
>>>> Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>>>
>>> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
>>> stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
>>> faithful reading of the Bible.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> if it was flat everything would walk standing up
>
> Really?? So that would mean there would be no four footed/hooved
> creatures!!
>
>
https://imgur.com/a/UXzxN8a

Le 2024-07-01 à 01:33, bertietaylor a écrit :
> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.

Le 2024-07-01 à 01:34, bertietaylor a écrit :
> The maturity required to comprehend ancient tales is lacking.
The bible is just that : ancient tales from superstitious peoples
lacking actual knowledge about the world they lived in.
Ancient tales are NO proof of anything else than the beliefs of those
who created them.
Those beliefs DO NOT reflect reality. The ancients DID NOT have any
superior/sacred knowledge, and that «knowledge» was never lost.

"Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
> bertietaylor a écrit :
>
>> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
>
> Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

If one wants the truth, they will go with
the science, not contrary to the science..

> Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.

What about the laws of science? Please!

If we fantasize scenarios that are contrary
to them, then perhaps we need to go back
and reconsider.

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622
@fx10.ams4:

> "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
>> bertietaylor a écrit :
>>
>>> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
>>
>> Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
>
> Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
> or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?
>
> If one wants the truth, they will go with
> the science, not contrary to the science..

The science says the Earth
is 4.5 billion years old.

How old does your Bible say
it is?

>> Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.
>
> What about the laws of science? Please!

Like the heliocentrism that you deny?

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:kzqgO.98630$nACc.37320
@fx07.ams4:

> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...
> <>
>> if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
>> Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
>> reading of the Bible.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> True if based on some isolated passage.
> But not true when one sees it in context
> of the whole Bible.
>

Show us this "context".

Start with:

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation
so that it never can be shaken."

Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned
it, and himself fixed it fast..."

Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622
> @fx10.ams4:
>> "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
>>> bertietaylor a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
>>>
>>> Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
>>
>> Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
>> or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?
>>
>> If one wants the truth, they will go with
>> the science, not contrary to the science..
>
> The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
>
> How old does your Bible say it is?

Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out the
Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about 6,000 B.C.??
--
Daniel

Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

<Snip>

>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
>> TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
>> moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
>> yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
>> Earth.
>>
>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
>> tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
>> of insane.
>>
>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
>> gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
>> asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
>> the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.
>>
>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
>> Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
>> Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>
> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>
> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
> stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
> faithful reading of the Bible.
>
> Dawn

Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat' earth??
--
Daniel

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:11:29 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622
>> @fx10.ams4:
>>> "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> bertietaylor a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
>>>
>>> Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
>>> or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?
>>>
>>> If one wants the truth, they will go with
>>> the science, not contrary to the science..
>>
>> The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
>>
>> How old does your Bible say it is?
>
>Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out the
>Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about 6,000 B.C.??

It was 4004 B.C., per one Bishop Usher's calculation based on the
Bible and various esoteric reasonings. This was a pre-scientific
attempt at calculating the age of the earth, the result of which has
been challenged even by modern young earth creationists.

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:v60cnh$1igvj$1@dont-email.me:

> Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>> news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622 @fx10.ams4:
>>> "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> bertietaylor a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Big bang is even more nonsensical.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
>>>
>>> Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
>>> or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?
>>>
>>> If one wants the truth, they will go with
>>> the science, not contrary to the science..
>>
>> The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
>>
>> How old does your Bible say it is?
>
> Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
> the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
> 6,000 B.C.??

Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
him this question, just as he did here.

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

> Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
>> On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
>>> I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
>>> TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
>>> moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
>>> yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
>>> Earth.
>>>
>>> STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
>>> tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
>>> of insane.
>>>
>>> Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
>>> gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
>>> asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
>>> the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.
>>>
>>> Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
>>> Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
>>> Conspiretards. IOW, insane.
>>
>> Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!
>>
>> But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
>> stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
>> faithful reading of the Bible.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
> earth??

Matthew 4:
....the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
world, and the glory of them

Amos 9:6
The One who builds His upper chambers in the
heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
over the earth

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the
four corners of the earth

Revelation 7:3
and will go out to deceive the nations in
the four corners of the earth

Job 28:24
for he views the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.

Deuteronomy 28:49
The Lord will bring a nation against you from
far away, from the ends of the earth

Daniel 4:10-11.
....the king saw a tree of great height at the
centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds