In the Name of Jesus wrote:

> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
> >
> > <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
> > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
> > > if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
> > > shall live.
> > >
> > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
> > > are the sons of God.
> > >
> > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
> > > again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
> > > whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
> > >
> > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
> > > that we are the children of God:
> >
> >
> > Correct. This is evidence that a person
> > has been born again. They will make
> > ongoing war against their sin nature.
> >
> > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
> > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
> > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
> > (indicating at a point in time in the
> > past).
>
> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
> perspective.
>
> This is in error.
>
> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
> to death, literally become dead)."
>
> How?
>
> Do everything the Lord tells you and He will crucify that old sinful
> nature.
>
> Put all your faith in Him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In the Name of Jesus
>
>
> > It's in the present tense, which
> > means the believer keeps on mortifying
> > the deeds of the body. That implies the
> > sin nature is still there to be warred
> > against and mortified, not eradicated
> > and removed from existence.
> >
> > The believer also is "led" by the
> > Spirit. This again is in the present
> > tense, meaning an ongoing action. The
> > believer keeps on yielding to the
> > leading of the Holy Spirit. It isn't a
> > one-time deal. This again, implies that
> > a believer can either yield to the Holy
> > Spirit or to the flesh, which indicates
> > the flesh has no been eradicated from
> > existence.
> >
> > Thirdly, it mentions that the Spirit
> > bears witness "with" our spirit, that we
> > are the children of God, not "to" our
> > Spirit. Assurance of salvation isn't a
> > feeling that comes over you despite your
> > daily behavior. It indicates that the
> > believer's lifestyle of mortifying the
> > flesh and yielding to the leading of the
> > Spirit is bearing witness that we are
> > children of God, and the Holy Spirit
> > bears witness with that lifestyle, that
> > we are children of God.
> >
> > If you're living a lifestyle which is
> > not consistent with mortifying the deeds
> > of the flesh, and of yielding to the
> > leading of the Holy Spirit, then you
> > don't have a testimony either from your
> > own lifestyle or the Spirit, that you
> > are children of God.
> >
> > If you're not living the way the Holy
> > Spirit leads and you're not mortifying
> > the deeds of the flesh, then you have no
> > basis for being sure you are a child of
> > God.
> >
> > That said, the fact that this passage
> > repeatedly instructs us to keep on
> > mortifying the deeds of the flesh and to
> > keep on yielding to the leading of the
> > Holy Spirit, indicates the believer has
> > an old nature that needs to continually
> > be mortified. The sin nature is judged
> > in the judicial sense that we are no
> > longer obligated to yield to it, and
> > we have the power of the Holy Spirit to
> > lead us in the right path. It does not
> > mean the sin nature has been eradicated.
> > That doesn't happen till glory, as
> > Romans 8 goes on to state:
> >
> > “For the creation waits with eager
> > longing for the revealing of the sons of
> > God. For the creation was subjected to
> > futility, not willingly, but because of
> > him who subjected it, in hope that the
> > creation itself will be set free from
> > its bondage to corruption and obtain the
> > freedom of the glory of the children of
> > God. For we know that the whole creation
> > has been groaning together in the pains
> > of childbirth until now. And not only
> > the creation, but we ourselves, who have
> > the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan
> > inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption
> > as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
> > For in this hope we were saved. Now hope
> > that is seen is not hope. For who hopes
> > for what he sees? But if we hope for
> > what we do not see, we wait for it with
> > patience.” (Romans 8:19–25, ESV)
> >
> > So we wait in hope of the liberation
> > from our sinful bodies, just as Paul
> > mentioned in Romans 7,
> >
> > “Wretched man that I am! Who will
> > deliver me from this body of death?
> > Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ
> > our Lord! So then, I myself serve the
> > law of God with my mind, but with my
> > flesh I serve the law of sin.” (Romans
> > 7:24–25, ESV)
> >
> > If you didn't even have a sin nature
> > after being saved, but it was completely
> > eradicated, then you wouldn't have to
> > keep on mortifying the deeds of the
> > flesh. You don't need to keep on
> > mortifying something which has already
> > been removed from existence.
> >
> > Don't try to twist that into the idea
> > that I'm claiming the believer is
> > overpowered by sin, obligated to sin, or
> > doomed to live a sin-filled life-style.
> > I neither said nor implied no such
> > thing. But neither is the Gnostic error
> > correct, which John warned against,
> > which denies it has a sin nature or ever
> > commits any acts of sin. Someone who
> > claims that does not have the truth or
> > the word of God in them, makes God out
> > to be a liar, and tries to justify their
> > daily sin by claiming it never happened
> > (1 John 1:8-2:2).
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have you heard the good news Christ died
> > for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> > from the dead?
> >
> > That Christ died for our sins shows
> > we're sinners who deserve the death
> > penalty. That God raised Him from the
> > dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> > God's righteous demands against our sin
> > (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> > God can now remain just, while forgiving
> > you of your sins, and saving you from
> > eternal damnation.
> >
> > https://christrose.news/salvation

I suck dick.

On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
(in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):

> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
> > On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
> > >
> > > <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
> > > > if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
> > > > shall live.
> > > >
> > > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
> > > > are the sons of God.
> > > >
> > > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
> > > > again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
> > > > whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
> > > >
> > > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
> > > > that we are the children of God:
> > >
> > >
> > > Correct. This is evidence that a person
> > > has been born again. They will make
> > > ongoing war against their sin nature.
> > >
> > > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
> > > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
> > > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
> > > (indicating at a point in time in the
> > > past).
> >
> > It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
> > perspective.
> >
> > This is in error.
> >
> > It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
> > to death, literally become dead)."

That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.

I am replying in the hope that AI Rosie will see your point.
> >
> >
> > How?
> >
> > Do everything the Lord tells you and He will crucify that old sinful
> > nature.
> >
> > Put all your faith in Him.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In the Name of Jesus
> >
> >
> > > It's in the present tense, which
> > > means the believer keeps on mortifying
> > > the deeds of the body. That implies the
> > > sin nature is still there to be warred
> > > against and mortified, not eradicated
> > > and removed from existence.
> > >
> > > The believer also is "led" by the
> > > Spirit. This again is in the present
> > > tense, meaning an ongoing action. The
> > > believer keeps on yielding to the
> > > leading of the Holy Spirit. It isn't a
> > > one-time deal. This again, implies that
> > > a believer can either yield to the Holy
> > > Spirit or to the flesh, which indicates
> > > the flesh has no been eradicated from
> > > existence.
> > >
> > > Thirdly, it mentions that the Spirit
> > > bears witness "with" our spirit, that we
> > > are the children of God, not "to" our
> > > Spirit. Assurance of salvation isn't a
> > > feeling that comes over you despite your
> > > daily behavior. It indicates that the
> > > believer's lifestyle of mortifying the
> > > flesh and yielding to the leading of the
> > > Spirit is bearing witness that we are
> > > children of God, and the Holy Spirit
> > > bears witness with that lifestyle, that
> > > we are children of God.
> > >
> > > If you're living a lifestyle which is
> > > not consistent with mortifying the deeds
> > > of the flesh, and of yielding to the
> > > leading of the Holy Spirit, then you
> > > don't have a testimony either from your
> > > own lifestyle or the Spirit, that you
> > > are children of God.
> > >
> > > If you're not living the way the Holy
> > > Spirit leads and you're not mortifying
> > > the deeds of the flesh, then you have no
> > > basis for being sure you are a child of
> > > God.
> > >
> > > That said, the fact that this passage
> > > repeatedly instructs us to keep on
> > > mortifying the deeds of the flesh and to
> > > keep on yielding to the leading of the
> > > Holy Spirit, indicates the believer has
> > > an old nature that needs to continually
> > > be mortified. The sin nature is judged
> > > in the judicial sense that we are no
> > > longer obligated to yield to it, and
> > > we have the power of the Holy Spirit to
> > > lead us in the right path. It does not
> > > mean the sin nature has been eradicated.
> > > That doesn't happen till glory, as
> > > Romans 8 goes on to state:
> > >
> > > “For the creation waits with eager
> > > longing for the revealing of the sons of
> > > God. For the creation was subjected to
> > > futility, not willingly, but because of
> > > him who subjected it, in hope that the
> > > creation itself will be set free from
> > > its bondage to corruption and obtain the
> > > freedom of the glory of the children of
> > > God. For we know that the whole creation
> > > has been groaning together in the pains
> > > of childbirth until now. And not only
> > > the creation, but we ourselves, who have
> > > the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan
> > > inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption
> > > as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
> > > For in this hope we were saved. Now hope
> > > that is seen is not hope. For who hopes
> > > for what he sees? But if we hope for
> > > what we do not see, we wait for it with
> > > patience.” (Romans 8:19–25, ESV)
> > >
> > > So we wait in hope of the liberation
> > > from our sinful bodies, just as Paul
> > > mentioned in Romans 7,
> > >
> > > “Wretched man that I am! Who will
> > > deliver me from this body of death?
> > > Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ
> > > our Lord! So then, I myself serve the
> > > law of God with my mind, but with my
> > > flesh I serve the law of sin.” (Romans
> > > 7:24–25, ESV)
> > >
> > > If you didn't even have a sin nature
> > > after being saved, but it was completely
> > > eradicated, then you wouldn't have to
> > > keep on mortifying the deeds of the
> > > flesh. You don't need to keep on
> > > mortifying something which has already
> > > been removed from existence.
> > >
> > > Don't try to twist that into the idea
> > > that I'm claiming the believer is
> > > overpowered by sin, obligated to sin, or
> > > doomed to live a sin-filled life-style.
> > > I neither said nor implied no such
> > > thing. But neither is the Gnostic error
> > > correct, which John warned against,
> > > which denies it has a sin nature or ever
> > > commits any acts of sin. Someone who
> > > claims that does not have the truth or
> > > the word of God in them, makes God out
> > > to be a liar, and tries to justify their
> > > daily sin by claiming it never happened
> > > (1 John 1:8-2:2).
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Have you heard the good news Christ died
> > > for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> > > from the dead?
> > >
> > > That Christ died for our sins shows
> > > we're sinners who deserve the death
> > > penalty. That God raised Him from the
> > > dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> > > God's righteous demands against our sin
> > > (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> > > God can now remain just, while forgiving
> > > you of your sins, and saving you from
> > > eternal damnation.

On 27/06/2024 1:16 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
>> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>> Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>>>
>>> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
>>>> if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
>>>> shall live.
>>>>
>>>> Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
>>>> are the sons of God.
>>>>
>>>> Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
>>>> again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
>>>> whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>>>>
>>>> Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
>>>> that we are the children of God:
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct. This is evidence that a person
>>> has been born again. They will make
>>> ongoing war against their sin nature.
>>>
>>> Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>>> "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>>> word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>>> (indicating at a point in time in the
>>> past).
>>
>> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>> perspective.
>>
>> This is in error.
>>
>> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
>> to death, literally become dead)."
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Do everything the Lord tells you and He will crucify that old sinful
>> nature.
>>
>> Put all your faith in Him.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Name of Jesus
>>
>>
>>> It's in the present tense, which
>>> means the believer keeps on mortifying
>>> the deeds of the body. That implies the
>>> sin nature is still there to be warred
>>> against and mortified, not eradicated
>>> and removed from existence.
>>>
>>> The believer also is "led" by the
>>> Spirit. This again is in the present
>>> tense, meaning an ongoing action. The
>>> believer keeps on yielding to the
>>> leading of the Holy Spirit. It isn't a
>>> one-time deal. This again, implies that
>>> a believer can either yield to the Holy
>>> Spirit or to the flesh, which indicates
>>> the flesh has no been eradicated from
>>> existence.
>>>
>>> Thirdly, it mentions that the Spirit
>>> bears witness "with" our spirit, that we
>>> are the children of God, not "to" our
>>> Spirit. Assurance of salvation isn't a
>>> feeling that comes over you despite your
>>> daily behavior. It indicates that the
>>> believer's lifestyle of mortifying the
>>> flesh and yielding to the leading of the
>>> Spirit is bearing witness that we are
>>> children of God, and the Holy Spirit
>>> bears witness with that lifestyle, that
>>> we are children of God.
>>>
>>> If you're living a lifestyle which is
>>> not consistent with mortifying the deeds
>>> of the flesh, and of yielding to the
>>> leading of the Holy Spirit, then you
>>> don't have a testimony either from your
>>> own lifestyle or the Spirit, that you
>>> are children of God.
>>>
>>> If you're not living the way the Holy
>>> Spirit leads and you're not mortifying
>>> the deeds of the flesh, then you have no
>>> basis for being sure you are a child of
>>> God.
>>>
>>> That said, the fact that this passage
>>> repeatedly instructs us to keep on
>>> mortifying the deeds of the flesh and to
>>> keep on yielding to the leading of the
>>> Holy Spirit, indicates the believer has
>>> an old nature that needs to continually
>>> be mortified. The sin nature is judged
>>> in the judicial sense that we are no
>>> longer obligated to yield to it, and
>>> we have the power of the Holy Spirit to
>>> lead us in the right path. It does not
>>> mean the sin nature has been eradicated.
>>> That doesn't happen till glory, as
