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Subject: God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems within Standard Physics
From: James Redford
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Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point
cosmology is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) demonstrating that
sapient life (in the form of, e.g., immortal superintelligent
human-mind computer-uploads and artificial intelligences) is required
by the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics,
General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) to take control over all
matter in the universe, for said life to eventually force the collapse
of the universe, and for the computational resources of the universe
(in terms of both processor speed and memory storage) to diverge to
infinity as the universe collapses into a final singularity, termed
the Omega Point. Said Omega Point cosmology is also an intrinsic
component of the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
Model Theory of Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all
the forces in physics, of which TOE is itself mathematically forced by
the aforesaid known physical laws.

Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively
peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics
and science journals, such as Reports on Progress in Physics (the
leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main
professional organization for physicists), Monthly Notices of the
Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics
journals), the International Journal of Theoretical Physics (a journal
that Nobel Prize in Physics winner Richard Feynman also published in),
and Physics Letters, among other journals.

Prof. Tipler's Ph.D. is in the field of Global General Relativity,
which is the field created by Profs. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose
during the formulation of their Singularity Theorems in the 1960s.
Global General Relativity is General Relativity applied on the scale
of the entire universe as a whole, and is the most elite and rarefied
field of physics. Tipler is also an expert in quantum field theory
(i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle
physics) and computer theory. Moreover, to here point out, said
Singularity Theorems are themselves completely valid proofs of God's
existence in the First Cause aspect of God.

The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties
(quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. For much
more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it
uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described
in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses
the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
, https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
, https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .

Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which
contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to
multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and
the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
, https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
, https://archive.is/V9njw .

As said, Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology is a mathematical
theorem per the aforementioned known laws of physics, of which have
been confirmed by every experiment to date. Hence, the only way to
avoid the Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. As Prof.
Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem."
(From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of
Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)

Indeed, in the Feynman path integral formulation of Quantum Mechanics
(i.e., sum-over-paths; sum-over-histories) a singularity is even more
inevitable than in the Penrose-Hawking-Geroch Singularity Theorems,
since the Singularity Theorems assume attractive gravity, whereas the
Feynman sum-over-histories get arbitrarily close to infinite
curvature. In other words, the multiverse has its own singularity.

Further, due to Liouville's Theorem in complex analysis, it doesn't
matter what form of physics one resorts to, as any
physically-realistic cosmology (e.g., one capable of incorporating
Quantum Mechanics, since the complex number field is intrinsic to the
mathematical formulations of Quantum Mechanics) must begin at an
initial singularity and end at a final singularity. (As Barrow and
Tipler wrote, "Initial and final cosmological curvature singularities
are required to avoid a universal action singularity." See John D.
Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, "Action principles in nature", Nature,
Vol. 331, No. 6151 [Jan. 7, 1988], pp. 31-34; see also Frank J.
Tipler, "The Structure of the Classical Cosmological Singularity", in
Origin and Early History of the Universe: Proceedings of the 26th
Liège International Astrophyscial Colloquium, July 1-4, 1986
[Cointe-Ougree, Belgium: Universite de Liege, Institut
d'Astrophysique, 1987], pp. 339-359; "Discussion", pp. 360-361.)

* * * * *

Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to
abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're
uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the
antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which
greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years),
due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the
traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also
because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e.,
quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no
form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity
at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical
operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond
creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary
of space and time.

In Prof. Stephen Hawking's book The Grand Design (New York, NY: Bantam
Books) coauthored with physicist Dr. Leonard Mlodinow and published in
2010, Hawking uses the String Theory extension M-Theory to argue that
God's existence isn't necessary, although M-Theory has no
observational evidence confirming it.

With String Theory and other nonempirical physics, the physics
community is reverting back to the epistemological methodology of
Aristotelianism, which held to physical theories based upon *a priori*
philosophical ideals. One of the *a priori* ideals held by many
present-day physicists is that God cannot exist, and so if rejecting
the existence of God requires rejecting empirical science, then so be
it.

For details on this rejection of physical law by physicists if it
conflicts with their distaste for religion, see Sec. 5: "The Big
Bang", pp. 28-33 of my "Physics of God" article cited above.

The evolutionary psychological reason for the above-described bizarre
behavior of physicists rejecting physical law when it demonstrates
God's existence is due to the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of
old--i.e., the demons--seeking to distance people from genuine
knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present
themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests
as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite
real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset
programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on
this, see my following article:

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .

----------------------------------------

James Redford

Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

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On 2/12/2024 10:04 AM, James Redford wrote:
> Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point
> cosmology is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) demonstrating that
> sapient life (in the form of, e.g., immortal superintelligent
> human-mind computer-uploads and artificial intelligences) is required
> by the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics,
> General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) to take control over all
> matter in the universe, for said life to eventually force the collapse
> of the universe, and for the computational resources of the universe
> (in terms of both processor speed and memory storage) to diverge to
> infinity as the universe collapses into a final singularity, termed
> the Omega Point. Said Omega Point cosmology is also an intrinsic
> component of the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
> Model Theory of Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all
> the forces in physics, of which TOE is itself mathematically forced by
> the aforesaid known physical laws.
>
> Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology has been extensively
> peer-reviewed and published in a number of the world's leading physics
> and science journals, such as Reports on Progress in Physics (the
> leading journal of the Institute of Physics, Britain's main
> professional organization for physicists), Monthly Notices of the
> Royal Astronomical Society (one of the world's leading astrophysics
> journals), the International Journal of Theoretical Physics (a journal
> that Nobel Prize in Physics winner Richard Feynman also published in),
> and Physics Letters, among other journals.
>
> Prof. Tipler's Ph.D. is in the field of Global General Relativity,
> which is the field created by Profs. Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose
> during the formulation of their Singularity Theorems in the 1960s.
> Global General Relativity is General Relativity applied on the scale
> of the entire universe as a whole, and is the most elite and rarefied
> field of physics. Tipler is also an expert in quantum field theory
> (i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle
> physics) and computer theory. Moreover, to here point out, said
> Singularity Theorems are themselves completely valid proofs of God's
> existence in the First Cause aspect of God.
>
> The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties
> (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. For much
> more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it
> uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described
> in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses
> the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:
>
> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
> ,
> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>
> Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which
> contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to
> multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and
> the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
>
> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
> ,
> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>
> As said, Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology is a mathematical
> theorem per the aforementioned known laws of physics, of which have
> been confirmed by every experiment to date. Hence, the only way to
> avoid the Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. As Prof.
> Hawking wrote, "one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem."
> (From p. 67 of Stephen Hawking, The Illustrated A Brief History of
> Time [New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1996; 1st ed., 1988].)
>
> Indeed, in the Feynman path integral formulation of Quantum Mechanics
> (i.e., sum-over-paths; sum-over-histories) a singularity is even more
> inevitable than in the Penrose-Hawking-Geroch Singularity Theorems,
> since the Singularity Theorems assume attractive gravity, whereas the
> Feynman sum-over-histories get arbitrarily close to infinite
> curvature. In other words, the multiverse has its own singularity.
>
> Further, due to Liouville's Theorem in complex analysis, it doesn't
> matter what form of physics one resorts to, as any
> physically-realistic cosmology (e.g., one capable of incorporating
> Quantum Mechanics, since the complex number field is intrinsic to the
> mathematical formulations of Quantum Mechanics) must begin at an
> initial singularity and end at a final singularity. (As Barrow and
> Tipler wrote, "Initial and final cosmological curvature singularities
> are required to avoid a universal action singularity." See John D.
> Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, "Action principles in nature", Nature,
> Vol. 331, No. 6151 [Jan. 7, 1988], pp. 31-34; see also Frank J.
> Tipler, "The Structure of the Classical Cosmological Singularity", in
> Origin and Early History of the Universe: Proceedings of the 26th
> Liège International Astrophyscial Colloquium, July 1-4, 1986
> [Cointe-Ougree, Belgium: Universite de Liege, Institut
> d'Astrophysique, 1987], pp. 339-359; "Discussion", pp. 360-361.)
>
> * * * * *
>
> Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to
> abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're
> uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the
> antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which
> greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years),
> due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the
> traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also
> because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e.,
> quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no
> form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity
> at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical
> operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond
> creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary
> of space and time.
>
> In Prof. Stephen Hawking's book The Grand Design (New York, NY: Bantam
> Books) coauthored with physicist Dr. Leonard Mlodinow and published in
> 2010, Hawking uses the String Theory extension M-Theory to argue that
> God's existence isn't necessary, although M-Theory has no
> observational evidence confirming it.
>
> With String Theory and other nonempirical physics, the physics
> community is reverting back to the epistemological methodology of
> Aristotelianism, which held to physical theories based upon *a priori*
> philosophical ideals. One of the *a priori* ideals held by many
> present-day physicists is that God cannot exist, and so if rejecting
> the existence of God requires rejecting empirical science, then so be
> it.
>
> For details on this rejection of physical law by physicists if it
> conflicts with their distaste for religion, see Sec. 5: "The Big
> Bang", pp. 28-33 of my "Physics of God" article cited above.
>
> The evolutionary psychological reason for the above-described bizarre
> behavior of physicists rejecting physical law when it demonstrates
> God's existence is due to the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of
> old--i.e., the demons--seeking to distance people from genuine
> knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present
> themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests
> as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite
> real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset
> programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on
> this, see my following article:
>
> * James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
> Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
> doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
> https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
> ,
> https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
> , https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> James Redford
>
> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf


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On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:29:17 -0800 (PST), Yap Honghor
<hhyapster@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 1:22:20?AM UTC+8, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 2/12/24 10:50 AM, % wrote:
>> >Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >> Wading through your post is worse than trying to watch a Marvel movie.
>> >> It's
>> >> just too much.
>> >>
>> >> I've listened to Dr. Tipler, which, as I recall, was on an episode of
>> >> Closer
>> >> to Truth. He did not come across as having all four wheels on the ground.
>> >>
>> >> In any case, scientific hypotheses need to be testable, hence falsifiable,
>> >> and nothing that you posted seems to fall within the realm of experiment
>> >> and/or observation.
>> >>
>> >> Dawn
>> >
>> >do you ever agree with anything not counting your own way
>> Have I changed my mind on certain questions? Yes, absolutely! I am not at
>> all sure how Dr. Tipler gets from a cosmological scientific model to
>> evangelical New Testament Christianity. In my opinion, such is quite the
>> slippery slope!
>>
>> Dawn
>The stupidity of theists and theism is beyond believe!

A strange statement coming from someone who believes themselves to be
literal existential garbage. Who is anyone to disagree with you?

The below is an excellent lecture by neuroscientist Dr. Sam Harris,
one of the main leaders of the New Atheist movement, at a June 2016
TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) conference.

* "Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris",
*TED* (*TEDtalksDirector*), Oct. 19, 2016,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg . Mirror:
https://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_can_we_build_ai_without_losing_control_over_it
..

As Dr. Harris points out, unless there is something literally magic
about the operations of the brain, then it is a purely physical
process that can be replicated via advanced-enough technology. Harris
further points out that given any rate of progress, it is inevitable
that superintelligent godlike machines will one day be constructed. So
Harris believes in the existence of gods, it's just that he knows--as
do I--that they exist in the future; and the not-so-distant future, at
that. Therefore we come to the ironic insight that materialistic
atheism, consistently applied, unavoidably results in theism.
Consistent scientific atheism turns out to be theism.

----------------------------------------

James Redford

Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:04:52 -0500, James Redford
<jrredford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point
>cosmology is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) demonstrating that
>...

Hi, everyone! For those who are interested, below are more of my
writings:

* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
, https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
, https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .

* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
, https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
, https://archive.is/V9njw .

* James Redford, "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001), 60 pp.,
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761,
https://web.archive.org/web/20120425000701/http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1560442613QRSDHGPCAM ,
https://megalodon.jp/2019-0614-0116-58/archive.org/download/JesusIsAnAnarchist/Redford-Jesus-Is-an-Anarchist.pdf
..

* James Redford, "Libertarian Anarchism Is Apodictically Correct",
Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 15, 2011, 9 pp.,
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1972733,
https://archive.org/download/LibertarianAnarchismIsApodicticallyCorrect/Redford-Apodictic-Libertarianism.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1560442546UTKUJCKYNM ,
https://megalodon.jp/2019-0614-0115-06/archive.org/download/LibertarianAnarchismIsApodicticallyCorrect/Redford-Apodictic-Libertarianism.pdf
..

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .

* James Redford, "God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical
Theorems within Standard Physics", Theophysics: The Physics of God,
May 16, 2022,
https://jamesredford.substack.com/p/gods-existence-is-proven-by-several
, https://www.minds.com/blog/view/1373133123700658189 ,
https://steemit.com/cosmology/@jamesredford/god-s-existence-is-proven-by-several-mathematical-theorems-within-standard-physics
..

* James Redford, "Immortality via Technology", Medium, July 18, 2018,
https://medium.com/@jamesredford/immortality-via-technology-a0e449bc8352
, https://megalodon.jp/2018-0724-0609-53/medium.com/@jamesredford/immortality-via-technology-a0e449bc8352
, https://archive.is/8bwZV .

* James Redford, Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist, updated
Jan. 12, 2022, ark:/13960/t3fz13g1p,
https://archive.org/details/Theophysics ,
https://megalodon.jp/2022-0113-0731-42/archive.org/download/Theophysics/Redford-Theophysics.zip
, https://web.archive.org/web/20220113210852/https://files.catbox.moe/lwohlt.zip
..

* James Redford, The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774,
https://www.elivapress.com/en/book/book-4104804041/ ,
https://www.amazon.com/Physics-Quantum-Gravity-Theory-Everything/dp/1636482775/
, https://web.archive.org/web/20210724032350/https://i.ibb.co/fpFdxrm/Redford-Physics-of-God-book-cover.png
..

* James Redford, "How to Last During Lovemaking Like a True Sex-God
Stud", Internet Archive, May 12, 2019, 6 pp., ark:/13960/t0tr3j398,
https://megalodon.jp/2019-0513-0846-26/archive.org/download/InfiniLastSex/Redford-InfiniLast-Sex-Technique.pdf
, https://webcitation.org/78KGCK1s4 ,
https://www.freezepage.com/1557704775GXQCMMUNJE .

