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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Mitchell Holman
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 01:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: dalmationstation@aol.com (Mitchell Holman)
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Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
>> >
>> > > If God made the conscience of men and
>> > > that conscience because corrupt who should
>> > > be punished for it?
>> >
>> > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
>> > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many can be in
>> > > > agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
>> > >
>> > > Societal laws like slavery,
>> > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
>> > > practiced by all cultures at the
>> > > time.
>> >
>> > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those things are all
>> > prevalent today, as then.
>> > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
>>
>> Whose fault is that?
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
>> > >
>> > > Huh?
>> >
>> > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
>>
>> Who created that fruit?
>
> The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.

Huh? Those are not "given".

Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"

>> > >
>> > >
>> > > All children have to be taught
>> > > right from wrong, permissible and non
>> > > permissible, legal vs illegal. It is
>> > > not inate.
>> >
>> > What has that to do with morals?
>>
>> Your claim:
>>
>> "The knowledge of good and evil is inherited"
>
>
>

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Robert
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 06:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
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On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
> > > >
> > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
> > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
> > > > > be punished for it?
> > > >
> > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
> > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many can be in
> > > > > > agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
> > > > >
> > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
> > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
> > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
> > > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those things are all
> > > > prevalent today, as then.
> > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
> > >
> > > Whose fault is that?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
> > > > >
> > > > > Huh?
> > > >
> > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
> > >
> > > Who created that fruit?
> >
> > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
>
> Huh? Those are not "given".
>
> Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"

They, as you well know, have the same creator.
>
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All children have to be taught
> > > > > right from wrong, permissible and non
> > > > > permissible, legal vs illegal. It is
> > > > > not inate.
> > > >
> > > > What has that to do with morals?
> > >
> > > Your claim:
> > >
> > > "The knowledge of good and evil is inherited"

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Mitchell Holman
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 01:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: dalmationstation@aol.com (Mitchell Holman)
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Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
>> > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
>> > > > > be punished for it?
>> > > >
>> > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
>> > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many can
>> > > > > > be in agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
>> > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
>> > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
>> > > > > time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those things
>> > > > are all prevalent today, as then.
>> > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
>> > >
>> > > Whose fault is that?
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Huh?
>> > > >
>> > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
>> > >
>> > > Who created that fruit?
>> >
>> > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
>>
>> Huh? Those are not "given".
>>
>> Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
>
> They, as you well know, have the same creator.

So your mythology is wrong, this
creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
of thought and action", humanity had it
all along.

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Robert
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On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > (in article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
> > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
> > > > > > > be punished for it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
> > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many can
> > > > > > > > be in agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
> > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
> > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
> > > > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those things
> > > > > > are all prevalent today, as then.
> > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whose fault is that?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who created that fruit?
> > > >
> > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
> > >
> > > Huh? Those are not "given".
> > >
> > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
> >
> > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
>
> So your mythology is wrong, this
> creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
> of thought and action", humanity had it
> all along.

It was Created with the creature, be it man of the animal kingdom.

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: dalmationstation@aol.com (Mitchell Holman)
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Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
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> On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.o
>> > > > > rg:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
>> > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
>> > > > > > > be punished for it?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
>> > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many
>> > > > > > > > can be in agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
>> > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
>> > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
>> > > > > > > time.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those
>> > > > > > things are all prevalent today, as then.
>> > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Whose fault is that?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Huh?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Who created that fruit?
>> > > >
>> > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
>> > >
>> > > Huh? Those are not "given".
>> > >
>> > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
>> >
>> > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
>>
>> So your mythology is wrong, this
>> creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
>> of thought and action", humanity had it
>> all along.
>
> It was Created with the creature, be it man of the animal kingdom.

So mankind is no different than the animals.

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Robert
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On May 4, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB168D0A08BF08noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.17>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BE5D069001D0E12309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > (in article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-september.o
> > > > > > > rg:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
> > > > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
> > > > > > > > > be punished for it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
> > > > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so many
> > > > > > > > > > can be in agreement, thus establishing societal laws.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
> > > > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
> > > > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
> > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those
> > > > > > > > things are all prevalent today, as then.
> > > > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whose fault is that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that tree.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who created that fruit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Huh? Those are not "given".
> > > > >
> > > > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
> > > >
> > > > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
> > >
> > > So your mythology is wrong, this
> > > creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
> > > of thought and action", humanity had it
> > > all along.
> >
> > It was Created with the creature, be it man or the animal kingdom.
>
> So mankind is no different than the animals.

In what way?

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Mitchell Holman
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 01:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
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Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BE726E5002186F630B51038F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 4, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB168D0A08BF08noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.17>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BE5D069001D0E12309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.o
>> > > > > rg:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-septemb
>> > > > > > > er.o rg:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>)
>> > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
>> > > > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
>> > > > > > > > > be punished for it?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
>> > > > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so
>> > > > > > > > > > many can be in agreement, thus establishing
>> > > > > > > > > > societal laws.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
>> > > > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
>> > > > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
>> > > > > > > > > time.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those
>> > > > > > > > things are all prevalent today, as then.
>> > > > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Whose fault is that?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Huh?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that
>> > > > > > > > tree.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Who created that fruit?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Huh? Those are not "given".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
>> > > >
>> > > > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
>> > >
>> > > So your mythology is wrong, this
>> > > creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
>> > > of thought and action", humanity had it
>> > > all along.
>> >
>> > It was Created with the creature, be it man or the animal kingdom.
>>
>> So mankind is no different than the animals.
>
> In what way?

