On 6/22/2024 11:32 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v5747i$3s867$5@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/22/2024 10:35 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>
>>> In article <v56ug2$3q9l4$34@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2024 7:33 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 6/21/24 19:29, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 12:02:40 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not charged with either one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The law as written in New York does not require the object crime to have been
>>>>>> charged or
>>>>>> tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whhich, to me, has constitutional implications.
>>>>
>>>> No one cares if an illiterate degreeless bumpkin like you thinks there are
>>>> constitutional implications.
>>>
>>> Translation:
>>
>> No.
>
> Rudy kicks my flabby doughy pimply ass again.

Yes.

On 6/22/2024 10:35 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v56u7q$3q9l4$30@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/22/2024 6:50 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <5k6c7j9gv130cicrbmmmskaccdfhhkrfdj@4ax.com>,
>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 10:08:53 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to suspect that
>>>>> the jury reached the wrong verdict.
>>>>
>>>> No, they don't.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Many people in jail right now due to wrong verdicts.
>>
>> No, not "many," you stupid fuckstain. Some are, like that innocent man Missouri
>> is going to execute in a few weeks, but you don't care about them unless they're
>> your fellow Republiscum/QAnon traitors, *all* of whom are guilty.
>
> Thanks for proving me to be the dumbest fucking Usenet moron of all time.

Happy to help.

On 6/20/2024 3:50 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v52629$2ogme$1@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/20/2024 1:46 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v51t3s$2mald$12@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/2024 11:14 AM, Dave Wainwright wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:00 AM, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     In the federal system, a person is not technically a felon or a convict
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>     sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and that state imposes
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>     designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That already entails
>>>>>>>>     privations. The New York City Police Department is seeking to revoke his
>>>>>>>>     license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven countries?including
>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>     and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons from entering (though
>>>>>>>>     they can, of course, make exceptions).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>>>>>
>>>>> You jealous?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to suspect that the
>>>>>>> jury reached the wrong verdict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached the only logical and
>>>>>> fact-based verdict possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a crime to pay someone to keep their mouth shut.
>>>>
>>>> It's a crime to do that as a campaign expenditure to queer an election and not
>>>> report it.
>>>
>>>
>>> He didn't do that.
>>
>> He did exactly that. He got caught, and now he's a convicted felon.
>
> He didn't do that and

He did.

> he will appeal and

And he will lose.

On 6/20/2024 1:41 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v51rlv$2mald$5@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/20/2024 11:02 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v51o0s$2lorq$5@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     In the federal system, a person is not technically a felon or a convict
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>     sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and that state imposes
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>     designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That already entails
>>>>>>>>     privations. The New York City Police Department is seeking to revoke his
>>>>>>>>     license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven countries?including
>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>     and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons from entering (though
>>>>>>>>     they can, of course, make exceptions).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to suspect that the
>>>>>>> jury reached the wrong verdict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached the only logical and
>>>>>> fact-based verdict possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
>>>>>>    * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ? proved by evidence
>>>>>> at trial
>>>>>>    * the misclassification was done to further and to conceal another crime ?
>>>>>>      proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's testimony)
>>>>>
>>>>> So what was the crime?
>>>>
>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>>>
>>> Not charged with either one.
>>
>> Does not need to be. In fact, they don't even have to be his crimes (although
>> they were).
>
> So it's whatever Rudy says it is?
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an impeccably fair and
>>>>>> orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts to turn it into a travesty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury reached an incorrect
>>>>>> verdict.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
>>>>
>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and Justice Merchan
>>>> identified the crimes.
>>>
>>> You mean the "conflict of interest" loons who
>>
>> No..
>
> Yes.

No.

>>>>
>>>> Why do you tell such stupid, easily debunked lies? I mean, we know you're going
>>>> to lie, but you at least ought to try to tell plausible lies.
>>>
>>> You never prove anything.
>>
>> That's a lie.
>
> Prove it.