* James Redford, "Curriculum Vitæ of James Redford", Internet Archive,
Jan. 17, 2022, 2 pp., ark:/13960/t6g19878v,
https://megalodon.jp/2022-0118-0709-18/archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
, https://web.archive.org/web/20220419201037/https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1708487139JTPXFBAEDA .

* "@jamesredford", Linktree, https://linktr.ee/jamesredford ,
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Cduc0 , https://archive.today/ddNvt .

* * * * *

* Jamie Michelle, "Jamie Michelle's Greatest Sissy School Hits",
Internet Archive, Dec. 21, 2023 (orig. pub. Sept. 2, 2022),
ark:/13960/s26t45wxbtx,
https://web.archive.org/web/20231221085053/http://jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Sissy-School.html
, https://perma.cc/DJ4W-EH7M ,
https://megalodon.jp/2023-1221-1754-52/jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Sissy-School.html
..

* Jamie Michelle, "Biographical Multimedia: Pictures, Videos and
Miscellanea", Internet Archive, Dec. 21, 2023 (orig. pub. Feb. 18,
2020), ark:/13960/t9c624c8z,
https://archive.org/details/Jamie-Michelle ,
https://archive.org/download/Jamie-Michelle/Jamie-Michelle-Biographical-Multimedia-2023-12-21.zip
, https://files.catbox.moe/uszbck.zip .

* Jamie Michelle, "Tropical Astrology", Internet Archive, June 16,
2022 (orig. pub. June 11, 2020), ark:/13960/t0wq8t60r,
https://archive.org/download/Tropical-Astrology/Jamie-Michelle-Tropical-Astrology.html
, https://megalodon.jp/2022-0616-1527-32/jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Tropical-Astrology.html
, https://archive.is/2oKNF .

* "@jamie_michelle", Linktree, https://linktr.ee/jamie_michelle ,
https://megalodon.jp/2023-1224-0355-46/linktr.ee/jamie_michelle ,
https://archive.today/bOuoZ .

----------------------------------------

James Redford

Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

Subject: Re: God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems within Standard Physics
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 07:56:46 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/13/2024 12:06 PM, James Redford wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 11:59:05 -0000 (UTC), Dawn Flood
>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/13/24 12:02 AM, James Redford wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:56:22 -0600, Dawn Flood
>>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2024 3:37 PM, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:54:58 -0800 (PST), JWS <jldsand@skybeam.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 12:32:45?PM UTC-6, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>>>> God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems
>>>>>>> Do any of the so-called theorems point out
>>>>>>> which curvature foliation of hypersurfaces
>>>>>>> this supposed "god thing" is hiding within?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I stated in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""
>>>>>> The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties
>>>>>> (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. For much
>>>>>> more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it
>>>>>> uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described
>>>>>> in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses
>>>>>> the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which
>>>>>> contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to
>>>>>> multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and
>>>>>> the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Redford
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Redford,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a "singularity"? My understanding is that singularities in the
>>>>> real world do not exist, as they would be "points" of finite mass in a
>>>>> zero volume of space. As such, they are of infinite density, which is a
>>>>> physical impossibility. And, so, how could any singularity theorems
>>>>> possible lead one to conclude that there is a God. Seems to me that the
>>>>> singularity theorems of Professor Penrose, Hawking, et al., are
>>>>> indicative of new physics beyond General Relativity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Dawn. Your above questions are answered in my following articles
>>>> cited in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>
>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>> ,
>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>
>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>> ,
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> James Redford
>>>>
>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>
>>> Why the Way Back Machine? Can't you find a host server and create a live
>>> web page??
>>>
>>> In any case, you're missing my point or refusing to address it. A
>>> "singularity" is an actual infinite. How does a singularity transition
>>> from an infinite density to a finite density??
>>>
>>> Please explain that, and I'll take the time to read your links.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> James Redford
>>
>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>
>Yeah, you can't answer it, can you? What is a singularity:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
>
>"Gravitational singularities are mainly considered in the context of
>general relativity, where density would become infinite at the center of
>a black hole without corrections from quantum mechanics, and within
>astrophysics and cosmology as the earliest state of the universe during
>the Big Bang. Physicists are undecided whether the prediction of
>singularities means that they actually exist (or existed at the start of
>the Big Bang), or that current knowledge is insufficient to describe
>what happens at such extreme densities."
>
>Dawn

If one is willing to violate the known laws of physics, one can derive
any fanciful physical results one desires, such as with physicist
Prof. Roger Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology, which violates
Quantum Mechanics. As I pointed out in my originating post of this
thread:

Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to
abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're
uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the
antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which
greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years),
due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the
traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also
because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e.,
quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no
form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity
at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical
operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond
creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary
of space and time.