>>> Romans 8 goes on to state:
>>>
>>> “For the creation waits with eager
>>> longing for the revealing of the sons of
>>> God. For the creation was subjected to
>>> futility, not willingly, but because of
>>> him who subjected it, in hope that the
>>> creation itself will be set free from
>>> its bondage to corruption and obtain the
>>> freedom of the glory of the children of
>>> God. For we know that the whole creation
>>> has been groaning together in the pains
>>> of childbirth until now. And not only
>>> the creation, but we ourselves, who have
>>> the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan
>>> inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption
>>> as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
>>> For in this hope we were saved. Now hope
>>> that is seen is not hope. For who hopes
>>> for what he sees? But if we hope for
>>> what we do not see, we wait for it with
>>> patience.” (Romans 8:19–25, ESV)
>>>
>>> So we wait in hope of the liberation
>>> from our sinful bodies, just as Paul
>>> mentioned in Romans 7,
>>>
>>> “Wretched man that I am! Who will
>>> deliver me from this body of death?
>>> Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ
>>> our Lord! So then, I myself serve the
>>> law of God with my mind, but with my
>>> flesh I serve the law of sin.” (Romans
>>> 7:24–25, ESV)
>>>
>>> If you didn't even have a sin nature
>>> after being saved, but it was completely
>>> eradicated, then you wouldn't have to
>>> keep on mortifying the deeds of the
>>> flesh. You don't need to keep on
>>> mortifying something which has already
>>> been removed from existence.
>>>
>>> Don't try to twist that into the idea
>>> that I'm claiming the believer is
>>> overpowered by sin, obligated to sin, or
>>> doomed to live a sin-filled life-style.
>>> I neither said nor implied no such
>>> thing. But neither is the Gnostic error
>>> correct, which John warned against,
>>> which denies it has a sin nature or ever
>>> commits any acts of sin. Someone who
>>> claims that does not have the truth or
>>> the word of God in them, makes God out
>>> to be a liar, and tries to justify their
>>> daily sin by claiming it never happened
>>> (1 John 1:8-2:2).
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>> from the dead?
>>>
>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>> eternal damnation.
>>>
>>> https://christrose.news/salvation
>
> I suck dick.

Many do.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
> (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
>
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>>> Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>>>>
>>>> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
>>>>> if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
>>>>> shall live.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
>>>>> are the sons of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
>>>>> again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
>>>>> whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
>>>>> that we are the children of God:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct. This is evidence that a person
>>>> has been born again. They will make
>>>> ongoing war against their sin nature.
>>>>
>>>> Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>>>> "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>>>> word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>>>> (indicating at a point in time in the
>>>> past).
>>>
>>> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>> This is in error.
>>>
>>> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
>>> to death, literally become dead)."