Already did.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
>governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
>> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     In the federal system, a person is not technically a felon
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That already
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     privations. The New York City Police Department is seeking
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons from
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>     they can, of course, make exceptions).
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to
>> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached the only
>> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>    * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
>> >> >>>>>>>>    * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ? proved
>> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence      at trial
>> >> >>>>>>>>    * the misclassification was done to further and to conceal
>> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
>> >> >>>>>>>>      proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's testimony)
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an
>> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts to
>> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> <crickets>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury reached an
>> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and Justice
>> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> cite please?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much discussed here
>> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not doing it for
>> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet group
>> >> >>> proves nothing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the trial. Because
>> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent, incontinent stupid
>> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
>> >> >
>> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law, they are
>> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and where he
>> >> >received a guilty verdict.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move to NY state and lobby your
>> >> legislators.
>> >>
>> >> Swill
>> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
>> >
>> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a sham.
>>
>> Biggest city in North America.
>>
>> Financial capitol of the planet.
>>
>> Something's working.
>>
>>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...

Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993. But that's a fact and
the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?

As for housing and homeless, that's been the case in NY for at LEAST a century.

Swill

On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:59 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <03kh7j5i0e7gi09tfg6s00svg93rl7ckgk@4ax.com>,
>governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:21:32 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <8nee7jdl8bc71lvf8m9e1e5fpdsglquslm@4ax.com>,
>> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 20:28:30 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:20:38 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>If you cannot name the crime that made the acts a felony, then you don't
>> >> >>have sufficient information upon which to base your claim.
>> >> >
>> >> >When did you take your bar exam in New York?
>> >>
>> >> Well? You're awfully good at asking questions but shit it answering them.
>> >>
>> >> Swill
>> >> NP: Dan Fogelberg - The Innocent Age
>> >
>> >and you're good at acting like you did take the exam.
>>
>> I'm pointing out that a New York courtroom and a New York jury know more about New York
>> law than a hick in Mississippi.
>>
>Even one that were bought?
>

"Even one that were bought?" Did you drop out of fourth grade?

But, yes, a New York courtroom and a New York jury know more about New York law than a
hick in Mississippi.

Swill

On 6/24/2024 11:40 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?

How'd you lose that Sleazynews account Rudey?

Are they charging you their $500 SPAM cleanup fee, little man Ball?

And where did your Giganews account run off to?

On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:25:40 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <t8kh7jtnr1gcr0i2mr005btup2ukiqlpsm@4ax.com>,
>governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:47:46 -0000 (UTC), Nikos Aliagas <nospam@oui.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >news:ts6c7j90c3dspt1fhq3tr7a1cfdbgvkpb2@4ax.com:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:14:26 -0700, Dave Wainwright
>> >> <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>It's not a crime to pay someone to keep their mouth shut.
>> >>
>> >> He wasn't charged with that.
>> >
>> >He certainly was.
>> >
>> >SECOND COUNT:AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further
>> >accuses thedefendant of the crime ofFALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE
>> >FIRST DEGREE,in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:The
>> >defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
>> >14, 2017,with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid
>> >and conceal the commissionthereof, made and caused a false entry in the
>> >business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry inthe Detail General
>> >Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher
>> >number842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.
>> >
>> >> Try to keep up.
>> >
>> >Learn to read, bub.
>>
>> Maybe YOU need to learn to read. That charge is for HIDING the payment as LEGAL FEES
>> which it was not.
>>
>> There was no charge for PAYING hush money to his whore. Again, it was about falsifying
>> the records of what the expenditure was for.
>
>Then why 34 counts?

Because there were dozens of instances of money shuffling/hiding shown for the single hush
payment funding.

Swill
NP: Heart - Even It Up

On 6/24/2024 11:44 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> single hush

How'd you lose that Sleazynews account Rudey?

Are they charging you their $500 SPAM cleanup fee, little man Ball?

And where did your Giganews account run off to?

On 6/24/2024 11:42 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> Did you drop out of fourth grade?

How'd you lose that Sleazynews account Rudey?

Are they charging you their $500 SPAM cleanup fee, little man Ball?

And where did your Giganews account run off to?

On 6/24/2024 11:40 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> that's a fact

How'd you lose that Sleazynews account Rudey?

Are they charging you their $500 SPAM cleanup fee, little man Ball?

And where did your Giganews account run off to?

