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Subject: Trump's Failed 4 Year Term - Not Worth Repeating Beyond 2024
From: Ghost
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Like others before him, modern American presidents fail when they cannot
master or comprehend the government that they inherit. This is a hard
concept to grasp in an age when non-stop media coverage leads us to focus
on the president�s communication skills and when presidents themselves
value spin more than expertise. But in the end presidential failure is
about reality, not words�no matter how lofty and inspiring or how crude and
insulting.

Contemporary presidents are especially prone to mistaking spin for reality
for several reasons. First of all, they are nominated not by other elected
officials who have some sense of what it takes to govern, but by activists
and party electorates who value inspiration and entertainment. Second, the
importance of mass communication leads presidents to believe that the words
and activities that got them into office can work once they are in office:
more rallies, more speeches, more tweets, and more television advertising.

Nothing can be further from the truth.

Presidential scholars have been aware of the disjuncture between
campaigning and governing for some time now. More than a decade ago, Sam
Kernell wrote a book called Going Public: New Strategies of Presidential
Leadership (CQ Press, 2007), in which he showed that beginning with
President Kennedy, modern presidents spent a great deal more time on minor
presidential addresses and on domestic and international travel than their
predecessors. All this communication, he argued, came at the expense of
actual governing. Later on another presidential scholar, George C. Edwards
III, writing in Overreach, Leadership in the Obama Presidency (Princeton
University Press, 2012) argued that Obama thought he could go directly to
the public to get support for his programs, an approach that placed
communication over negotiation and that resulted in a stunning midterm loss
for his party.

Reality still matters, and spin has its limits�even in an era of social
media.

As long as things are going okay for most people, Americans tolerate a
president�s verbal gymnastics. But when people are in trouble, even the
most ardent government haters ask that famous question: �Where�s the
government?� And for most Americans, the president is the government.
Following the botched federal response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the
collateral damage to the presidency of George W. Bush was extensive. His
popularity never recovered and his second-term agenda, including bold
changes to Social Security, was destroyed. Nearly a decade later when
President Obama rolled out his signature achievement, the Affordable Care
Act, the hugely embarrassing crashing of the computer systems meant to
implement the act increased Republican opposition to it and undermined
public confidence in the government�s ability to implement important
executive actions.

Trump�s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from the
rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks he seems
to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation: telling Americans
it was not serious by asserting his �hunches� about data, assuring people
that everyone would be tested even when there were very few tests
available, telling people that we are very close to a vaccine when it is
anywhere from 12 to 18 months away, mistakenly asserting that goods as well
as people from Europe would be forbidden from entering the United States,
and announcing that Google had a website for testing while the initiative
was merely an unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes.
After every presidential statement, �clarifications� were needed. Trump has
the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the
country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over 1,000
points.

We have come to expect verbal imprecision and outright lies from this
president, but that is more easily corrected on less momentous
developments. When there is fundamental incompetence on matters of
tremendous importance, voters punish poor results. And this is where
Trump�s actions on the coronavirus have gone far off target. One of the
most glaring deficiencies of his administration has been the failure to
have enough tests available to identify those infected and to screen others
for possible exposure. South Korea, a country a fraction of the size of the
United States, is testing thousands more people a day than the United
States. The failure to produce tests quickly will go down as one of the
biggest failures in the overall handling of this disease because it
prevented authorities from understanding the scope of the pandemic and
therefore made it difficult for them to undertake appropriate steps to
mitigate its spread. Other countries had tests and now state governments
are rapidly rolling out their own tests after the CDC belatedly removed
regulatory barriers. Even the nation�s chief infectious disease doctor,
Anthony Fauci, has admitted that testing is a major failure�a statement
that is most certainly not one of the president�s talking points.

In this and other areas, Trump has failed to learn from the failures of his
predecessors. When President Ronald Reagan signed into law the fundamental
restructuring of the military known as the Goldwater-Nichols reforms,[1] he
did this knowing that he did not want a military fiasco on his watch like
the failed Iranian rescue mission that did in Jimmy Carter�s presidency.
And following the total breakdown in the Federal Emergency Management
Agency�s handling of Hurricane Katrina, President Barack Obama made sure
his FEMA director was an experienced state emergency management director.
He knew that poor performance during natural disasters would doom his
presidency.

During the Obama Administration, the White House dealt with a precursor of
the coronavirus: the Ebola virus. While the scrambling eventually worked
out thanks to decisive executive office leadership, it illustrated that
pandemics were a fundamental national security threat. They created the
Global Health Security Team in the National Security Council to prepare. In
May of 2018, Trump disbanded the team allegedly because he never thought
pandemics would happen and because �I�m a business person. I don�t like
having thousands of people around when you don�t need them.� Trump�s
hurried justification for abandoning a unit (that was well short of
thousands) showed Trump�s limited understanding of why government is
different from business�it is in the business of preparing for low-
probability events. For instance, the United States military spends
billions every year preparing for wars all over the globe and even in outer
space that may never take place. The art of presidential leadership is
anticipating major problems and coming up with plans to mitigate them.

In addition to learning from past administrations, presidents need the
ability to anticipate reactions to their actions. The Trump administration
has been especially inept on this dimension from the beginning. The first
big executive order he issued, largely banning Muslims from coming to
America, was so ill-conceived that chaos broke out in airports around the
world as people with green cards to work in America and Muslims who had
assisted U.S. military forces in Iraq were initially turned away. Airport
chaos seems to be a specialty of the Trump administration. It reappeared
this past weekend, as Americans came home from Europe in huge numbers
following Trump�s announcement to close off travelers from Europe and
screen returning Americans. When travelers arrived, they found vastly
inadequate staffing at airports and were thus forced into the very
situation medical authorities were warning against: large crowds being
hoarded into small spaces with constant, close contact.

Trump has also failed to fill top government positions and turnover is far
higher than in any other recent administration, as Katherine Tenpas has
tracked on these pages. The absence of expertise in top government jobs is
especially dangerous during emergencies. Also, when positions are filled
they have not necessarily gone to the strongest candidates. Take for
instance leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the
nation�s top agency for infectious diseases. Dr. Robert Redfield�s
appointment was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest
which warned the administration that Redfield lacked a public health
background and that he was under investigation for scientific misconduct.

Modern presidents inherit an enormous enterprise called the federal
government that employs about the same number of people as the 6 largest
U.S. companies and has a combined annual revenue that is larger than the
combined revenues of the top 16 companies in the Fortune 500.[2] No wonder
modern presidents have had trouble managing this enterprise�in an
organization this big, something is always going right and something is
always going wrong. A president who understands what�s going right can call
on deep wells of expertise to protect himself from the failures that will
inevitably be attributed to him. And on the flip side, a president who is
aware of what�s going wrong can take corrective actions and try to stave
off the kinds of bureaucratic meltdowns that will also be attributed to
him.


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On 6/10/2024 6:30 PM, Ghost wrote:
> Like others before him, modern American presidents

Brookings... HA! HA! HA!

> https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cl74z4V85M

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In article <v489cf$ncdq$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>
> Like others before him, modern American presidents fail when they cannot
> master or comprehend the government that they inherit. This is a hard
> concept to grasp in an age when non-stop media coverage leads us to focus
> on the president?s communication skills and when presidents themselves
> value spin more than expertise. But in the end presidential failure is
> about reality, not words?no matter how lofty and inspiring or how crude and
> insulting.
>
> Contemporary presidents are especially prone to mistaking spin for reality
> for several reasons. First of all, they are nominated not by other elected
> officials who have some sense of what it takes to govern, but by activists
> and party electorates who value inspiration and entertainment. Second, the
> importance of mass communication leads presidents to believe that the words
> and activities that got them into office can work once they are in office:
> more rallies, more speeches, more tweets, and more television advertising.
>
> Nothing can be further from the truth.
>
> Presidential scholars have been aware of the disjuncture between
> campaigning and governing for some time now. More than a decade ago, Sam
> Kernell wrote a book called Going Public: New Strategies of Presidential
> Leadership (CQ Press, 2007), in which he showed that beginning with
> President Kennedy, modern presidents spent a great deal more time on minor
> presidential addresses and on domestic and international travel than their
> predecessors. All this communication, he argued, came at the expense of
> actual governing. Later on another presidential scholar, George C. Edwards
> III, writing in Overreach, Leadership in the Obama Presidency (Princeton
> University Press, 2012) argued that Obama thought he could go directly to
> the public to get support for his programs, an approach that placed
> communication over negotiation and that resulted in a stunning midterm loss
> for his party.
>
> Reality still matters, and spin has its limits?even in an era of social
> media.
>
> As long as things are going okay for most people, Americans tolerate a
> president?s verbal gymnastics. But when people are in trouble, even the
> most ardent government haters ask that famous question: ?Where?s the
> government?? And for most Americans, the president is the government.
> Following the botched federal response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the
> collateral damage to the presidency of George W. Bush was extensive. His
> popularity never recovered and his second-term agenda, including bold
> changes to Social Security, was destroyed. Nearly a decade later when
> President Obama rolled out his signature achievement, the Affordable Care
> Act, the hugely embarrassing crashing of the computer systems meant to
> implement the act increased Republican opposition to it and undermined
> public confidence in the government?s ability to implement important
> executive actions.
>
> Trump?s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from the
> rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks he seems
> to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation: telling Americans
> it was not serious by asserting his ?hunches? about data, assuring people
> that everyone would be tested even when there were very few tests
> available, telling people that we are very close to a vaccine when it is
> anywhere from 12 to 18 months away, mistakenly asserting that goods as well
> as people from Europe would be forbidden from entering the United States,
> and announcing that Google had a website for testing while the initiative
> was merely an unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes.
> After every presidential statement, ?clarifications? were needed. Trump has
> the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the
> country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over 1,000
> points.
>
> We have come to expect verbal imprecision and outright lies from this
> president, but that is more easily corrected on less momentous
> developments. When there is fundamental incompetence on matters of
> tremendous importance, voters punish poor results. And this is where
> Trump?s actions on the coronavirus have gone far off target. One of the
> most glaring deficiencies of his administration has been the failure to
> have enough tests available to identify those infected and to screen others
> for possible exposure. South Korea, a country a fraction of the size of the
> United States, is testing thousands more people a day than the United
> States. The failure to produce tests quickly will go down as one of the
> biggest failures in the overall handling of this disease because it
> prevented authorities from understanding the scope of the pandemic and
> therefore made it difficult for them to undertake appropriate steps to
> mitigate its spread. Other countries had tests and now state governments
> are rapidly rolling out their own tests after the CDC belatedly removed
> regulatory barriers. Even the nation?s chief infectious disease doctor,
> Anthony Fauci, has admitted that testing is a major failure?a statement
> that is most certainly not one of the president?s talking points.
>
> In this and other areas, Trump has failed to learn from the failures of his
> predecessors. When President Ronald Reagan signed into law the fundamental
> restructuring of the military known as the Goldwater-Nichols reforms,[1] he
> did this knowing that he did not want a military fiasco on his watch like
> the failed Iranian rescue mission that did in Jimmy Carter?s presidency.
> And following the total breakdown in the Federal Emergency Management
> Agency?s handling of Hurricane Katrina, President Barack Obama made sure
> his FEMA director was an experienced state emergency management director.
> He knew that poor performance during natural disasters would doom his
> presidency.
>
> During the Obama Administration, the White House dealt with a precursor of
> the coronavirus: the Ebola virus. While the scrambling eventually worked
> out thanks to decisive executive office leadership, it illustrated that
> pandemics were a fundamental national security threat. They created the
> Global Health Security Team in the National Security Council to prepare. In
> May of 2018, Trump disbanded the team allegedly because he never thought
> pandemics would happen and because ?I?m a business person. I don?t like
> having thousands of people around when you don?t need them.? Trump?s
> hurried justification for abandoning a unit (that was well short of
> thousands) showed Trump?s limited understanding of why government is
> different from business?it is in the business of preparing for low-
> probability events. For instance, the United States military spends
> billions every year preparing for wars all over the globe and even in outer
> space that may never take place. The art of presidential leadership is
> anticipating major problems and coming up with plans to mitigate them.
>
> In addition to learning from past administrations, presidents need the
> ability to anticipate reactions to their actions. The Trump administration
> has been especially inept on this dimension from the beginning. The first
> big executive order he issued, largely banning Muslims from coming to
> America, was so ill-conceived that chaos broke out in airports around the
> world as people with green cards to work in America and Muslims who had
> assisted U.S. military forces in Iraq were initially turned away. Airport
> chaos seems to be a specialty of the Trump administration. It reappeared
> this past weekend, as Americans came home from Europe in huge numbers
> following Trump?s announcement to close off travelers from Europe and
> screen returning Americans. When travelers arrived, they found vastly
> inadequate staffing at airports and were thus forced into the very
> situation medical authorities were warning against: large crowds being
> hoarded into small spaces with constant, close contact.
>
> Trump has also failed to fill top government positions and turnover is far
> higher than in any other recent administration, as Katherine Tenpas has
> tracked on these pages. The absence of expertise in top government jobs is
> especially dangerous during emergencies. Also, when positions are filled
> they have not necessarily gone to the strongest candidates. Take for
> instance leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the
> nation?s top agency for infectious diseases. Dr. Robert Redfield?s
> appointment was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest
> which warned the administration that Redfield lacked a public health
> background and that he was under investigation for scientific misconduct.
>
> Modern presidents inherit an enormous enterprise called the federal
> government that employs about the same number of people as the 6 largest
> U.S. companies and has a combined annual revenue that is larger than the
> combined revenues of the top 16 companies in the Fortune 500.[2] No wonder
> modern presidents have had trouble managing this enterprise?in an
> organization this big, something is always going right and something is
> always going wrong. A president who understands what?s going right can call
> on deep wells of expertise to protect himself from the failures that will
> inevitably be attributed to him. And on the flip side, a president who is
> aware of what?s going wrong can take corrective actions and try to stave
> off the kinds of bureaucratic meltdowns that will also be attributed to
> him.
>
> As Oval Office leadership fails while the pandemic spreads, governors,
> mayors, university presidents, religious leaders, business executives, and
> health providers are stepping into the leadership vacuum that has been the
> Trump presidency. They have sent workers home to telework, announced their
> own social distancing rules, and developed their steps to limit the spread
> of the pandemic. This tragedy teaches us many things about preparedness and
> public health, but it also warns us about the dangers of presidents who are
> manifestly unprepared to govern.
>
> [1] These were named after Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) and
> Congressman William Nichols (D-Ala.) and established a new era of joint
> activity and preparation among the branches of the United States military.
>
> [2] Elaine C. Kamarck, Why Presidents Fail and How they Can Succeed Again,
> Brookings Institution Press, 2016, page 123.
>
>
> https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/


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Ghost wrote:

> Like others before him, modern American presidents fail when they
> cannot master or comprehend the government that they inherit. This is
> a hard concept to grasp in an age when non-stop media coverage leads
> us to focus on the president’s communication skills and when
> presidents themselves value spin more than expertise. But in the end
> presidential failure is about reality, not words—no matter how lofty
> and inspiring or how crude and insulting.
>
> Contemporary presidents are especially prone to mistaking spin for
> reality for several reasons. First of all, they are nominated not by
> other elected officials who have some sense of what it takes to
> govern, but by activists and party electorates who value inspiration
> and entertainment. Second, the importance of mass communication leads
> presidents to believe that the words and activities that got them
> into office can work once they are in office: more rallies, more
> speeches, more tweets, and more television advertising.
>
> Nothing can be further from the truth.
>
> Presidential scholars have been aware of the disjuncture between
> campaigning and governing for some time now. More than a decade ago,
> Sam Kernell wrote a book called Going Public: New Strategies of
> Presidential Leadership (CQ Press, 2007), in which he showed that
> beginning with President Kennedy, modern presidents spent a great
> deal more time on minor presidential addresses and on domestic and
> international travel than their predecessors. All this communication,
> he argued, came at the expense of actual governing. Later on another
> presidential scholar, George C. Edwards III, writing in Overreach,
> Leadership in the Obama Presidency (Princeton University Press, 2012)
> argued that Obama thought he could go directly to the public to get
> support for his programs, an approach that placed communication over
> negotiation and that resulted in a stunning midterm loss for his
> party.
>
> Reality still matters, and spin has its limits—even in an era of
> social media.
>
> As long as things are going okay for most people, Americans tolerate
> a president’s verbal gymnastics. But when people are in trouble, even
> the most ardent government haters ask that famous question: “Where’s
> the government?” And for most Americans, the president is the
> government. Following the botched federal response to Hurricane
> Katrina in 2005, the collateral damage to the presidency of George W.
> Bush was extensive. His popularity never recovered and his
> second-term agenda, including bold changes to Social Security, was
> destroyed. Nearly a decade later when President Obama rolled out his
> signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act, the hugely
> embarrassing crashing of the computer systems meant to implement the
> act increased Republican opposition to it and undermined public
> confidence in the government’s ability to implement important
> executive actions.
>
> Trump’s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from
> the rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks
> he seems to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation:
> telling Americans it was not serious by asserting his “hunches” about
> data, assuring people that everyone would be tested even when there
> were very few tests available, telling people that we are very close
> to a vaccine when it is anywhere from 12 to 18 months away,
> mistakenly asserting that goods as well as people from Europe would
> be forbidden from entering the United States, and announcing that
> Google had a website for testing while the initiative was merely an
> unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes. After
> every presidential statement, “clarifications” were needed. Trump has
> the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the
> country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over
> 1,000 points.
>
> We have come to expect verbal imprecision and outright lies from this
> president, but that is more easily corrected on less momentous
> developments. When there is fundamental incompetence on matters of
> tremendous importance, voters punish poor results. And this is where
> Trump’s actions on the coronavirus have gone far off target. One of
> the most glaring deficiencies of his administration has been the
> failure to have enough tests available to identify those infected and
> to screen others for possible exposure. South Korea, a country a
> fraction of the size of the United States, is testing thousands more
> people a day than the United States. The failure to produce tests
> quickly will go down as one of the biggest failures in the overall
> handling of this disease because it prevented authorities from
> understanding the scope of the pandemic and therefore made it
> difficult for them to undertake appropriate steps to mitigate its
> spread. Other countries had tests and now state governments are
> rapidly rolling out their own tests after the CDC belatedly removed
> regulatory barriers. Even the nation’s chief infectious disease
> doctor, Anthony Fauci, has admitted that testing is a major failure—a
> statement that is most certainly not one of the president’s talking
> points.
>
> In this and other areas, Trump has failed to learn from the failures
> of his predecessors. When President Ronald Reagan signed into law the
> fundamental restructuring of the military known as the
> Goldwater-Nichols reforms,[1] he did this knowing that he did not
> want a military fiasco on his watch like the failed Iranian rescue
> mission that did in Jimmy Carter’s presidency. And following the
> total breakdown in the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s handling
> of Hurricane Katrina, President Barack Obama made sure his FEMA
> director was an experienced state emergency management director. He
> knew that poor performance during natural disasters would doom his
> presidency.
>
> During the Obama Administration, the White House dealt with a
> precursor of the coronavirus: the Ebola virus. While the scrambling
> eventually worked out thanks to decisive executive office leadership,
> it illustrated that pandemics were a fundamental national security
> threat. They created the Global Health Security Team in the National
> Security Council to prepare. In May of 2018, Trump disbanded the team
> allegedly because he never thought pandemics would happen and because
> “I’m a business person. I don’t like having thousands of people
> around when you don’t need them.” Trump’s hurried justification for
> abandoning a unit (that was well short of thousands) showed Trump’s
> limited understanding of why government is different from business—it
> is in the business of preparing for low- probability events. For
> instance, the United States military spends billions every year
> preparing for wars all over the globe and even in outer space that
> may never take place. The art of presidential leadership is
> anticipating major problems and coming up with plans to mitigate them.
>
> In addition to learning from past administrations, presidents need
> the ability to anticipate reactions to their actions. The Trump
> administration has been especially inept on this dimension from the
> beginning. The first big executive order he issued, largely banning
> Muslims from coming to America, was so ill-conceived that chaos broke
> out in airports around the world as people with green cards to work
> in America and Muslims who had assisted U.S. military forces in Iraq
> were initially turned away. Airport chaos seems to be a specialty of
> the Trump administration. It reappeared this past weekend, as
> Americans came home from Europe in huge numbers following Trump’s
> announcement to close off travelers from Europe and screen returning
> Americans. When travelers arrived, they found vastly inadequate
> staffing at airports and were thus forced into the very situation
> medical authorities were warning against: large crowds being hoarded
> into small spaces with constant, close contact.
>
> Trump has also failed to fill top government positions and turnover
> is far higher than in any other recent administration, as Katherine
> Tenpas has tracked on these pages. The absence of expertise in top
> government jobs is especially dangerous during emergencies. Also,
> when positions are filled they have not necessarily gone to the
> strongest candidates. Take for instance leadership at the Centers for
> Disease Control and Prevention, the nation’s top agency for
> infectious diseases. Dr. Robert Redfield’s appointment was opposed by
> the Center for Science in the Public Interest which warned the
> administration that Redfield lacked a public health background and
> that he was under investigation for scientific misconduct.
>
> Modern presidents inherit an enormous enterprise called the federal
> government that employs about the same number of people as the 6
> largest U.S. companies and has a combined annual revenue that is
> larger than the combined revenues of the top 16 companies in the
> Fortune 500.[2] No wonder modern presidents have had trouble managing
> this enterprise—in an organization this big, something is always
> going right and something is always going wrong. A president who
> understands what’s going right can call on deep wells of expertise to
> protect himself from the failures that will inevitably be attributed
> to him. And on the flip side, a president who is aware of what’s
> going wrong can take corrective actions and try to stave off the
> kinds of bureaucratic meltdowns that will also be attributed to him.
>
> As Oval Office leadership fails while the pandemic spreads,
> governors, mayors, university presidents, religious leaders, business
> executives, and health providers are stepping into the leadership
> vacuum that has been the Trump presidency. They have sent workers
> home to telework, announced their own social distancing rules, and
> developed their steps to limit the spread of the pandemic. This
> tragedy teaches us many things about preparedness and public health,
> but it also warns us about the dangers of presidents who are
> manifestly unprepared to govern.
>
> [1] These were named after Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) and
> Congressman William Nichols (D-Ala.) and established a new era of
> joint activity and preparation among the branches of the United
> States military.
>
> [2] Elaine C. Kamarck, Why Presidents Fail and How they Can Succeed
> Again, Brookings Institution Press, 2016, page 123.
>
>
> https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/


