On 6/21/2024 12:06 PM, J Carlson wrote:
> And don't you forget it.

How'd you lose your sleazynews account, Rudey?

On 6/21/2024 12:09 PM, J Carlson wrote:
> No such poster here

How'd you lose your sleazynews account, Rudey?

On 6/21/2024 12:11 PM, J Carlson wrote:
> There are no "invaders,

How'd you lose your sleazynews account, Rudey?

On 6/21/2024 1:26 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> Come now!

What happened to your Sleazynews account, tRudey?

On 6/21/2024 1:29 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> Try to keep up, moron.

What happened to your Sleazynews account, tRudey?

On 6/21/2024 1:31 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> It's Too Late

What happened to your Sleazynews account, tRudey?

On 6/21/2024 1:37 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> Baby I'm-a Want You

What happened to your Sleazynews account, tRudey?

Did it get CANCELED?

Did you have to pay the SPAM cleanup fees?

On 6/21/2024 1:47 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> The Light Is On

What happened to your Sleazynews account, tRudey?

Did it get CANCELED?

Did you have to pay the SPAM cleanup fees?

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:50:33 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>"Governor Swill" wrote in message
>news:c1g97jt0aeq0unru7nnh4qb9n1ifq6j980@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:27:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It was worse under Obama and his predecessors. It was on the way down
>>>under
>>>Trump.
>>
>>It's mind boggling to see how much of Trump's candy you suck on.
>>
>
>Candy? Like the MSM kool aid?

I ignore the MSM, as you call it. There are too many other ways of getting information.

Swill
NP: Bread - Make It With You

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:44:31 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>It's not the same people who are talking about it, dummy. Geez.
>In some cases people who no longer work for gov. and CIA etc. have come
>forward about it, at great risk to themselves and their families. Many have
>been murdered as a result.

You can't prove any of that either.

Swill

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 14:55:11 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>The MSM and gov. keep claiming they're only conspiracy theories and you
>never question or research it.

Yeah, we do and yes, they are.

Swill

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:57:59 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Discrediting sources is the government's number one tactic for burying information that they don't
>approve of.

The *government's* number one tactic?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Swill

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:39:21 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>There is plenty of insider information on non human civilisations living
>below the earth, oceans and in this solar system. You just don't know
>anything about it.

No offense but ... you're nuts. No, really, I mean it. You're infuckingsane. Makes it
easier to understand your support for the orange asshole.

Swill
NP: Carly Simon - The Spy Who Loved Me

% wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
>> Oh the irony, we have made you totally run from most topics here.
>>
> >
> TINW, pissbum noob

Wishful thinking, curt.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:667598fd$0$3068691$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v543qj$376qj$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v5313l$30qr3$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>> > "Baxter" wrote in message news:v52rc2$2vlkp$5@dont-email.me...
>> >>
>> >>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>> >>news:v52pf4$2vibu$1@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It's not the same people who are talking about it, dummy. Geez.
>> >>> In some cases people who no longer work for gov. and CIA etc.
>> >>> have come forward about it, at great risk to themselves and their
>> families.
>> >>> Many have been murdered as a result.
>> >>>
>> >>Murdered? That's a load of horse shit.
>> >>
>> >
>> > And how are you so sure of that?
>> > Just another mainstream follower.
>>
>> Where's YOUR evidence? Go ahead, post references to these killers
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>We here those conspiracy theories
>> >>all the time,
>> >>
>> >
>> > The MSM and gov. keep claiming they're only conspiracy theories and
>> > you never question or research it.
>>
>> They have been researched extensively.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>never any facts to back them. Vince Foster anyong?
>> >>
>> >
>> > The MSM that you follow doesn't give any facts.
>> >
>> >
>> What you call "facts" are bogus conspiracy theories - not actual
>> facts.
>
> Oh the irony, we have made you totally run from most topics here. Try
> again.
>

See above - I called for you to support your claim = and you run from it.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:6675da81$0$212411$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <v54fot$38mfs$11@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/21/2024 10:38 AM, Chips Loral wrote:
>> > Baxter wrote:
>> >> Now the video starts with Biden triping on a sandbag - how is that
>> >> comedic?
>> >
>> > How is leaving our borders open for invaders
>>
>> There are no "invaders," spammy, you stupid blowjob and feckless
>> cunt, and the borders are not open. Fuck off, cocksucker.
>
> So all those crossing are doing it legally?
>

So what?! The LAW says, that if you're here you are allowed to apply for
asylum.

Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in
news:v55ddp$3if4b$6@dont-email.me:

> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6675da81$0$212411$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <v54fot$38mfs$11@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/21/2024 10:38 AM, Chips Loral wrote:
>>> > Baxter wrote:
>>> >> Now the video starts with Biden triping on a sandbag - how is
>>> >> that comedic?
>>> >
>>> > How is leaving our borders open for invaders
>>>
>>> There are no "invaders," spammy, you stupid blowjob and feckless
>>> cunt, and the borders are not open. Fuck off, cocksucker.
>>
>> So all those crossing are doing it legally?
>>
>
> So what?! The LAW says, that if you're here you are allowed to apply
> for asylum.

You've never read the law or you wouldn't have written that.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 12:56:26 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 11:19 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 18:12:21 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/2024 4:55 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:37:40 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

(snip)

>>>>> Voters Prefer Trump Over Biden on Economy. This Data Shows Why
>>>>> Biden has delivered the strongest job market in decades ...
>>>>
>>>>> ... [using illegals]
>>>>
>>>> Explain! Bet you can't. You just parrot Moran hoping he knows what the
>>>> fuck he's talking about.
>>
>> And I was right, wasn't I, Polly?
>
>Illegals, crackerbrain.

Repeating the same word over and over is not an explanation. How do
illegals contribute, or even cause, "the strongest job market in
decades"?
>
>>>>
>>>>> ... but inflation slowed gains in living standards.
>>>>
>>>> "Slowed gains" The key word here, genius, is "gaines". Do you even
>>>> read the shit you copy paste?
>>>
>>> Gains from ILLEGALS who depress wages for the rest of the job market,
>>> thereby creating MORE income inequality, ya dolthead dane.
>>
>> Illegals depress wages and that creates income inequality which
>> results in gaines in living standards...
>
>No, it results in massive unemployment in the black community mainly:
>
>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigration-and-black-voters/

What you are saying is that the low paying jobs, that can be handled
by the unskilled and under-educated 'illegals' should be given to the
members of the black community.

(snip)

No need to post the text. I always read the links.
>
>> Shooting yourself in the foot is not a coup de grace in my book.
>
>But supporting wage slave social deflation is?

You seem to be fine with it, as long as it keeps the black community
in their proper place.

--
Malte Runz

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:02:51 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 11:53 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> Is there currently a labor shortage in the US?
>
>a.) yes
>
>https://www.lisep.org/tru
>
>True
>Rate of Unemployment
>24.6%
>May 2024

Do you think "labor shortage" is the same as 'high rate of
unemployment'?

--
Malte Runz

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 13:17:19 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 12:15 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:55:51 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/2024 4:35 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:50:16 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>>>>> You never heard of the program?
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, I've heard about it. Kooks always parade it as 'proooooooof!'.
>>>> Funny thing though, nothing ever came of it.
>>>
>>> It was top secret, you think they'd reveal the actual results to us?
>>
>> Then how the hell do you know that it works, if they didn't reveal the
>> results?
>
>Police departments use it on cold cases all the time:

All the time? So there are no unsolved cases?
>
>https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/may/05/seeing-dead-people-remote-viewers-nevada-help-solv/
>
>Last year, a California court convicted a swindler of murder in a case
>that was solved partly, the lead police investigator said, with the help
>of remote viewing, a type of extrasensory perception (ESP) that was
>studied by the U.S. military starting in the 1970s as a way to gather
>intelligence.
>
>Knight’s information went beyond the body identification. He told police
>about a man named Harvey Morrow, a supposed investment adviser, who had
>befriended Williams and was investing Williams’ money — a few million
>dollars — on his behalf.
>
>Investigators looked into it and found that Morrow was stealing
>Williams’ money. By now, after Williams’ death, Morrow wasn’t to be found.
>
>Knight told detectives that remote viewers believed Morrow had fled to
>the British Virgin Islands. One of the viewers even sketched a boat with
>Morrow on board.
>
>Both observations turned out to be accurate.
>
>Clark said Morrow appeared to have no clue he was a suspect. He left the
>Caribbean for a job as a used car salesman in Montana — for a boss who
>was a former cop. He Googled Morrow and discovered he was sought for
>questioning in the Williams homicide.
>
>Morrow was arrested and convicted in November and is now serving a life
>sentence without possibility of parole.