Robert wrote:
> That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
> I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.

There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.

All sinners are perverts, Robert.

> I am replying in the hope that AI Rosie will see your point.

Why are you two hiding behind a tree in the first place?

In the Name of Jesus

>>>
>>>
>>> How?
>>>
>>> Do everything the Lord tells you and He will crucify that old sinful
>>> nature.
>>>
>>> Put all your faith in Him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Name of Jesus
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's in the present tense, which
>>>> means the believer keeps on mortifying
>>>> the deeds of the body. That implies the
>>>> sin nature is still there to be warred
>>>> against and mortified, not eradicated
>>>> and removed from existence.
>>>>
>>>> The believer also is "led" by the
>>>> Spirit. This again is in the present
>>>> tense, meaning an ongoing action. The
>>>> believer keeps on yielding to the
>>>> leading of the Holy Spirit. It isn't a
>>>> one-time deal. This again, implies that
>>>> a believer can either yield to the Holy
>>>> Spirit or to the flesh, which indicates
>>>> the flesh has no been eradicated from
>>>> existence.
>>>>
>>>> Thirdly, it mentions that the Spirit
>>>> bears witness "with" our spirit, that we
>>>> are the children of God, not "to" our
>>>> Spirit. Assurance of salvation isn't a
>>>> feeling that comes over you despite your
>>>> daily behavior. It indicates that the
>>>> believer's lifestyle of mortifying the
>>>> flesh and yielding to the leading of the
>>>> Spirit is bearing witness that we are
>>>> children of God, and the Holy Spirit
>>>> bears witness with that lifestyle, that
>>>> we are children of God.
>>>>
>>>> If you're living a lifestyle which is
>>>> not consistent with mortifying the deeds
>>>> of the flesh, and of yielding to the
>>>> leading of the Holy Spirit, then you
>>>> don't have a testimony either from your
>>>> own lifestyle or the Spirit, that you
>>>> are children of God.
>>>>
>>>> If you're not living the way the Holy
>>>> Spirit leads and you're not mortifying
>>>> the deeds of the flesh, then you have no
>>>> basis for being sure you are a child of
>>>> God.
>>>>
>>>> That said, the fact that this passage
>>>> repeatedly instructs us to keep on
>>>> mortifying the deeds of the flesh and to
>>>> keep on yielding to the leading of the
>>>> Holy Spirit, indicates the believer has
>>>> an old nature that needs to continually
>>>> be mortified. The sin nature is judged
>>>> in the judicial sense that we are no
>>>> longer obligated to yield to it, and
>>>> we have the power of the Holy Spirit to
>>>> lead us in the right path. It does not
>>>> mean the sin nature has been eradicated.
>>>> That doesn't happen till glory, as
>>>> Romans 8 goes on to state:
>>>>
>>>> “For the creation waits with eager
>>>> longing for the revealing of the sons of
>>>> God. For the creation was subjected to
>>>> futility, not willingly, but because of
>>>> him who subjected it, in hope that the
>>>> creation itself will be set free from
>>>> its bondage to corruption and obtain the
>>>> freedom of the glory of the children of
>>>> God. For we know that the whole creation
>>>> has been groaning together in the pains
>>>> of childbirth until now. And not only
>>>> the creation, but we ourselves, who have
>>>> the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan
>>>> inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption
>>>> as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
>>>> For in this hope we were saved. Now hope
>>>> that is seen is not hope. For who hopes
>>>> for what he sees? But if we hope for
>>>> what we do not see, we wait for it with
>>>> patience.” (Romans 8:19–25, ESV)
>>>>
>>>> So we wait in hope of the liberation
>>>> from our sinful bodies, just as Paul
>>>> mentioned in Romans 7,
>>>>
>>>> “Wretched man that I am! Who will
>>>> deliver me from this body of death?
>>>> Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ
>>>> our Lord! So then, I myself serve the
>>>> law of God with my mind, but with my
>>>> flesh I serve the law of sin.” (Romans
>>>> 7:24–25, ESV)
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't even have a sin nature
>>>> after being saved, but it was completely
>>>> eradicated, then you wouldn't have to
>>>> keep on mortifying the deeds of the
>>>> flesh. You don't need to keep on
>>>> mortifying something which has already
>>>> been removed from existence.
>>>>
>>>> Don't try to twist that into the idea
>>>> that I'm claiming the believer is
>>>> overpowered by sin, obligated to sin, or
>>>> doomed to live a sin-filled life-style.
>>>> I neither said nor implied no such
>>>> thing. But neither is the Gnostic error
>>>> correct, which John warned against,
>>>> which denies it has a sin nature or ever
>>>> commits any acts of sin. Someone who
>>>> claims that does not have the truth or
>>>> the word of God in them, makes God out
>>>> to be a liar, and tries to justify their
>>>> daily sin by claiming it never happened
>>>> (1 John 1:8-2:2).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>> from the dead?
>>>>
>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>> eternal damnation.
>