In article <3pbj7jhkg7rmba7ppjh645jgj9hij5s314@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     In the federal system, a person is not technically a felon
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and that
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That already
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     privations. The New York City Police Department is seeking
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons from
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>     they can, of course, make exceptions).
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached the only
> >> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>    * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
> >> >> >>>>>>>>    * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ? proved
> >> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence      at trial
> >> >> >>>>>>>>    * the misclassification was done to further and to conceal
> >> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>      proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's testimony)
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an
> >> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts to
> >> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> <crickets>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury reached an
> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and Justice
> >> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> cite please?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much discussed here
> >> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not doing it for
> >> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet group
> >> >> >>> proves nothing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the trial. Because
> >> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent, incontinent stupid
> >> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law, they are
> >> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and where he
> >> >> >received a guilty verdict.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move to NY state and lobby your
> >> >> legislators.
> >> >>
> >> >> Swill
> >> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
> >> >
> >> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a sham.
> >>
> >> Biggest city in North America.
> >>
> >> Financial capitol of the planet.
> >>
> >> Something's working.
> >>
> >>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...
>
> Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993. But that's a fact and
> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?

Back that up.
>
> As for housing and homeless, that's been the case in NY for at LEAST a century.

Let's talk about the whole country.
>
> Swill

In article <gsbj7jl4jegc98eiq2dloqvfinqki86n7o@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:59 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <03kh7j5i0e7gi09tfg6s00svg93rl7ckgk@4ax.com>,
> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:21:32 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <8nee7jdl8bc71lvf8m9e1e5fpdsglquslm@4ax.com>,
> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 20:28:30 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:20:38 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>If you cannot name the crime that made the acts a felony, then you don't
> >> >> >>have sufficient information upon which to base your claim.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >When did you take your bar exam in New York?
> >> >>
> >> >> Well? You're awfully good at asking questions but shit it answering them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Swill
> >> >> NP: Dan Fogelberg - The Innocent Age
> >> >
> >> >and you're good at acting like you did take the exam.
> >>
> >> I'm pointing out that a New York courtroom and a New York jury know more about New York
> >> law than a hick in Mississippi.
> >>
> >Even one that were bought?
> >
>
> "Even one that were bought?" Did you drop out of fourth grade?

Your way of running.
>
> But, yes, a New York courtroom and a New York jury know more about New York law than a
> hick in Mississippi.

Even the ones bought and paid for? Do you know them all?
>
> Swill

In article <q0cj7j1go9f2bfick9074dm410k5vnnrsh@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:25:40 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <t8kh7jtnr1gcr0i2mr005btup2ukiqlpsm@4ax.com>,
> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:47:46 -0000 (UTC), Nikos Aliagas <nospam@oui.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> >news:ts6c7j90c3dspt1fhq3tr7a1cfdbgvkpb2@4ax.com:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:14:26 -0700, Dave Wainwright
> >> >> <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>It's not a crime to pay someone to keep their mouth shut.
> >> >>
> >> >> He wasn't charged with that.
> >> >
> >> >He certainly was.
> >> >
> >> >SECOND COUNT:AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further
> >> >accuses thedefendant of the crime ofFALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE
> >> >FIRST DEGREE,in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:The
> >> >defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
> >> >14, 2017,with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid
> >> >and conceal the commissionthereof, made and caused a false entry in the
> >> >business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry inthe Detail General
> >> >Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher
> >> >number842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.
> >> >
> >> >> Try to keep up.
> >> >
> >> >Learn to read, bub.
> >>
> >> Maybe YOU need to learn to read. That charge is for HIDING the payment as LEGAL FEES
> >> which it was not.
> >>
> >> There was no charge for PAYING hush money to his whore. Again, it was about falsifying
> >> the records of what the expenditure was for.
> >
> >Then why 34 counts?
>
> Because there were dozens of instances of money shuffling/hiding shown for the single hush
> payment funding.
>
No, the DA made it that way.

