He demonstrates contempt for Americans in uniform while claiming to adore
them—but wants service members to “revolt” for him at the ballot box.

By Tom Nichols

Donald Trump has yet again denied that he called people who gave their life in
the service of their country “suckers” and “losers.” But he said those things —
not in dispute — and now he wants to goad the military into voting for him as a
“revolt.”

Donald Trump routinely attacks the institutions of American government,
especially when he feels that those institutions have not served his personal
interests. He has, for example, repeatedly claimed that American elections are
corrupt and rigged, thus smearing the state, county, and local volunteers and
officials who make American democracy a model for the world. He plans to gut the
apolitical U.S. civil service and place it under his political control. And he
has long harbored a special hatred—compounded by his new status as a convicted
felon—for courts and the rule of law. This weekend, at a rally in Las Vegas, he
continued his attacks on the Justice Department and referred to Special Counsel
Jack Smith as “deranged” and a “dumb son of a bitch.”

Give the 45th president credit for being candid about his scorn for most of
America’s institutions. He looks down upon the members of the United States
armed forces as well, but where the military is concerned, Trump engages in a
monumental hypocrisy: He has repeatedly expressed disdain and even disgust for
Americans in the military while claiming to adore them. In Las Vegas, Trump said
yet again that no one loves the military more, or has done more for them, than
him. Such constructions—“no has done more for group X; no one loves group Y
more; no one understands subject Z more than I do”—are a routine part of Trump’s
Mad Libs approach to public speaking.

But these bursts of verbal chaff are especially meaningless in the context of
Trump’s well-documented contempt for the military. Think of his 2015 shot at
John McCain’s time as a prisoner of war (“I like people who weren’t captured”),
his comments floating the idea of executing former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff General Mark Milley, and his sneering earlier this year about Nikki
Haley’s husband (an Army officer who was serving in Africa at the time). As
Michael Hirsh wrote in 2020 in Foreign Policy, even when Trump was at the
military school where his parents effectively exiled him when he was a teenager,
he showed, according to one of his fellow students, “contempt for military
service, discipline, and tradition” and an “ungoverned sense of entitlement”
that included, according to some students, the cardinal military sin of wearing
decorations and medals he had not earned.

This weekend, he was particularly incensed (read: humiliated) by the resurfacing
of Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg’s reporting about Trump referring
to dead American soldiers as “losers” and “suckers.” Goldberg’s article gained
renewed attention during coverage of President Joe Biden’s D-Day speeches in
Europe, when some media outlets pointed out the obvious differences between the
two presidents, noting Trump’s unwillingness in 2018 to visit an American
military cemetery in France. At the Vegas rally, Trump fumed (as he has for
years) at The Atlantic’s reporting on his vulgar disrespect for the fallen,
calling it “a made-up deal from a magazine that’s failing, financial disaster.”
He also referred to Goldberg as “a horrible, radical-left lunatic.”

(These are, of course, standard Trump insults, but for the record, The Atlantic
is profitable, and although I have not formally interviewed our editor on his
political views, I suspect most readers of his work would not place him on the
“radical left.”)

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/06/trump-is-lying-to-the-us-military/678649/

Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.