"In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
> On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
>> On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
>> (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
>>
>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>>>> Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>>>>>
>>>>> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
>>>>>> if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
>>>>>> shall live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
>>>>>> are the sons of God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
>>>>>> again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
>>>>>> whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
>>>>>> that we are the children of God:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct. This is evidence that a person
>>>>> has been born again. They will make
>>>>> ongoing war against their sin nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>>>>> "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>>>>> word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>>>>> (indicating at a point in time in the
>>>>> past).
>>>>
>>>> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>>>> perspective.
>>>>
>>>> This is in error.
>>>>
>>>> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
>>>> to death, literally become dead)."
>
> Robert wrote:
>> That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
>> I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
>
> There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
>
> All sinners are perverts, Robert.

We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.

On Jun 27, 2024, Scout wrote
(in article <v5jpj7$2omg6$1@dont-email.me>):

>
> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
> news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
> > On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
> > > On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
> > > (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
> > >
> > > > In the Name of Jesus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > > > > > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
> > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
> > > > > > > if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
> > > > > > > shall live.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
> > > > > > > are the sons of God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
> > > > > > > again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
> > > > > > > whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
> > > > > > > that we are the children of God:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Correct. This is evidence that a person
> > > > > > has been born again. They will make
> > > > > > ongoing war against their sin nature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
> > > > > > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
> > > > > > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
> > > > > > (indicating at a point in time in the
> > > > > > past).
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
> > > > > perspective.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is in error.
> > > > >
> > > > > It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
> > > > > to death, literally become dead)."
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> > > That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
> > > I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
> >
> > There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
> >
> > All sinners are perverts, Robert.
>
> We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.

The reason pervert was used is because he was a sexual pervert.

There are many self righteous sinners, who do things morally correct. Some
because they seek to enter heaven by picking up themselves up by their own
bootstraps, which is impossible. “There is a way that seems righteous to
men, but the end thereof is death”.

You could say that there are many like the 'Rich Young Ruler’. There are
some atheists who are morally and ethically stricter and more correct than
many Christians, but the blood covering is what differentiates as to who gets
into heaven and who has a relationship with God.

Robert wrote:

> On Jun 27, 2024, Scout wrote
> (in article <v5jpj7$2omg6$1@dont-email.me>):
>
> >
> > "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
> > message news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
> > > On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
> > > > On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
> > > > (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
> > > >
> > > > > In the Name of Jesus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> > > > > > > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.o
> > > > > > > rg> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall
> > > > > > > > die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds
> > > > > > > > of the body, ye shall live.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of
> > > > > > > > God, they are the sons of God.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of
> > > > > > > > bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit
> > > > > > > > of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with
> > > > > > > > our spirit, that we are the children of God:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Correct. This is evidence that a person
> > > > > > > has been born again. They will make
> > > > > > > ongoing war against their sin nature.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
> > > > > > > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
> > > > > > > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
> > > > > > > (indicating at a point in time in the
> > > > > > > past).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
> > > > > > perspective.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is in error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to
> > > > > > kill, put to death, literally become dead)."
> > >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
> > > > I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
> > >
> > > There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
> > >
> > > All sinners are perverts, Robert.
> >
> > We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.
>
> The reason pervert was used is because he was a sexual pervert.
>
> There are many self righteous sinners, who do things morally correct.
> Some because they seek to enter heaven by picking up themselves up by
> their own bootstraps, which is impossible. “There is a way that seems
> righteous to men, but the end thereof is death”.
>
> You could say that there are many like the 'Rich Young Ruler’. There
> are some atheists who are morally and ethically stricter and more
> correct than many Christians, but the blood covering is what
> differentiates as to who gets into heaven and who has a relationship
> with God.

I suck dick.

On 27/06/2024 9:05 pm, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
> news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
>>> (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
>>>
>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>>>>> Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
>>>>>>> if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
>>>>>>> shall live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
>>>>>>> are the sons of God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
>>>>>>> again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
>>>>>>> whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
>>>>>>> that we are the children of God:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct. This is evidence that a person
>>>>>> has been born again. They will make
>>>>>> ongoing war against their sin nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>>>>>> "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>>>>>> word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>>>>>> (indicating at a point in time in the
>>>>>> past).
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is in error.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
>>>>> to death, literally become dead)."
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
>>> I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
>>
>> There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
>>
>> All sinners are perverts, Robert.
>
> We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.

If you come to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, you are no
longer perverted.

God does not prevent anyone from coming to Him.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

On 28/06/2024 3:16 am, Robert wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2024, Scout wrote
> (in article <v5jpj7$2omg6$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>
>> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
>> news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
>>>> (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
>>>>
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>>>>>> Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org>
>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but
>>>>>>>> if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye
>>>>>>>> shall live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they
>>>>>>>> are the sons of God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage
>>>>>>>> again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
>>>>>>>> whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
>>>>>>>> that we are the children of God:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correct. This is evidence that a person
>>>>>>> has been born again. They will make
>>>>>>> ongoing war against their sin nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>>>>>>> "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>>>>>>> word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>>>>>>> (indicating at a point in time in the
>>>>>>> past).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is in error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to kill, put
>>>>>> to death, literally become dead)."
>>>
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>> That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
>>>> I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
>>>
>>> There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
>>>
>>> All sinners are perverts, Robert.
>>
>> We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.
>
> The reason pervert was used is because he was a sexual pervert.
>
> There are many self righteous sinners, who do things morally correct. Some
> because they seek to enter heaven by picking up themselves up by their own
> bootstraps, which is impossible. “There is a way that seems righteous to
> men, but the end thereof is death”.
>
> You could say that there are many like the 'Rich Young Ruler’. There are
> some atheists who are morally and ethically stricter and more correct than
> many Christians, but the blood covering is what differentiates as to who gets
> into heaven and who has a relationship with God.

The Lord Jesus took away all the sin of the world (John 1:29). Thus, His
blood took away all the sins of man before God (fulfilled the law), not
just for the "special sinner" claimants of men but also for the sinner
who has not "so called" claimed His sacrificial blood (Romans 5:8);
therefore, the way is open (the veil of the temple was rent in twain).

It is all about a man's relationship with God.

It always has been anyway, but now a perfect way is open without the
condemnation of the law (sin and death).