You guys should get rid of the DOJ entirely. Just get a 'medium' or
what ever you call them, and let them tell you who did it.

>> Pull up your pants, for fucks sake.
>>
>> (snip)
>
>Unplug your impacted mind, clownshow:
>
>https://youtu.be/nNOUuiS-1Kg

@0:50 "About 25 to 28% of the time I get the target"

>
>
>>>> "Conclusions
>>>> The foregoing observations provide a compelling argument against
>>>> continuation of the program within the intelligence community. ..."
>>>>
>>>> Still there? Your nightmare continues:
>>>>
>>>> "Even though a statistically significant effect has been observed in
>>>> the laboratory, it remains unclear whether the existence of a
>>>> paranormal phenomenon, remote viewing, has been demonstrated."
>>>>
>>>> And doesn't getter any better for you.
>>>>
>>>> "The laboratory studies do not provide evidence regarding the sources
>>>> or origins of the phenomenon, nor do they address an important
>>>> methodological issue of inter-judge reliability."
>>>
>>> It was top secret, ...
>>
>> So you say. What were they hiding? That it worked?
>
>Partly, more what it worked on and how - far more critical and sensitive
>elements.

Let me repeat the quote for you. You seem to have missed a vital
detail:

"The laboratory studies do not provide evidence regarding the sources
or origins of the phenomenon"

They don't know how it worked (or even if there was something that
'worked'.)

>
>> If they didn't want
>> us to know that it worked, why even talk about it?
>
>Because it leaked out, duh.

Have you even looked at the file you posted? Here is what it says on
the top and bottom of every page:

"Approved For Release 2002/05/22 : CIA [bunch of numbers and letters]"

Was there a leak prior to the release? Who, what, where and when?

>
>> OTOH if they tried
>> to hide that it didn't work, why not just lie about it and say it
>> worked?
>
>Because it did work ...

But, just to be clear, they concluded in the documents approved for
release that they couldn't determine whether or not there was anything
demonstrated.

> ... and they had no need to run a distraction op that
>confirms its efficacy.
>
>> Your reply simply doesn't make sense.

It still doesn't. You say it worked, the CIA says they can't say if
anything worked. You say they want to hide how it worked but that the
CIA didn't need to run a distraction op to confirm its efficacy. What?

>
>Your denials are convoluted and self-defeating.

I'm not denying anything. I quote /your/ sources, and they state
clearly that they have no evidence that anything actually worked.

>
>>> ... you think they'd reveal the actual results to us?
>>
>> [facepalm] Again, if they didn't reveal the results, why do you think
>> it worked?
>>
>> (snip)
>
>It's easy enough to learn online or in person you know:
>
>https://www.monroeinstitute.org/products/remote-viewing-basics
>
>https://remoteviewinguk.com/training/
>
>https://www.opencenter.org/remote-viewing/

Have you taken any of their courses? Obviously not, since you never
got back to me about what is on my living room wall.
>
>You might try it, if you're brave enough to set aside your denialist
>mania for a time.

I don't need to take the course. I can spot the con from here.

>
>>>> Sure... But I think I trust the conclusions from that 'official
>>>> government doc' you so generously supplied.
>>>
>>> It was top secret, you think they'd reveal the actual results to us?
>>
>> Remember that your cited the source as evidence of remote viewing
>> being real.
>
>No reason not too, they funded the Monroe Institute too.
>
>It took public and private sector assets to perfect.

It took the private sector to monetize it. And it took suckers like
you to make it worth their while.
>
>
>> Now you're saying, for the third time, that your source
>> can't be trusted. It's like you're not even trying.
>>
>> (snip)
>
>
>Trusted to reveal ALL?
>
>Never.

But luckily you have access to special insider knowledge and can tell
us about all the stuff they don't reveal.