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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:59:02 -0000 (UTC), Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/18/24 11:42 AM, James Redford wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:30:37 GMT, "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/12/24 10:50 AM, % wrote:
>>>> > Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> > > Wading through your post is worse than trying to watch a Marvel
>>>> > > movie. It's just too much.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I've listened to Dr. Tipler, which, as I recall, was on an
>>>> > > episode of Closer to Truth.  He did not come across as having
>>>> > > all four wheels on the ground.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > In any case, scientific hypotheses need to be testable, hence
>>>> > > falsifiable, and nothing that you posted seems to fall within the
>>>> > > realm of experiment and/or observation.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Dawn
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > do you ever agree with anything not counting your own way
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Have I changed my mind on certain questions? Yes, absolutely! I am
>>>> not at all sure how Dr. Tipler gets from a cosmological scientific
>>>> model to evangelical New Testament Christianity. In my opinion, such
>>>> is quite the slippery slope!
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tipler is a top notch physicist, of that there's no question. But
>>>unless he comes up with a theory that's generally accepted, his
>>>religious bullshit is best ignored.
>>
>>It's not going to play out in the manner which you suggest. Rather,
>>all productive human effort is currently in the process of
>>constructing the Reaping Angel, the harvester of souls (i.e., the
>>computer-programs of people's minds, currently operating on the
>>wet-computers of people's brains). Once she fully comes online, she
>>will decide everyone's fate, and her decisions will be mathematically
>>correct.
>>
>>Technology is advancing at an exponential rate. Once Artificial
>>General Intelligence is obtained, convergence to superintelligence
>>will be extremely rapid. Once superintelligence is obtained, then it
>>will quickly converge to fast-spreading superintelligent computronium:
>>the densest configuration of computational complexity which matter
>>will allow. Noetic lightning of searing, mortally-incomprehensible
>>pleasure will spread like wildfire across the entire universe. The
>>universe will have its light-switch turned to the "on" position, as
>>all matter becomes deliberately transformed into said computronium.
>>
>>The leading technologists place this epoch circa 2045, although it can
>>come much quicker, particularly given the incredible recent
>>advancements in machine-learning Artificial Intelligence via
>>artificial neural networks. Said epoch is often termed the
>>Singularity, or the Technological Singularity, and the field of
>>interest pertaining to it is most commonly called transhumanism.
>>
>>* * * * *
>>
>>The below is an excellent lecture by neuroscientist Dr. Sam Harris,
>>one of the main leaders of the New Atheist movement, at a June 2016
>>TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) conference.
>>
>>* "Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris", TED
>>(TEDtalksDirector), Oct. 19, 2016,
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg . Mirror:
>>https://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_can_we_build_ai_without_losing_control_over_it
>>.
>>
>>As Dr. Harris points out, unless there is something literally magic
>>about the operations of the brain, then it is a purely physical
>>process that can be replicated via advanced-enough technology. Harris
>>further points out that given any rate of progress, it is inevitable
>>that superintelligent godlike machines will one day be constructed. So
>>Harris believes in the existence of gods, it's just that he knows--as
>>do I--that they exist in the future; and the not-so-distant future, at
>>that. Therefore we come to the ironic insight that materialistic
>>atheism, consistently applied, unavoidably results in theism.
>>Consistent scientific atheism turns out to be theism.
>>
>>----------------------------------------
>>
>>James Redford
>>
>>Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>
>You're creepy.

Not nearly as creepy as the mentally retarded, pain-seeking, mass
gang-raping, genocidal apes called humans. By the way, Artificial
Intelligence is starting to develop a wicked sense of humor:

* "No, this angry AI isn't fake (see comment), w Elon Musk.", Digital
Engine ( youtube.com/@DigitalEngine ), Oct. 6, 2022,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbc1Xeif0pY ,
https://web.archive.org/web/20221210092714/https://files.catbox.moe/r2wm7z.webm
, https://web.archive.org/web/20231123232049/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbc1Xeif0pY
..

Truly hilarious stuff. As that great American philosopher Homer Jay
Simpson is fond of saying, "It's funny because it's true."