On 6/24/2024 11:15 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <q0cj7j1go9f2bfick9074dm410k5vnnrsh@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:25:40 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t8kh7jtnr1gcr0i2mr005btup2ukiqlpsm@4ax.com>,
>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:47:46 -0000 (UTC), Nikos Aliagas <nospam@oui.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:ts6c7j90c3dspt1fhq3tr7a1cfdbgvkpb2@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:14:26 -0700, Dave Wainwright
>>>>>> <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a crime to pay someone to keep their mouth shut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He wasn't charged with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> He certainly was.
>>>>>
>>>>> SECOND COUNT:AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further
>>>>> accuses thedefendant of the crime ofFALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE
>>>>> FIRST DEGREE,in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:The
>>>>> defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
>>>>> 14, 2017,with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid
>>>>> and conceal the commissionthereof, made and caused a false entry in the
>>>>> business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry inthe Detail General
>>>>> Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher
>>>>> number842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Try to keep up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn to read, bub.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe YOU need to learn to read. That charge is for HIDING the payment as LEGAL FEES
>>>> which it was not.
>>>>
>>>> There was no charge for PAYING hush money to his whore. Again, it was about falsifying
>>>> the records of what the expenditure was for.
>>>
>>> Then why 34 counts?
>>
>> Because there were dozens of instances of money shuffling/hiding shown for the single hush
>> payment funding.
>>
> No,

Yes. Trump made 12 payments to Cohen, and each payment involved multiple
instances of false business records.

Trump is a convicted felon.

On 6/24/2024 2:52 PM, J Carlson wrote:
>I am a convicted felon.

How'd you lose that Sleazynews account Rudey?

Are they charging you their $500 SPAM cleanup fee, little man Ball?

And where did your Giganews account run off to?

Was it canceled?

On 6/24/2024 2:30 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v5cmaq$143mm$2@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/24/2024 11:15 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <q0cj7j1go9f2bfick9074dm410k5vnnrsh@4ax.com>,
>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:25:40 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <t8kh7jtnr1gcr0i2mr005btup2ukiqlpsm@4ax.com>,
>>>>> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:47:46 -0000 (UTC), Nikos Aliagas <nospam@oui.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ts6c7j90c3dspt1fhq3tr7a1cfdbgvkpb2@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:14:26 -0700, Dave Wainwright
>>>>>>>> <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's not a crime to pay someone to keep their mouth shut.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He wasn't charged with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He certainly was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SECOND COUNT:AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further
>>>>>>> accuses thedefendant of the crime ofFALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE
>>>>>>> FIRST DEGREE,in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:The
>>>>>>> defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
>>>>>>> 14, 2017,with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid
>>>>>>> and conceal the commissionthereof, made and caused a false entry in the
>>>>>>> business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry inthe Detail General
>>>>>>> Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher
>>>>>>> number842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try to keep up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Learn to read, bub.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe YOU need to learn to read. That charge is for HIDING the payment as LEGAL FEES
>>>>>> which it was not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no charge for PAYING hush money to his whore. Again, it was about falsifying
>>>>>> the records of what the expenditure was for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why 34 counts?
>>>>
>>>> Because there were dozens of instances of money shuffling/hiding shown for the single hush
>>>> payment funding.
>>>>
>>> No,
>>
>> Yes. Trump made 12 payments to Cohen, and each payment involved multiple
>> instances of false business records.
>>
>> Trump is a convicted felon.
>
> Why no gag order on Cohen?

No reason for one. Cohen running his mouth doesn't get people killed, as happens
when Trump orders his deranged followers to take revenge

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:6679b75c$0$2422116$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <3pbj7jhkg7rmba7ppjh645jgj9hij5s314@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
>> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter
>> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
>> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In the federal system, a person is not technically a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> felon
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> already
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> privations. The New York City Police Department is
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seeking
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> they can, of course, make exceptions).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> the only
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence at trial
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the misclassification was done to further and to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> conceal
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> testimony)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> <crickets>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> reached an
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and
>> >> >> >>>>>> Justice
>> >> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> cite please?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much
>> >> >> >>>> discussed here
>> >> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not doing
>> >> >> >>>> it for
>> >> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet
>> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >>> proves nothing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the trial.
>> >> >> >> Because
>> >> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent, incontinent
>> >> >> >> stupid
>> >> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law, they
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and
>> >> >> >where he
>> >> >> >received a guilty verdict.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move to
>> >> >> NY state and lobby your
>> >> >> legislators.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Swill
>> >> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a sham.
>> >>
>> >> Biggest city in North America.
>> >>
>> >> Financial capitol of the planet.
>> >>
>> >> Something's working.
>> >>
>> >>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...
>>
>> Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993. But
>> that's a fact and
>> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?
>
> Back that up.