>
>Some?
>
>Yes.
>
>Then pharm out in the private sector like they did with our former space
>program, same model in many ways.
>
>Your rebuttal-bot schtick is so lame.

Are we to expect a crop of newly trained remote viewers showing up all
over, helping the police, the CIA and FBI, or working as independent
private detectives finding missing people?

--
Malte Runz

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:10:25 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 1:32 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> Have you found that secret subterranean alien base outside of Sidney
>> yet? No? Any news?
>
>How does one find something secret that is underwater, troll?

Ask Andrew. He's the one who says they exist.

--
Malte Runz

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:39:21 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:gpu87jlguffarccvvnag9mcdu52fhf9t2a@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 10:04:31 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:7cg67jt9mh7lo1jjd7i1k9r654teon4d60@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:58:55 -0600, Loran <loran@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Malte Runz wrote:
>>>>>> "The real truth", eh? Like space aliens from Orion holding secret
>>>>>> meetings with governments?
>>>>>
>>>>>https://youtu.be/ItRiw2HwvF0
>>>>>Aliens are here, and they're not our friends, John Lear says
>>>>
>>>>Does your video contain any kind of hard evidence of those meetings
>>>>having taken place?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>You mean so ~you~ don't have to do any research or investigation and can
>>>just take it easy and be shown everything?
>>
>>No. How often do I need to spell it out for you? How fucking dense are
>>you? When I ask that question I already know the answer. I ask it
>>because I want to expose you guys. Just for the fun of it.
>>
>
>So you think you already know everything in the world ...

Strawman.

> ... and just want to have
>fun like a spoiled kid.

Exposing your BS is rather fun.

>
>
>>
>>>You will never learn any truths.
>>
>>Have you found that secret subterranean alien base outside of Sidney
>>yet? No? Any news? 'What are the drums saying, Mike?'
>>
>
>You mean Sydney?
>There is plenty of insider information on non human civilisations living
>below the earth, oceans and in this solar system. You just don't know
>anything about it.

And every time we ask you to cite a source or two you run like hell
and blame me for not having tried to find it myself.

>
>News? Yes. They are systematically removing the scumbags, like the ones you
>follow.

Who are "they" in this case?
>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Baby-blood drink Hollywood elites?
>>>>>
>>>>>https://youtu.be/YhM5LtOkgXA
>>>>>Hollywood PANICS as Mel Gibson EXPOSES Them All!!!
>>>>
>>>>Three exclamation [marks]. I guess it must be true.
>>>>
>>>
>>>But the mainstream media stuff ~is~ true?
>>
>>Why don't you find out for yourself?
>>
>
>Why don't you?

You're the one constantly fixating on 'MSM'.
>
>
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>>>"Psychic abilities are real" What a fucking moron...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Again you just totally ignore all the above mentioned experienced
>>>researchers, investigators and prominent people ...
>>
>>Ignore? I just went through (most of) the material posted as evidence.
>>I didn't buy any of it, and I made it clear that I didn't.
>>
>
>You didn't buy it? You haven't done any research on it. ...

There is nothing substantial to research. Finding youtubers repeating
the claims is not researching anything.

>You think this is all just about believe or not believe. You're just an
>armchair critic. Very immature.

One cannot choose what to believe.

>
>>
>>I've seen
>>and read a lot about the subject. That's why I know it's BS.
>>
>
>You read a bunch of stuff to look for some laughing material. ...

It turned out that way.

> ... Wow.
>And you somehow just magically know what's true and what's BS.

I formed an opinion based on what I learned.

>>> ... who are far smarter and
>>>knowledgeable than you. You just sling mud all the time. ...
>>
>>And my aim is no less than spectacular!
>>
>
>You just gave away your big ego again.

And you just showed us again that you can't spot irony.

>
>
>>
>>> ... You're a smart
>>>arse.
>>
>>Deep State makes me do it, remember! I'm the real victim here.
>>
>
>Until recently you never even heard the term deep state. ...

How do you know when I first heard about the term? In any case, the
term is not the important part. It's the concept. 'They' have always
been part of the conspiracy lore.

> ... Yet somehow you
>just know it's all BS. Because it sounds crazy - to your narrow immature
>mind.

I'm a classic rationalist.