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On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:53:28 -0600, Skeeter
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>In article <v489cf$ncdq$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>
>> Like others before him, modern American presidents fail when they cannot
>> master or comprehend the government that they inherit. This is a hard
>> concept to grasp in an age when non-stop media coverage leads us to focus
>> on the president?s communication skills and when presidents themselves
>> value spin more than expertise. But in the end presidential failure is
>> about reality, not words?no matter how lofty and inspiring or how crude and
>> insulting.
>>
>> Contemporary presidents are especially prone to mistaking spin for reality
>> for several reasons. First of all, they are nominated not by other elected
>> officials who have some sense of what it takes to govern, but by activists
>> and party electorates who value inspiration and entertainment. Second, the
>> importance of mass communication leads presidents to believe that the words
>> and activities that got them into office can work once they are in office:
>> more rallies, more speeches, more tweets, and more television advertising.
>>
>> Nothing can be further from the truth.
>>
>> Presidential scholars have been aware of the disjuncture between
>> campaigning and governing for some time now. More than a decade ago, Sam
>> Kernell wrote a book called Going Public: New Strategies of Presidential
>> Leadership (CQ Press, 2007), in which he showed that beginning with
>> President Kennedy, modern presidents spent a great deal more time on minor
>> presidential addresses and on domestic and international travel than their
>> predecessors. All this communication, he argued, came at the expense of
>> actual governing. Later on another presidential scholar, George C. Edwards
>> III, writing in Overreach, Leadership in the Obama Presidency (Princeton
>> University Press, 2012) argued that Obama thought he could go directly to
>> the public to get support for his programs, an approach that placed
>> communication over negotiation and that resulted in a stunning midterm loss
>> for his party.
>>
>> Reality still matters, and spin has its limits?even in an era of social
>> media.
>>
>> As long as things are going okay for most people, Americans tolerate a
>> president?s verbal gymnastics. But when people are in trouble, even the
>> most ardent government haters ask that famous question: ?Where?s the
>> government?? And for most Americans, the president is the government.
>> Following the botched federal response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the
>> collateral damage to the presidency of George W. Bush was extensive. His
>> popularity never recovered and his second-term agenda, including bold
>> changes to Social Security, was destroyed. Nearly a decade later when
>> President Obama rolled out his signature achievement, the Affordable Care
>> Act, the hugely embarrassing crashing of the computer systems meant to
>> implement the act increased Republican opposition to it and undermined
>> public confidence in the government?s ability to implement important
>> executive actions.
>>
>> Trump?s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from the
>> rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks he seems
>> to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation: telling Americans
>> it was not serious by asserting his ?hunches? about data, assuring people
>> that everyone would be tested even when there were very few tests
>> available, telling people that we are very close to a vaccine when it is
>> anywhere from 12 to 18 months away, mistakenly asserting that goods as well
>> as people from Europe would be forbidden from entering the United States,
>> and announcing that Google had a website for testing while the initiative
>> was merely an unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes.
>> After every presidential statement, ?clarifications? were needed. Trump has
>> the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the
>> country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over 1,000
>> points.
>>
>> We have come to expect verbal imprecision and outright lies from this
>> president, but that is more easily corrected on less momentous
>> developments. When there is fundamental incompetence on matters of
>> tremendous importance, voters punish poor results. And this is where
>> Trump?s actions on the coronavirus have gone far off target. One of the
>> most glaring deficiencies of his administration has been the failure to
>> have enough tests available to identify those infected and to screen others
>> for possible exposure. South Korea, a country a fraction of the size of the
>> United States, is testing thousands more people a day than the United
>> States. The failure to produce tests quickly will go down as one of the
>> biggest failures in the overall handling of this disease because it
>> prevented authorities from understanding the scope of the pandemic and
>> therefore made it difficult for them to undertake appropriate steps to
>> mitigate its spread. Other countries had tests and now state governments
>> are rapidly rolling out their own tests after the CDC belatedly removed
>> regulatory barriers. Even the nation?s chief infectious disease doctor,
>> Anthony Fauci, has admitted that testing is a major failure?a statement