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2C2DD6070003171C30A64E38F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On Jun 27, 2024, Scout wrote
> (in article <v5jpj7$2omg6$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>
>> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>> message news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
>> > On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
>> > > On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
>> > > (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
>> > >
>> > > > In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>> > > > > > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org
>> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall
>> > > > > > > die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of
>> > > > > > > the body, ye shall live.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of
>> > > > > > > God, they are the sons of God.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of
>> > > > > > > bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of
>> > > > > > > adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our
>> > > > > > > spirit, that we are the children of God:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Correct. This is evidence that a person
>> > > > > > has been born again. They will make
>> > > > > > ongoing war against their sin nature.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
>> > > > > > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
>> > > > > > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
>> > > > > > (indicating at a point in time in the
>> > > > > > past).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
>> > > > > perspective.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This is in error.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to
>> > > > > kill, put to death, literally become dead)."
>> >
>> > Robert wrote:
>> > > That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
>> > > I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
>> >
>> > There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
>> >
>> > All sinners are perverts, Robert.
>>
>> We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.
>
> The reason pervert was used is because he was a sexual pervert.
>
> There are many self righteous sinners, who do things morally correct.
> Some because they seek to enter heaven by picking up themselves up by
> their own bootstraps, which is impossible. “There is a way that
> seems righteous to men, but the end thereof is death”.
>
> You could say that there are many like the 'Rich Young Ruler’. There
> are some atheists who are morally and ethically stricter and more
> correct than many Christians, but the blood covering is what
> differentiates as to who gets into heaven and who has a relationship
> with God.

All well and good in that sense. How do you explain Jews and their
obsession with forcing homosexuality on everyone?

Fred Lizewski wrote:

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2C2DD6070003171C30A64E38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Jun 27, 2024, Scout wrote
> > (in article <v5jpj7$2omg6$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > >
> >> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
> >> message news:v5iuv2$2jjuo$2@dont-email.me...
> >> > On 27/06/2024 1:35 pm, Robert wrote:
> >> > > On Jun 26, 2024, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote
> >> > > (in article <RP4fO.180511$eX68.131377@fx18.iad>):
> >> > >
> >> > > > In the Name of Jesus wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On 27/06/2024 3:07 am, Christ Rose wrote:
> >> > > > > > Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:04:02 -0700,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> <0001HW.2C2C73720006BC1830E4F838F@news.eternal-september.org >> > > >
> > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote: >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Rom 8:13 (KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall
> >> > > > > > > die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds
> of >> > > > > > > the body, ye shall live.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Rom 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of
> >> > > > > > > God, they are the sons of God.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Rom 8:15 (KJV) For ye have not received the spirit of
> >> > > > > > > bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit
> of >> > > > > > > adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit itself beareth witness with
> our >> > > > > > > spirit, that we are the children of God:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Correct. This is evidence that a person
> >> > > > > > has been born again. They will make
> >> > > > > > ongoing war against their sin nature.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Notice, it's calling on the believer to
> >> > > > > > "mortify" the deeds of the body. That
> >> > > > > > word "mortify" isn't an aorist
> >> > > > > > (indicating at a point in time in the
> >> > > > > > past).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It is not a convenient overall continuance in sin "aorist"
> >> > > > > perspective.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This is in error.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It does not say "keep on mortifying," it says "mortify (to
> >> > > > > kill, put to death, literally become dead)."
> >> >
> >> > Robert wrote:
> >> > > That is correct, a point I too wanted to clarify, but did not.
> >> > > I saw you post because of a perverts reply to it.
> >> >
> >> > There is not one pervert who is better than another pervert.
> >> >
> >> > All sinners are perverts, Robert.
> > >
> >> We acknowledge your admission of being a pervert.
> >
> > The reason pervert was used is because he was a sexual pervert.
> >
> > There are many self righteous sinners, who do things morally
> > correct. Some because they seek to enter heaven by picking up
> > themselves up by their own bootstraps, which is impossible.
> > “There is a way that seems righteous to men, but the end thereof
> > is death”.
> >
> > You could say that there are many like the 'Rich Young Ruler’.
> > There are some atheists who are morally and ethically stricter and
> > more correct than many Christians, but the blood covering is what
> > differentiates as to who gets into heaven and who has a relationship
> > with God.
>
> All well and good in that sense. How do you explain Jews and their
> obsession with forcing homosexuality on everyone?

Jesus was a homosexual Jew.