Your quote:

"It (freedome of thought and acttion) was
created with the creature, be it man or animal
kingdom"

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Robert
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On May 5, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB169CF58226E7noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.14>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BE726E5002186F630B51038F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On May 4, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB168D0A08BF08noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.17>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BE5D069001D0E12309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > (in article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-september.o
> > > > > > > rg:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-septemb
> > > > > > > > > er.o rg:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.17>)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
> > > > > > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
> > > > > > > > > > > be punished for it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
> > > > > > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why so
> > > > > > > > > > > > many can be in agreement, thus establishing
> > > > > > > > > > > > societal laws.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
> > > > > > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
> > > > > > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
> > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And those
> > > > > > > > > > things are all prevalent today, as then.
> > > > > > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whose fault is that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of that
> > > > > > > > > > tree.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Who created that fruit?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and actions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Huh? Those are not "given".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
> > > > >
> > > > > So your mythology is wrong, this
> > > > > creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
> > > > > of thought and action", humanity had it
> > > > > all along.
> > > >
> > > > It was Created with the creature, be it man or the animal kingdom.
> > >
> > > So mankind is no different than the animals.
> >
> > In what way?
>
> Your quote:
>
> "It (freedome of thought and acttion) was
> created with the creature, be it man or animal
> kingdom”
Hmmm. What a leap! Are you having chaotic thoughts?

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
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Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BE8888400311D3E306D9438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 5, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB169CF58226E7noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.14>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BE726E5002186F630B51038F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 4, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB168D0A08BF08noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.17>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2BE5D069001D0E12309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.o
>> > > > > rg:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-septemb
>> > > > > > > er.o rg:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > > > article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>)
>> > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-sep
>> > > > > > > > > temb er.o rg:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.
>> > > > > > > > > > 17>)
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
>> > > > > > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
>> > > > > > > > > > > be punished for it?
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why
>> > > > > > > > > > > > so many can be in agreement, thus establishing
>> > > > > > > > > > > > societal laws.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
>> > > > > > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
>> > > > > > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
>> > > > > > > > > > > time.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And
>> > > > > > > > > > those things are all prevalent today, as then.
>> > > > > > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Whose fault is that?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Huh?
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of
>> > > > > > > > > > that tree.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Who created that fruit?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and
>> > > > > > > > actions.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Huh? Those are not "given".
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So your mythology is wrong, this
>> > > > > creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
>> > > > > of thought and action", humanity had it
>> > > > > all along.
>> > > >
>> > > > It was Created with the creature, be it man or the animal
>> > > > kingdom.
>> > >
>> > > So mankind is no different than the animals.
>> >
>> > In what way?
>>
>> Your quote:
>>
>> "It (freedome of thought and acttion) was
>> created with the creature, be it man or animal
>> kingdom”
> Hmmm. What a leap! Are you having chaotic thoughts?
>
>

You are the equating humans with
animals in the freedom of thought dept,
remember?

Subject: Re: The 4th Gospel
From: Robert
Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.bible
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On May 6, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB16AD09C46FBFnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.21>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BE8888400311D3E306D9438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On May 5, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB169CF58226E7noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.14>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BE726E5002186F630B51038F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On May 4, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB168D0A08BF08noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.17>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > news:0001HW.2BE5D069001D0E12309C5A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On May 3, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > (in article<XnsB167D2A5A986Fnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.13>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE4B531002EE045305B7438F@news.eternal-september.o
> > > > > > > rg:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 2, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > article<XnsB166D1C8A7D95noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.12>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE33520002AE90630ECC238F@news.eternal-septemb
> > > > > > > > > er.o rg:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > > article<XnsB165D20B48238noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.13>)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > news:0001HW.2BE2BC5B000E9ADB30ECC238F@news.eternal-sep
> > > > > > > > > > > temb er.o rg:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > > > > article<XnsB16580ACD17F9noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 17>)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If God made the conscience of men and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that conscience because corrupt who should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be punished for it?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It becomes corrupt per your choices, not Gods.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which explains why the basic morals and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > understandings of men are so similar, and why
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many can be in agreement, thus establishing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > societal laws.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Societal laws like slavery,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > polytheism, polygamy, genocide,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced by all cultures at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Corruption of consciences are also similar. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > those things are all prevalent today, as then.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The desires of the flesh are all common to man.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Whose fault is that?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The knowledge of good and evil is inherited.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Huh?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > AYUP! Ever since Adam and Eve at of the fruit of
> > > > > > > > > > > > that tree.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Who created that fruit?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The very one that gave you freedom of thought and
> > > > > > > > > > actions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Huh? Those are not "given".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Even wild animals have "freedom of thought and action"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They, as you well know, have the same creator.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So your mythology is wrong, this
> > > > > > > creator didn't give mankind any "freedom
> > > > > > > of thought and action", humanity had it
> > > > > > > all along.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was Created with the creature, be it man or the animal
> > > > > > kingdom.
> > > > >
> > > > > So mankind is no different than the animals.
> > > >
> > > > In what way?
> > >
> > > Your quote:
> > >
> > > "It (freedome of thought and acttion) was
> > > created with the creature, be it man or animal
> > > kingdom”
> > Hmmm. What a leap! Are you having chaotic thoughts?
>
> You are the equating humans with
> animals in the freedom of thought dept,
> remember?

Even a child will recognize the emotions and thoughts of the animal kingdom,
and realize their limitations, but you???

Are you one of those people who carry around one of those rat dogs and
pretend it is your little baby?

Subject	Author
Re: The 4th Gospel	Mitchell Holman
Re: The 4th Gospel	Robert
Re: The 4th Gospel	Mitchell Holman
Re: The 4th Gospel	Robert
Re: The 4th Gospel	Mitchell Holman
Re: The 4th Gospel	Robert
Re: The 4th Gospel	Mitchell Holman
Re: The 4th Gospel	Robert
Re: The 4th Gospel	Mitchell Holman
Re: The 4th Gospel	Robert