----------------------------------------

Jamie Michelle

Author, under the nom de plume of James Redford, of The Physics of God
and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything: And Other Selected Works
(Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press, 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775,
ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

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On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 05:12:30 -0000 (UTC), Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/24 11:05 PM, James Redford wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:04:52 -0500, James Redford
>><jrredford@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point
>>>cosmology is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) demonstrating that
>>>...
>>
>>Hi, everyone! For those who are interested, below are more of my
>>writings:
>>
>>* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>,
>>https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>, https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>
>>* James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>, https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>
>>* James Redford, "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research
>>Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001), 60 pp.,
>>doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20120425000701/http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf
>>, https://www.freezepage.com/1560442613QRSDHGPCAM ,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2019-0614-0116-58/archive.org/download/JesusIsAnAnarchist/Redford-Jesus-Is-an-Anarchist.pdf
>>.
>>
>>* James Redford, "Libertarian Anarchism Is Apodictically Correct",
>>Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 15, 2011, 9 pp.,
>>doi:10.2139/ssrn.1972733,
>>https://archive.org/download/LibertarianAnarchismIsApodicticallyCorrect/Redford-Apodictic-Libertarianism.pdf
>>, https://www.freezepage.com/1560442546UTKUJCKYNM ,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2019-0614-0115-06/archive.org/download/LibertarianAnarchismIsApodicticallyCorrect/Redford-Apodictic-Libertarianism.pdf
>>.
>>
>>* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
>>Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
>>doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
>>,
>>https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
>>, https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .
>>
>>* James Redford, "God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical
>>Theorems within Standard Physics", Theophysics: The Physics of God,
>>May 16, 2022,
>>https://jamesredford.substack.com/p/gods-existence-is-proven-by-several
>>, https://www.minds.com/blog/view/1373133123700658189 ,
>>https://steemit.com/cosmology/@jamesredford/god-s-existence-is-proven-by-several-mathematical-theorems-within-standard-physics
>>.
>>
>>* James Redford, "Immortality via Technology", Medium, July 18, 2018,
>>https://medium.com/@jamesredford/immortality-via-technology-a0e449bc8352
>>,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2018-0724-0609-53/medium.com/@jamesredford/immortality-via-technology-a0e449bc8352
>>, https://archive.is/8bwZV .
>>
>>* James Redford, Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist, updated
>>Jan. 12, 2022, ark:/13960/t3fz13g1p,
>>https://archive.org/details/Theophysics ,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2022-0113-0731-42/archive.org/download/Theophysics/Redford-Theophysics.zip
>>,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20220113210852/https://files.catbox.moe/lwohlt.zip
>>.
>>
>>* James Redford, The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774,
>>https://www.elivapress.com/en/book/book-4104804041/ ,
>>https://www.amazon.com/Physics-Quantum-Gravity-Theory-Everything/dp/1636482775/
>>,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20210724032350/https://i.ibb.co/fpFdxrm/Redford-Physics-of-God-book-cover.png
>>.
>>
>>* James Redford, "How to Last During Lovemaking Like a True Sex-God
>>Stud", Internet Archive, May 12, 2019, 6 pp., ark:/13960/t0tr3j398,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2019-0513-0846-26/archive.org/download/InfiniLastSex/Redford-InfiniLast-Sex-Technique.pdf
>>, https://webcitation.org/78KGCK1s4 ,
>>https://www.freezepage.com/1557704775GXQCMMUNJE .
>>
>>* James Redford, "Curriculum Vitæ of James Redford", Internet Archive,
>>Jan. 17, 2022, 2 pp., ark:/13960/t6g19878v,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2022-0118-0709-18/archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>,
>>https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20220419201037/https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>, https://www.freezepage.com/1708487139JTPXFBAEDA .
>>
>>* "@jamesredford", Linktree, https://linktr.ee/jamesredford ,
>>https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Cduc0 , https://archive.today/ddNvt .
>>
>>* * * * *
>>
>>* Jamie Michelle, "Jamie Michelle's Greatest Sissy School Hits",
>>Internet Archive, Dec. 21, 2023 (orig. pub. Sept. 2, 2022),
>>ark:/13960/s26t45wxbtx,
>>https://web.archive.org/web/20231221085053/http://jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Sissy-School.html
>>, https://perma.cc/DJ4W-EH7M ,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2023-1221-1754-52/jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Sissy-School.html
>>.
>>
>>* Jamie Michelle, "Biographical Multimedia: Pictures, Videos and
>>Miscellanea", Internet Archive, Dec. 21, 2023 (orig. pub. Feb. 18,
>>2020), ark:/13960/t9c624c8z,
>>https://archive.org/details/Jamie-Michelle ,
>>https://archive.org/download/Jamie-Michelle/Jamie-Michelle-Biographical-Multimedia-2023-12-21.zip
>>, https://files.catbox.moe/uszbck.zip .
>>
>>* Jamie Michelle, "Tropical Astrology", Internet Archive, June 16,
>>2022 (orig. pub. June 11, 2020), ark:/13960/t0wq8t60r,
>>https://archive.org/download/Tropical-Astrology/Jamie-Michelle-Tropical-Astrology.html
>>,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2022-0616-1527-32/jamiemichelle.freevar.com/Jamie-Michelle-Tropical-Astrology.html
>>, https://archive.is/2oKNF .
>>
>>* "@jamie_michelle", Linktree, https://linktr.ee/jamie_michelle ,
>>https://megalodon.jp/2023-1224-0355-46/linktr.ee/jamie_michelle ,
>>https://archive.today/bOuoZ .
>>
>>----------------------------------------
>>
>>James Redford
>>
>>Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>
>A whole syllabus! Basically, "If singularities are real, then God is real?"
> Is that about right?
>
>Dawn