>> that is most certainly not one of the president?s talking points.
>>
>> In this and other areas, Trump has failed to learn from the failures of his
>> predecessors. When President Ronald Reagan signed into law the fundamental
>> restructuring of the military known as the Goldwater-Nichols reforms,[1] he
>> did this knowing that he did not want a military fiasco on his watch like
>> the failed Iranian rescue mission that did in Jimmy Carter?s presidency.
>> And following the total breakdown in the Federal Emergency Management
>> Agency?s handling of Hurricane Katrina, President Barack Obama made sure
>> his FEMA director was an experienced state emergency management director.
>> He knew that poor performance during natural disasters would doom his
>> presidency.
>>
>> During the Obama Administration, the White House dealt with a precursor of
>> the coronavirus: the Ebola virus. While the scrambling eventually worked
>> out thanks to decisive executive office leadership, it illustrated that
>> pandemics were a fundamental national security threat. They created the
>> Global Health Security Team in the National Security Council to prepare. In
>> May of 2018, Trump disbanded the team allegedly because he never thought
>> pandemics would happen and because ?I?m a business person. I don?t like
>> having thousands of people around when you don?t need them.? Trump?s
>> hurried justification for abandoning a unit (that was well short of
>> thousands) showed Trump?s limited understanding of why government is
>> different from business?it is in the business of preparing for low-
>> probability events. For instance, the United States military spends
>> billions every year preparing for wars all over the globe and even in outer
>> space that may never take place. The art of presidential leadership is
>> anticipating major problems and coming up with plans to mitigate them.
>>
>> In addition to learning from past administrations, presidents need the
>> ability to anticipate reactions to their actions. The Trump administration
>> has been especially inept on this dimension from the beginning. The first
>> big executive order he issued, largely banning Muslims from coming to
>> America, was so ill-conceived that chaos broke out in airports around the
>> world as people with green cards to work in America and Muslims who had
>> assisted U.S. military forces in Iraq were initially turned away. Airport
>> chaos seems to be a specialty of the Trump administration. It reappeared
>> this past weekend, as Americans came home from Europe in huge numbers
>> following Trump?s announcement to close off travelers from Europe and
>> screen returning Americans. When travelers arrived, they found vastly
>> inadequate staffing at airports and were thus forced into the very
>> situation medical authorities were warning against: large crowds being
>> hoarded into small spaces with constant, close contact.
>>
>> Trump has also failed to fill top government positions and turnover is far
>> higher than in any other recent administration, as Katherine Tenpas has
>> tracked on these pages. The absence of expertise in top government jobs is
>> especially dangerous during emergencies. Also, when positions are filled
>> they have not necessarily gone to the strongest candidates. Take for
>> instance leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the
>> nation?s top agency for infectious diseases. Dr. Robert Redfield?s
>> appointment was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest
>> which warned the administration that Redfield lacked a public health
>> background and that he was under investigation for scientific misconduct.
>>
>> Modern presidents inherit an enormous enterprise called the federal
>> government that employs about the same number of people as the 6 largest
>> U.S. companies and has a combined annual revenue that is larger than the
>> combined revenues of the top 16 companies in the Fortune 500.[2] No wonder
>> modern presidents have had trouble managing this enterprise?in an
>> organization this big, something is always going right and something is
>> always going wrong. A president who understands what?s going right can call
>> on deep wells of expertise to protect himself from the failures that will
>> inevitably be attributed to him. And on the flip side, a president who is
>> aware of what?s going wrong can take corrective actions and try to stave
>> off the kinds of bureaucratic meltdowns that will also be attributed to
>> him.
>>
>> As Oval Office leadership fails while the pandemic spreads, governors,
>> mayors, university presidents, religious leaders, business executives, and
>> health providers are stepping into the leadership vacuum that has been the
>> Trump presidency. They have sent workers home to telework, announced their
>> own social distancing rules, and developed their steps to limit the spread
>> of the pandemic. This tragedy teaches us many things about preparedness and
>> public health, but it also warns us about the dangers of presidents who are
>> manifestly unprepared to govern.
>>
>> [1] These were named after Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) and
>> Congressman William Nichols (D-Ala.) and established a new era of joint
>> activity and preparation among the branches of the United States military.
>>
>> [2] Elaine C. Kamarck, Why Presidents Fail and How they Can Succeed Again,
>> Brookings Institution Press, 2016, page 123.
>>
>>
>> https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/
>
>What failures?