In article <v4auup$1au0k$1@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>
> He demonstrates contempt for Americans in uniform while claiming to adore
> them?but wants service members to ?revolt? for him at the ballot box.
>
> By Tom Nichols
>
> Donald Trump has yet again denied that he called people who gave their life in
> the service of their country ?suckers? and ?losers.? But he said those things ?
> not in dispute ? and now he wants to goad the military into voting for him as a
> ?revolt.?
>
> Donald Trump routinely attacks the institutions of American government,
> especially when he feels that those institutions have not served his personal
> interests. He has, for example, repeatedly claimed that American elections are
> corrupt and rigged, thus smearing the state, county, and local volunteers and
> officials who make American democracy a model for the world. He plans to gut the
> apolitical U.S. civil service and place it under his political control. And he
> has long harbored a special hatred?compounded by his new status as a convicted
> felon?for courts and the rule of law. This weekend, at a rally in Las Vegas, he
> continued his attacks on the Justice Department and referred to Special Counsel
> Jack Smith as ?deranged? and a ?dumb son of a bitch.?
>
> Give the 45th president credit for being candid about his scorn for most of
> America?s institutions. He looks down upon the members of the United States
> armed forces as well, but where the military is concerned, Trump engages in a
> monumental hypocrisy: He has repeatedly expressed disdain and even disgust for
> Americans in the military while claiming to adore them. In Las Vegas, Trump said
> yet again that no one loves the military more, or has done more for them, than
> him. Such constructions??no has done more for group X; no one loves group Y
> more; no one understands subject Z more than I do??are a routine part of Trump?s
> Mad Libs approach to public speaking.
>
> But these bursts of verbal chaff are especially meaningless in the context of
> Trump?s well-documented contempt for the military. Think of his 2015 shot at
> John McCain?s time as a prisoner of war (?I like people who weren?t captured?),
> his comments floating the idea of executing former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
> of Staff General Mark Milley, and his sneering earlier this year about Nikki
> Haley?s husband (an Army officer who was serving in Africa at the time). As
> Michael Hirsh wrote in 2020 in Foreign Policy, even when Trump was at the
> military school where his parents effectively exiled him when he was a teenager,
> he showed, according to one of his fellow students, ?contempt for military
> service, discipline, and tradition? and an ?ungoverned sense of entitlement?
> that included, according to some students, the cardinal military sin of wearing
> decorations and medals he had not earned.
>
> This weekend, he was particularly incensed (read: humiliated) by the resurfacing
> of Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg?s reporting about Trump referring
> to dead American soldiers as ?losers? and ?suckers.? Goldberg?s article gained
> renewed attention during coverage of President Joe Biden?s D-Day speeches in
> Europe, when some media outlets pointed out the obvious differences between the
> two presidents, noting Trump?s unwillingness in 2018 to visit an American
> military cemetery in France. At the Vegas rally, Trump fumed (as he has for
> years) at The Atlantic?s reporting on his vulgar disrespect for the fallen,
> calling it ?a made-up deal from a magazine that?s failing, financial disaster.?
> He also referred to Goldberg as ?a horrible, radical-left lunatic.?
>
> (These are, of course, standard Trump insults, but for the record, The Atlantic
> is profitable, and although I have not formally interviewed our editor on his
> political views, I suspect most readers of his work would not place him on the
> ?radical left.?)
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/06/trump-is-lying-to-the-us-military/678649/
>
> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.

You're just upset because people are listening to Trump.

On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.

Prove it. Post a link to a quote.

On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>
> Prove it.

John Kelly proved it.

[Default] "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:

>On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>
>> Prove it.
>
>John Kelly proved it.

Note that no link was provided.

On 6/11/2024 6:51 PM, J Carlson wrote:
> He demonstrates contempt for Americans in uniform while claiming to
> adore them—but wants service members to “revolt” for him at the ballot box.
>
> By Tom Nichols
>
> Donald Trump has yet again denied that he called people who gave their
> life in the service of their country “suckers” and “losers.”

Where's the YouTube video, job ball?

In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>
> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> >> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
> >
> > Prove it.
>
> John Kelly proved it.

So no proof from you again.

In article <666b05c0$2$3738376$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
>
> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
> >
> > On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> > > On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> > >> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
> > >
> > > Prove it.
> >
> > John Kelly proved it.
>
> So no proof from you again.
>
>
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

Read it and weep, drug addled trailer trash pissbum.

On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> John Kelly proved it.
>
> So no proof from you again.

John Kelly proved it.

On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> John Kelly proved it.
>
> So no proof from you again.

"John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in rational dispute.

In article <v4f2sg$2asea$3@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>
> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
> >>
> >> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> >>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
> >>>
> >>> Prove it.
> >>
> >> John Kelly proved it.
> >
No he didn't and you can't either.

[Default] "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:

>On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>
>> So no proof from you again.
>
>John Kelly proved it.

ANd again "Cunt Flaps" fails to provide proof.

On 6/13/2024 9:21 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v4f2sg$2asea$3@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>>
> No he didn't and

He did.

On 6/13/2024 9:21 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v4f385$2asea$4@dont-email.me>, chris.the.guy@usatoday.com
> says...
>>
>> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>>
>>> So no proof from you again.
>>
>> "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543
>>
>> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in rational dispute.
>
> No he didn't.