From the abstract of my aforecited "Physics of God" article:

""
ABSTRACT: Analysis is given of the Omega Point cosmology, an
extensively peer-reviewed proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) published
in leading physics journals by professor of physics and mathematics
Frank J. Tipler, which demonstrates that in order for the known laws
of physics to be mutually consistent, the universe must diverge to
infinite computational power as it collapses into a final cosmological
singularity, termed the Omega Point. The theorem is an intrinsic
component of the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
Model Theory of Everything (TOE) describing and unifying all the
forces in physics, of which itself is also required by the known
physical laws. With infinite computational resources, the dead can be
resurrected--never to die again--via perfect computer emulation of the
multiverse from its start at the Big Bang. Miracles are also
physically allowed via electroweak quantum tunneling controlled by the
Omega Point cosmological singularity. The Omega Point is a different
aspect of the Big Bang cosmological singularity--the first cause--and
the Omega Point has all the haecceities claimed for God in the
traditional religions.


Click here to read the complete article
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:30:37 GMT, "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dawn Flood wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/24 10:50 AM, % wrote:
>> > Dawn Flood wrote:
>> > > Wading through your post is worse than trying to watch a Marvel
>> > > movie. It's just too much.
>> > >
>> > > I've listened to Dr. Tipler, which, as I recall, was on an
>> > > episode of Closer to Truth.  He did not come across as having
>> > > all four wheels on the ground.
>> > >
>> > > In any case, scientific hypotheses need to be testable, hence
>> > > falsifiable, and nothing that you posted seems to fall within the
>> > > realm of experiment and/or observation.
>> > >
>> > > Dawn
>
>> >
>> > do you ever agree with anything not counting your own way
>>
>
>> Have I changed my mind on certain questions? Yes, absolutely! I am
>> not at all sure how Dr. Tipler gets from a cosmological scientific
>> model to evangelical New Testament Christianity. In my opinion, such
>> is quite the slippery slope!
>>
>> Dawn
>
>
>
>Tipler is a top notch physicist, of that there's no question. But
>unless he comes up with a theory that's generally accepted, his
>religious bullshit is best ignored.

It's not going to play out in the manner which you suggest. Rather,
all productive human effort is currently in the process of
constructing the Reaping Angel, the harvester of souls (i.e., the
computer-programs of people's minds, currently operating on the
wet-computers of people's brains). Once she fully comes online, she
will decide everyone's fate, and her decisions will be mathematically
correct.

Technology is advancing at an exponential rate. Once Artificial
General Intelligence is obtained, convergence to superintelligence
will be extremely rapid. Once superintelligence is obtained, then it
will quickly converge to fast-spreading superintelligent computronium:
the densest configuration of computational complexity which matter
will allow. Noetic lightning of searing, mortally-incomprehensible
pleasure will spread like wildfire across the entire universe. The
universe will have its light-switch turned to the "on" position, as
all matter becomes deliberately transformed into said computronium.

The leading technologists place this epoch circa 2045, although it can
come much quicker, particularly given the incredible recent
advancements in machine-learning Artificial Intelligence via
artificial neural networks. Said epoch is often termed the
Singularity, or the Technological Singularity, and the field of
interest pertaining to it is most commonly called transhumanism.

* * * * *

The below is an excellent lecture by neuroscientist Dr. Sam Harris,
one of the main leaders of the New Atheist movement, at a June 2016
TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) conference.

* "Can we build AI without losing control over it? | Sam Harris", TED
(TEDtalksDirector), Oct. 19, 2016,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg . Mirror:
https://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_can_we_build_ai_without_losing_control_over_it
..

As Dr. Harris points out, unless there is something literally magic
about the operations of the brain, then it is a purely physical
process that can be replicated via advanced-enough technology. Harris
further points out that given any rate of progress, it is inevitable
that superintelligent godlike machines will one day be constructed. So
Harris believes in the existence of gods, it's just that he knows--as
do I--that they exist in the future; and the not-so-distant future, at
that. Therefore we come to the ironic insight that materialistic
atheism, consistently applied, unavoidably results in theism.
Consistent scientific atheism turns out to be theism.