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>On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:53:28 -0600, Skeeter
><skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <v489cf$ncdq$1@dont-email.me>, X@Y.com says...
>>>
>>> Like others before him, modern American presidents fail when they cannot
>>> master or comprehend the government that they inherit. This is a hard
>>> concept to grasp in an age when non-stop media coverage leads us to focus
>>> on the president?s communication skills and when presidents themselves
>>> value spin more than expertise. But in the end presidential failure is
>>> about reality, not words?no matter how lofty and inspiring or how crude and
>>> insulting.
>>>
>>> Contemporary presidents are especially prone to mistaking spin for reality
>>> for several reasons. First of all, they are nominated not by other elected
>>> officials who have some sense of what it takes to govern, but by activists
>>> and party electorates who value inspiration and entertainment. Second, the
>>> importance of mass communication leads presidents to believe that the words
>>> and activities that got them into office can work once they are in office:
>>> more rallies, more speeches, more tweets, and more television advertising.
>>>
>>> Nothing can be further from the truth.
>>>
>>> Presidential scholars have been aware of the disjuncture between
>>> campaigning and governing for some time now. More than a decade ago, Sam
>>> Kernell wrote a book called Going Public: New Strategies of Presidential
>>> Leadership (CQ Press, 2007), in which he showed that beginning with
>>> President Kennedy, modern presidents spent a great deal more time on minor
>>> presidential addresses and on domestic and international travel than their
>>> predecessors. All this communication, he argued, came at the expense of
>>> actual governing. Later on another presidential scholar, George C. Edwards
>>> III, writing in Overreach, Leadership in the Obama Presidency (Princeton
>>> University Press, 2012) argued that Obama thought he could go directly to
>>> the public to get support for his programs, an approach that placed
>>> communication over negotiation and that resulted in a stunning midterm loss
>>> for his party.
>>>
>>> Reality still matters, and spin has its limits?even in an era of social
>>> media.
>>>
>>> As long as things are going okay for most people, Americans tolerate a
>>> president?s verbal gymnastics. But when people are in trouble, even the
>>> most ardent government haters ask that famous question: ?Where?s the
>>> government?? And for most Americans, the president is the government.
>>> Following the botched federal response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the
>>> collateral damage to the presidency of George W. Bush was extensive. His
>>> popularity never recovered and his second-term agenda, including bold
>>> changes to Social Security, was destroyed. Nearly a decade later when
>>> President Obama rolled out his signature achievement, the Affordable Care
>>> Act, the hugely embarrassing crashing of the computer systems meant to
>>> implement the act increased Republican opposition to it and undermined
>>> public confidence in the government?s ability to implement important
>>> executive actions.
>>>
>>> Trump?s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from the
>>> rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks he seems
>>> to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation: telling Americans
>>> it was not serious by asserting his ?hunches? about data, assuring people
>>> that everyone would be tested even when there were very few tests
>>> available, telling people that we are very close to a vaccine when it is
>>> anywhere from 12 to 18 months away, mistakenly asserting that goods as well
>>> as people from Europe would be forbidden from entering the United States,
>>> and announcing that Google had a website for testing while the initiative
>>> was merely an unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes.
>>> After every presidential statement, ?clarifications? were needed. Trump has
>>> the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the
>>> country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over 1,000
>>> points.
>>>
>>> We have come to expect verbal imprecision and outright lies from this
>>> president, but that is more easily corrected on less momentous
>>> developments. When there is fundamental incompetence on matters of
>>> tremendous importance, voters punish poor results. And this is where
>>> Trump?s actions on the coronavirus have gone far off target. One of the
>>> most glaring deficiencies of his administration has been the failure to
>>> have enough tests available to identify those infected and to screen others
>>> for possible exposure. South Korea, a country a fraction of the size of the
>>> United States, is testing thousands more people a day than the United
>>> States. The failure to produce tests quickly will go down as one of the
>>> biggest failures in the overall handling of this disease because it
>>> prevented authorities from understanding the scope of the pandemic and
>>> therefore made it difficult for them to undertake appropriate steps to
>>> mitigate its spread. Other countries had tests and now state governments
>>> are rapidly rolling out their own tests after the CDC belatedly removed
>>> regulatory barriers. Even the nation?s chief infectious disease doctor,
>>> Anthony Fauci, has admitted that testing is a major failure?a statement
>>> that is most certainly not one of the president?s talking points.
>>>
>>> In this and other areas, Trump has failed to learn from the failures of his
>>> predecessors. When President Ronald Reagan signed into law the fundamental
>>> restructuring of the military known as the Goldwater-Nichols reforms,[1] he
>>> did this knowing that he did not want a military fiasco on his watch like
>>> the failed Iranian rescue mission that did in Jimmy Carter?s presidency.