He did. This is settled and not in rational dispute.

On 6/13/2024 10:49 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <v4faf8$2c6d2$27@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>
>> On 6/13/2024 9:21 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <v4f385$2asea$4@dont-email.me>, chris.the.guy@usatoday.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So no proof from you again.
>>>>
>>>> "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543
>>>>
>>>> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in rational dispute.
>>>
>>> No he didn't.
>>
>> He did. This is settled and not in rational dispute.
>
> He didn't and

He did.

======================================
Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
Pathetic vandalism of follow ups in an impotent attempt
to stop being bitch-slapped into next week
repaired and restored.
======================================

[Default] "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:

>>>>> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in rational dispute.
>>>>
>>>> No he didn't.
>>>
>>> He did. This is settled and not in rational dispute.
>>
>> He didn't and
>
>He did.

And for the third time, "Cunt Flaps" fails to offer proof.

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
news:v4f2sg$2asea$3@dont-email.me:

> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump
>>>>> is filth.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>
>> So no proof from you again.
>
> John Kelly proved it.

This John Kelly?

https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=86321

Chris Mueller <chris.the.guy@usatoday.com> wrote in
news:v4f385$2asea$4@dont-email.me:

> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell,
> convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump
>>>>> is filth.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>
>> So no proof from you again.
>
> "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members
> and veterans"
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump
> -privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543
>
> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in
> rational dispute.

This John Kelly? You certainly know how to pick your friends.

https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=86321

J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
news:v4fab5$2c6d2$18@dont-email.me:

> On 6/13/2024 9:21 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell,
> convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
>> In article <v4f2sg$2asea$3@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers."
>>>>>>> Trump is filth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>>>
>> No he didn't and
>
> He did.

Bet he didn't.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:16:14 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
wrote:

>On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>
>Prove it. Post a link to a quote.

If it were proven that Trump did say those things, would you be okay
with it?

--
Malte Runz

In article <6htn6jl50epsa0j5cignee4655apiufdot@4ax.com>,
nobodys@busine.ss says...
>
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:16:14 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
> >> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
> >
> >Prove it. Post a link to a quote.
>
> If it were proven that Trump did say those things, would you be okay
> with it?

You pick and choose his words. No honesty on the left.

Jonathan David Ball wrote:
> On 6/13/2024 7:44 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>
>> In article <v4cc7t$1mncl$10@dont-email.me>, j_carlson@gmx.com says...
>>>
>>> On 6/12/2024 4:16 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>>>>> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> John Kelly proved it.
>>
>> So no proof from you again.
>
> "John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans"
> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543
>
> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in rational dispute.

John Kelly merely repeated what The Atlantic alleged, all based on
anonymous sources.

That means it never happened.

On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 02:22:23 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6htn6jl50epsa0j5cignee4655apiufdot@4ax.com>,
>nobodys@busine.ss says...
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:16:14 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 6/11/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> Trump called dead American soldiers "losers" and "suckers." Trump is filth.
>> >
>> >Prove it. Post a link to a quote.
>>
>> If it were proven that Trump did say those things, would you be okay
>> with it?
>
>You pick and choose his words. No honesty on the left.

You pick and choose his words. No honesty on the right.

Swill
--
"I don't like saying the word, "bullshit" in front of these beautiful children so I won't say it. I will not say it."
- Donald Trump in Phoenix, AZ - Thursday, June 6, 2024

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>
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>
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>
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Lookie how Rudey lost his sleazy news account, lololol!

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"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
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> ======================================
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> Pathetic vandalism of follow ups in an impotent attempt
> to stop being bitch-slapped into next week
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> ======================================
>
> [Default] "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:
>
>>>>>> Trump called dead soldiers "suckers" and "losers." This is not in
>>>>>> rational dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> No he didn't.
>>>>
>>>> He did. This is settled and not in rational dispute.
>>>
>>> He didn't and
>>
>>He did.
>
> And for the third time, "Cunt Flaps" fails to offer proof.

Sure he did... he claimed it was "settled" and "not in rational dispute"
which proves it is neither.