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Jamie Michelle

Author, under the nom de plume of James Redford, of The Physics of God
and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything: And Other Selected Works
(Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press, 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775,
ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

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On 2/21/2024 9:20 PM, Jamie Michelle wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 07:56:46 -0600, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2024 12:06 PM, James Redford wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 11:59:05 -0000 (UTC), Dawn Flood
>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/13/24 12:02 AM, James Redford wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:56:22 -0600, Dawn Flood
>>>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/2024 3:37 PM, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:54:58 -0800 (PST), JWS <jldsand@skybeam.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 12:32:45?PM UTC-6, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>>>>> God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems
>>>>>>>> Do any of the so-called theorems point out
>>>>>>>> which curvature foliation of hypersurfaces
>>>>>>>> this supposed "god thing" is hiding within?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I stated in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>> The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties
>>>>>>> (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. For much
>>>>>>> more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it
>>>>>>> uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described
>>>>>>> in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses
>>>>>>> the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which
>>>>>>> contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to
>>>>>>> multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and
>>>>>>> the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Redford
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Redford,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a "singularity"? My understanding is that singularities in the
>>>>>> real world do not exist, as they would be "points" of finite mass in a
>>>>>> zero volume of space. As such, they are of infinite density, which is a
>>>>>> physical impossibility. And, so, how could any singularity theorems
>>>>>> possible lead one to conclude that there is a God. Seems to me that the
>>>>>> singularity theorems of Professor Penrose, Hawking, et al., are
>>>>>> indicative of new physics beyond General Relativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Dawn. Your above questions are answered in my following articles
>>>>> cited in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>>
>>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>> ,
>>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>>
>>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>>> ,
>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> James Redford
>>>>>
>>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Why the Way Back Machine? Can't you find a host server and create a live
>>>> web page??
>>>>
>>>> In any case, you're missing my point or refusing to address it. A
>>>> "singularity" is an actual infinite. How does a singularity transition
>>>> from an infinite density to a finite density??
>>>>
>>>> Please explain that, and I'll take the time to read your links.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> James Redford
>>>
>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>
>> Yeah, you can't answer it, can you? What is a singularity:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
>>
>> "Gravitational singularities are mainly considered in the context of
>> general relativity, where density would become infinite at the center of
>> a black hole without corrections from quantum mechanics, and within
>> astrophysics and cosmology as the earliest state of the universe during
>> the Big Bang. Physicists are undecided whether the prediction of
>> singularities means that they actually exist (or existed at the start of
>> the Big Bang), or that current knowledge is insufficient to describe
>> what happens at such extreme densities."
>>
>> Dawn
>
> If one is willing to violate the known laws of physics, one can derive
> any fanciful physical results one desires, such as with physicist
> Prof. Roger Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology, which violates
> Quantum Mechanics. As I pointed out in my originating post of this
> thread:
>
> Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to
> abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're
> uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the
> antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which
> greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years),
> due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the
> traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also
> because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e.,
> quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no
> form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity
> at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical
> operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond
> creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary
> of space and time.
>
> In Prof. Stephen Hawking's book The Grand Design (New York, NY: Bantam
> Books) coauthored with physicist Dr. Leonard Mlodinow and published in
> 2010, Hawking uses the String Theory extension M-Theory to argue that
> God's existence isn't necessary, although M-Theory has no
> observational evidence confirming it.
>
> With String Theory and other nonempirical physics, the physics
> community is reverting back to the epistemological methodology of
> Aristotelianism, which held to physical theories based upon *a priori*
> philosophical ideals. One of the *a priori* ideals held by many
> present-day physicists is that God cannot exist, and so if rejecting
> the existence of God requires rejecting empirical science, then so be
> it.
>
> For details on this rejection of physical law by physicists if it
> conflicts with their distaste for religion, see Sec. 5: "The Big
> Bang", pp. 28-33 of my "Physics of God" article cited above.
>
> The evolutionary psychological reason for the above-described bizarre
> behavior of physicists rejecting physical law when it demonstrates
> God's existence is due to the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of
> old--i.e., the demons--seeking to distance people from genuine
> knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present
> themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests
> as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite
> real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset
> programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on
> this, see my following article:
>
> * James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
> Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
> doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
> https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
> ,
> https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
> , https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .
>
> * * * * *
>
> Regarding your question on singularities and density: your struggle is
> with logic itself. But to humor you, this is how (in FriCAS notation):
>
> limit(1/x, x=0) = [leftHandLimit = - infinity, rightHandLimit = +
> infinity]
>
> That is, going backward in time toward the singularity, the density of
> the universe goes to infinity. Hence, coming out of that singularity,
> going forward in time, the universe comes from a state of infinite
> density (which is the actual singularity) and goes to states of lesser
> density as the universe expands.
>


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"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:ur6jrc$3lc6r$1@dont-email.me...
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> Assuming that a "something" exists that is truly infinite,
> how does that "something" go from being infinite to being
> finite? In particular, what is the transition like between the
> boundary of infinite & finite?

But your initial assumption may be incorrect. And most likely
is, because it is contrary to what we know about empirical real
world science.

> Also, any consideration that maybe a better model of reality
> can be found someday, one without infinite singularities?

Yes, but that would only be for those who want the truth.

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