>>> And following the total breakdown in the Federal Emergency Management
>>> Agency?s handling of Hurricane Katrina, President Barack Obama made sure
>>> his FEMA director was an experienced state emergency management director.
>>> He knew that poor performance during natural disasters would doom his
>>> presidency.
>>>
>>> During the Obama Administration, the White House dealt with a precursor of
>>> the coronavirus: the Ebola virus. While the scrambling eventually worked
>>> out thanks to decisive executive office leadership, it illustrated that
>>> pandemics were a fundamental national security threat. They created the
>>> Global Health Security Team in the National Security Council to prepare. In
>>> May of 2018, Trump disbanded the team allegedly because he never thought
>>> pandemics would happen and because ?I?m a business person. I don?t like
>>> having thousands of people around when you don?t need them.? Trump?s
>>> hurried justification for abandoning a unit (that was well short of
>>> thousands) showed Trump?s limited understanding of why government is
>>> different from business?it is in the business of preparing for low-
>>> probability events. For instance, the United States military spends
>>> billions every year preparing for wars all over the globe and even in outer
>>> space that may never take place. The art of presidential leadership is
>>> anticipating major problems and coming up with plans to mitigate them.
>>>
>>> In addition to learning from past administrations, presidents need the
>>> ability to anticipate reactions to their actions. The Trump administration
>>> has been especially inept on this dimension from the beginning. The first
>>> big executive order he issued, largely banning Muslims from coming to
>>> America, was so ill-conceived that chaos broke out in airports around the
>>> world as people with green cards to work in America and Muslims who had
>>> assisted U.S. military forces in Iraq were initially turned away. Airport
>>> chaos seems to be a specialty of the Trump administration. It reappeared
>>> this past weekend, as Americans came home from Europe in huge numbers
>>> following Trump?s announcement to close off travelers from Europe and
>>> screen returning Americans. When travelers arrived, they found vastly
>>> inadequate staffing at airports and were thus forced into the very
>>> situation medical authorities were warning against: large crowds being
>>> hoarded into small spaces with constant, close contact.
>>>
>>> Trump has also failed to fill top government positions and turnover is far
>>> higher than in any other recent administration, as Katherine Tenpas has
>>> tracked on these pages. The absence of expertise in top government jobs is
>>> especially dangerous during emergencies. Also, when positions are filled
>>> they have not necessarily gone to the strongest candidates. Take for
>>> instance leadership at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the
>>> nation?s top agency for infectious diseases. Dr. Robert Redfield?s
>>> appointment was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest
>>> which warned the administration that Redfield lacked a public health
>>> background and that he was under investigation for scientific misconduct.
>>>
>>> Modern presidents inherit an enormous enterprise called the federal
>>> government that employs about the same number of people as the 6 largest
>>> U.S. companies and has a combined annual revenue that is larger than the
>>> combined revenues of the top 16 companies in the Fortune 500.[2] No wonder
>>> modern presidents have had trouble managing this enterprise?in an
>>> organization this big, something is always going right and something is
>>> always going wrong. A president who understands what?s going right can call
>>> on deep wells of expertise to protect himself from the failures that will
>>> inevitably be attributed to him. And on the flip side, a president who is
>>> aware of what?s going wrong can take corrective actions and try to stave
>>> off the kinds of bureaucratic meltdowns that will also be attributed to
>>> him.
>>>
>>> As Oval Office leadership fails while the pandemic spreads, governors,
>>> mayors, university presidents, religious leaders, business executives, and
>>> health providers are stepping into the leadership vacuum that has been the
>>> Trump presidency. They have sent workers home to telework, announced their
>>> own social distancing rules, and developed their steps to limit the spread
>>> of the pandemic. This tragedy teaches us many things about preparedness and
>>> public health, but it also warns us about the dangers of presidents who are
>>> manifestly unprepared to govern.
>>>
>>> [1] These were named after Senator Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.) and
>>> Congressman William Nichols (D-Ala.) and established a new era of joint
>>> activity and preparation among the branches of the United States military.
>>>
>>> [2] Elaine C. Kamarck, Why Presidents Fail and How they Can Succeed Again,
>>> Brookings Institution Press, 2016, page 123.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/
>>
>>What failures?
>
>Isn't it interesting that the article was pages long but didn't answer
>that simple question?


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Governor Swill wrote:
> Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!
>
> Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!
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> Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.

Gutless little man Jonathan Ball talks a good game but is too terrified
to go to Ukraine himslef and take up arms against the evil Pootin.

He's just a Suckramento failed Solar City installer with a paystub from
the DNC for his leftarded trolling in a near dead social medium.

Subject: Re: Trump's Failed 4 Year Term - Not Worth Repeating Beyond 2024
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