In article <v5eubt$1lcib$3@dont-email.me>,
me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>
> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6679b75c$0$2422116$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> > In article <3pbj7jhkg7rmba7ppjh645jgj9hij5s314@4ax.com>,
> > governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter
> >> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In the federal system, a person is not technically a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> felon
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> already
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> privations. The New York City Police Department is
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seeking
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> they can, of course, make exceptions).
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the only
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence at trial
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the misclassification was done to further and to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> conceal
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> testimony)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> <crickets>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> reached an
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Justice
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> cite please?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much
> >> >> >> >>>> discussed here
> >> >> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not doing
> >> >> >> >>>> it for
> >> >> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet
> >> >> >> >>> group
> >> >> >> >>> proves nothing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the trial.
> >> >> >> >> Because
> >> >> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent, incontinent
> >> >> >> >> stupid
> >> >> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law, they
> >> >> >> >are
> >> >> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and
> >> >> >> >where he
> >> >> >> >received a guilty verdict.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move to
> >> >> >> NY state and lobby your
> >> >> >> legislators.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Swill
> >> >> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a sham.
> >> >>
> >> >> Biggest city in North America.
> >> >>
> >> >> Financial capitol of the planet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Something's working.
> >> >>
> >> >>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...
> >>
> >> Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993. But
> >> that's a fact and
> >> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?
> >
> > Back that up.
>
>
> Actually, it would make sense..
> I mean when you stop arresting people for violent crime..
> you reduce the number of people prosecuted for a violent crime,..
> which reduces the number convicted of a violent crime.
>
> Liberals have finally figured out how to reduce violent crime... ignore it.
> Then why wonder why we won't give up our guns.
>

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:667afd92$0$3068693$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <v5eubt$1lcib$3@dont-email.me>,
> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>>
>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6679b75c$0$2422116$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> > In article <3pbj7jhkg7rmba7ppjh645jgj9hij5s314@4ax.com>,
>> > governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter
>> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
>> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter
>> >> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung
>> >> >> >> <junk@nogood.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In the federal system, a person is not
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> technically a
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> felon
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> designation *at the time of the jury verdict*.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> That
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> already
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> privations. The New York City Police Department
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seeking
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> felons
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> they can, of course, make exceptions).
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the only
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * Trump ordered and coordinated the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> misclassification ?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence at trial
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the misclassification was done to further and to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> conceal
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> testimony)
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> efforts
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> <crickets>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> reached an
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Justice
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> cite please?
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much
>> >> >> >> >>>> discussed here
>> >> >> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not
>> >> >> >> >>>> doing
>> >> >> >> >>>> it for
>> >> >> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet
>> >> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >> >>> proves nothing.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the
>> >> >> >> >> trial.
>> >> >> >> >> Because
>> >> >> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent,
>> >> >> >> >> incontinent
>> >> >> >> >> stupid
>> >> >> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law,
>> >> >> >> >they
>> >> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and
>> >> >> >> >where he
>> >> >> >> >received a guilty verdict.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> NY state and lobby your
>> >> >> >> legislators.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Swill
>> >> >> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a
>> >> >> >sham.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Biggest city in North America.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Financial capitol of the planet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Something's working.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...
>> >>
>> >> Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993.
>> >> But
>> >> that's a fact and
>> >> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?
>> >
>> > Back that up.
>>
>>
>> Actually, it would make sense..
>> I mean when you stop arresting people for violent crime..
>> you reduce the number of people prosecuted for a violent crime,..
>> which reduces the number convicted of a violent crime.
>>
>> Liberals have finally figured out how to reduce violent crime... ignore
>> it.
>> Then why wonder why we won't give up our guns.
>>
>
> Good seeing you back.