--
Malte Runz

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:16:27 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 1:40 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> Are you saying I have talent?
>
>As a troll?

I see. You don't know what a troll is. Don't blame me for your
reaction to my posts.
>
>
>
> TROLL-O-METER
> 5* 6* *7
> 4* *8
> 3* *9
> 2* *10
> 1* | *stuporous
> 0* -*- *catatonic
> * |\ *comatose
> * \ *clinical death
> * \ *biological death
> * _\/ *demonic apparition
> * * *damned for all eternity
>

I'm simply responding to the kooks.

--
Malte Runz

On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 14:46:44 -0600, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 6/20/2024 2:29 PM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> IOW the "Military Industrial Complex' counts for just under 2% of the
>> US GDP.
>>
>> What about the other 98%? Illegals? Yeah, I bet it's the illegals.
>>
>
>
>"...estimates from the Pew Research Center last fall showed that
>undocumented immigrants made up 22 percent of the total foreign-born
>U.S. population in 2021."
>
>So there's another 22%.

This is insane! You're dead set against "illegals", but keep coming up
with (bogus) claims about how they contribute positively to the strong
US economy. And now you say their presence in the US adds 22% to the
GDP. Are you on drugs?
>
>
>As for GDP - minus trustworthy data ...

You're suffering from the same 'selective trust syndrome' as Andrew W.
You trust Pew, when they provide stats you believe support your
beliefs, but distrust official sources when they collide with your
reality.

> ... and lacking M3 reportage -
>impossible to gauge how much the fed printing press is driving those
>numbers, a lot however.

You think the fed is boosting the GDP by printing money?

>
>https://www.citizen.org/article/military-industrial-complex-contributions-report/
>
>JULY 7, 2022
>
>Military-Industrial Complex Clinches Nearly 450,000% Return on Investment
>After Industry Gives $10 Million to Congressional Defense Committee
>Members, DOD Receives Potential $45 Billion Spending Increase

For comparison:
https://tinyurl.com/3heuyhhy
"The market size, measured by revenue, of the Fast Food Restaurants
industry was $387.5bn in 2023."

>
>https://www.wsj.com/economy/ukraine-war-europe-american-economy-654ca41b
>
>How War in Europe Boosts the U.S. Economy
>European rearmament and American aid to Ukraine flow back to defense
>industrial base

Which is about 2% of the GDP. What about the remaining 98%?

>
>In the two years since Russia invaded Ukraine, the U.S. defense industry
>has experienced a boom in orders for weapons and munitions. Business is
>coming from European allies trying to build out their military
>capabilities as well as from the Pentagon, which is both buying new
>equipment from defense manufacturers and replenishing military stocks
>depleted by deliveries to Ukraine.

Yeah, blame it on Putin. I'm right with you on that one.

--
Malte Runz

In article <v55cph$3if4b$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:667598fd$0$3068691$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <v543qj$376qj$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in news:v5313l$30qr3$1@dont-
> >> email.me:
> >>
> >> > "Baxter" wrote in message news:v52rc2$2vlkp$5@dont-email.me...
> >> >>
> >> >>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
> >> >>news:v52pf4$2vibu$1@dont-email.me:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> It's not the same people who are talking about it, dummy. Geez.
> >> >>> In some cases people who no longer work for gov. and CIA etc.
> >> >>> have come forward about it, at great risk to themselves and their
> >> families.
> >> >>> Many have been murdered as a result.
> >> >>>
> >> >>Murdered? That's a load of horse shit.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > And how are you so sure of that?
> >> > Just another mainstream follower.
> >>
> >> Where's YOUR evidence? Go ahead, post references to these killers
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>We here those conspiracy theories
> >> >>all the time,
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > The MSM and gov. keep claiming they're only conspiracy theories and
> >> > you never question or research it.
> >>
> >> They have been researched extensively.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>never any facts to back them. Vince Foster anyong?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > The MSM that you follow doesn't give any facts.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> What you call "facts" are bogus conspiracy theories - not actual
> >> facts.
> >
> > Oh the irony, we have made you totally run from most topics here. Try
> > again.
> >
>
> See above - I called for you to support your claim = and you run from it.

You are still running from the original topic.